Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-ambassadors (132 mails)

[Kostas Koudaras <warlordfff@xxxxxxxxx>]

2011/7/27 Jos Poortvliet <jos@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> On 2011-07-25 Kim wrote:
> > Am 25.07.2011 21:45, schrieb Sebastian Oliva:
> > > I am worried though about the contrary, the effects of this on the
> > > rest of the FOSS community. At least in my region, we got some flak
> > > from the previous deals, and I feel this one will not be an
> > > exception.
> >
> > yeah, this is one of the main problem. From the corporate point of
> > view it´s kinda great to have such deal, but the community point of
> > view is much much worse.
>
> Well a few tin-foil-hats still complain but let's be real. This deal is
> an extension (the second) of a deal which was started 5 years ago.
> Everyone screamed blood and murder and has the sky fallen due to this
> deal? No, it has not. Nothing bad happened*. So I say - business as
> usual, boring, nothing to see here. It's a corporate thing, let SUSE do
> their thing...
>
>
> > I sometimes post to an Linux-forum and sometimes talk about the
> > patent-deal. That the other members call me and SUSE "idiots and
> > traitors on open source and the FLOSS-community" is normal.
>
> See * - they are hypocrites or just don't know what they talk about.
>
> > I´m really disappointed about that :-(
>
>
> *sure things did happen... Those complainy people DO enjoy the benefits
> of the SUSE-Microsoft deal every time their Libre/OpenOffice reads a doc
> or docx file, every time they hang their laptop in a windows network,
> run linux on HyperV or Windows in a VM under linux etc etc. Even if they
> use Fedora or Ubuntu or another distro. Because none of this code is a
> fork of anything else; none of this code is under a CLA; and all this
> code is actively contributed back to Free Software projects. Through
> SUSE, it seems to me, MS is a better FOSS citizen than some large linux
> distributions themselves...
>
> Not to say I believe MS does this out of their good heart. It's a
> business which needs to make money. And because of that sometimes does
> stupid and evil stuff. Just like Canonical, Red Hat and SUSE. You
> shouldn't believe the PR - a company has no morals. People do.
>
> We just have the luck to have companies who make money on doing the
> right thing, like SUSE and Red Hat.


I really want to blog about it but I don't know were to start, also I
have no problem call hypocrites hypocrites, especially when most of
the people defending Free Software and blame Bad MS carry an Apple
iSomething with them, but this could raise a flame war. I once spoke
about it in a conference when I was asked about that and I raised
hell. For some reason people believe that ideologically Apple is
closer to Linux than MS, I really don't get that, I strongly believe
the opposite, anyway, to much negative energy. As I said before, many
people of Free Software when it comes to thinking are working with
Proprietary Software in their minds.

Kostas

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