Home | Content | Search | Navigation | Indexes
 

Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-ambassadors (190 mails)

< Previous Next >
Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] Novell sponsored training for Ambassadors?
2011/5/16 Chuck Payne <terrorpup@xxxxxxxxx>:
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Kostas Koudaras <warlordfff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I don't believe that ambassadors actually need something like an LPI
degree, Ambassadors are mainly marketing, Talking to people about
openSUSE and act like an openSUSE evangelists.
How a degree like that will actually help someone do that?
I am talking from myself now but I don't see any use of that to an
ambassador, a degree in PR would be much more useful I think ;-)
It does not harm but it is hardly crucial to an ambassador, under my opinion.

2011/5/14 Chuck Payne <terrorpup@xxxxxxxxx>:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 05/13/2011 10:26 PM, jdd wrote:

Le 14/05/2011 01:12, Roger Luedecke a écrit :

Precisely my thought.

if so, they will need this:

http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005283

:-)
jdd

I believe Novell has their own training materials. Microsoft was
distributing a very good C++ book for a while through MSDN, no doubt Novell
could work out a similar deal if need be.
--
To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxx
For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@xxxxxxxxxxxx



Novell/Attachment I believe will not train us. After my many dealing
with the Novell Sale Engineer. Many don't like the fact that we are
going out there. I had a few ask why I was at a fest and not some SE.
Plus, I don't think Novell/Attachment would train the Ambassador
unless they could get money back.

 Guys remember the Ambassador program a volunteer program.

I agree training would be nice. But, I think we need not look at
Novell/Attachment but to our community. I am System Administrator with
15 years on me. I done one training class for an event. I am looking
to see what it would take to set up such classes online, but until I
get settle in my new job, I don't have time. But I do want to do that,
I love to make the openSUSE Day a thing we could do at fest.

The Welcome Team is suppose to mentor and well other ambassadors.

'suppose' ? Does anyone has a problem with the mentoring we are doing?
Does anyone disagrees that we are doing mentoring?

 We
were talk about having a mentor program too, but it was agree that the
Welcome Team would mentor or try to find people to mentor.

The mentoring program idea was also turned down from you too, although
I had talk to you about it personally and you accepted at first and
then you left me alone with the mentoring idea, and that was the
reason that fell on to the welcome teams duties, am I wrong?
Does all that undermining to our work from you Chuck has a bottom
line? If it is please let me know.
If you have a problem with the work we are doing why you haven't spoke
to us so far and you are doing it now?
We are suppose to be friends here and having fun, not doing politics :-(



So Roger,
if you want or need help, please ask. That goes for all.




Let do this.  On this mailing list. Please everyone that is an
Ambassador, write down that you like to be train on. I will take that
information redo it so that we can put together a list of things you
guys feell ambassador need training. Then we will start working on
training. Putting things on the wiki, maybe creating PDF or e-books
you can carry with you.

Novell/Attachment and soon to be SUSE are our sponsors, but we as a
community need take care of each other. Lets teach each other so we
can grow as a community. We have the great group people and I think we
can do this.


Pup

--
(678) 636-9678
-----------------------------------------
Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux.
-----------------------------------------
openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup
openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member
skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup
freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein
Register Linux Userid: 155363

Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD,  an app you want
to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE
Studio a try. www.susestudio.com.
--
To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxx
For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@xxxxxxxxxxxx



Kostas Koudaras


--
http://opensuse.gr
http://amb.opensuse.gr
http://own.opensuse.gr
http://warlordfff.tk
me I am not me
-------
Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens


Kostas,

I am not making any thing politically. Before everyone goes off half
cock like they tend to do let me state what I am trying to say.

At one point the welcoming team was suppose to ask new ambassadors to
work with a mentor. This was agree upon, unless something happen while
I was away. The mentors were suppose to be from the same area of the
world to help.  Beside sending an e-mail welcome,

I find that a second
e-mail should be since to a ambassador stating that Joe is now a new
ambassador can you please mentor them.

If he asks for mentoring yes.

What I am perposing is to get a list of things that would help the
ambassadors and users a like. A training courses, that can help
everyone and I am hoping we can get members of the community to help
write this. I am not wanting to change the Ambassador program. Is that
clear? What I am wanting to do get a list of things ambassadors to
start with, that would like to learn so they can better help people.
We can offer these course to everyone once we get them into place.
This is a big marketing and a big plus for us as a community and as
ambassador. I am offer to start this because I been a teacher. I like
to ask people like JDD an other who experience (Bruno, who artilce on
lizard.opensuse.com)  to help on this.  I got a lot good response from
doing the classes at SCALE, it would be great to state we have e-books
and online classes to help grown the openSUSE experience.


I think you are missing a very important detail, or I got something wrong here.

After we finish with the work on making someone ambassador we
introduce him to the community by an e-mail on that list.
People are welcoming new ambassadors and almost all of those people
offer help if the new ambassador needs some.
The next step that usually happens is the new ambassador to ask for
some help/mentoring from someone, at least to me that happened many
times.
Those ambassadors who never asked for some kind of help means that the
do not need some since they believe they can make it. Right or wrong,
we cannot force someone to get help if he/she things that he/she does
not need help.

We have several wiki pages that contain many information, helpful
advises, tools and even ready to make presentations that can help
ambassadors to improve, maybe not enough but there are there, and
he/she who needs help if for some reason does not want to get mentored
or even help people that are doing mentoring work can use them to pass
information to those who mentor (I know I do).
If you think you have more things that can help ambassadors why you
don't add them to those pages?
It is a free project so do whatever you want but try to keep things
simple and do not put people to more procedures, not many people have
the time to attend online classes or read e-books.
We do all that to have fun not to read endless documentation and
getting to more and more procedures.




We need to get pass the handing out DVD, that great to get the
software into peoples hands, but as an ambassador we are marketing,
sales, and tech support for those that we interact with. So if
ambassador like Roger wants help. Let get him help, be it training.
Then Roger, once he gets it can tell others, that you know my
community gave me help, here are the ebooks and links that help me,
and you are welcome to use them.

That is why I asked, again I am ask. What do people want to get trained on?

And I ask back,people want to get trained on or simply get out there
and spread the word that we have a great project?
How they do that? By using their personality that is the greatest
thing in this community. Various different strong personalities.
They are free to ask anything they want to anyone here as I(and not
only) already said a lot of times to all.




As for me, yes you asked, and if you remember, I clearly said, I
didn't want to be a mentor because at that time, we had someone that
would reject me. And after you ask and I thought about it, I said yes,
and what happen. It because a big mess because no one wanted me.

No one? Really? Is that my new name?
Now do I read what ever I want, as you say or you forget really quick?
Beyond that, it is a free project and if most people does not think
you are the right for a job, you have to do it their way.


So I
turned it down. Now, I been ask to help on a group that at one point I
thought member of, only later to find out I was that other member got
it.

I have a list of things I am to do and will. I want to get a podcast
up running. nother of my goals this year to to set up a training
program for openSUSE ( This top of my list).  I have a baby coming,
next year I won't be able to travel, so do what I can online and of
the community.  I am still want to promote as a good ambassador should
do. I can say that I am working with a site to see if I can start
writing for them on openSUSE.

I have to give Jos (No Jos, I am not wanting your job/ or trying to
talk bad) credit because one thing he been doing that I think is so
great is getting everyone to writing about feature within product, but
we need to work on teaching people to use our product as well.
Remember, teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a life time. By
training our community, we are giving them the tools to succeed

So it it clear? One thing that really bugs me about community, people
tend to read what they want.

I wanted to send an e-mail early about this but, my life been very
hard. Now that things seem to be getting better, I am going to push
forward with this.

Pup


--
(678) 636-9678
-----------------------------------------
Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux.
-----------------------------------------
openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup
openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member
skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup
freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein
Register Linux Userid: 155363

Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD,  an app you want
to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE
Studio a try. www.susestudio.com.


We all want the same thing here, there is no need to fight. Being a
part of a community often needs to leave our egoism back and try to do
the best we can.
I don't really want to fight with you, because I think you as a
friend, but I think that you are a bit confused and you don't see
things right at the moment.
Many people made many mistakes,either we try to explain them or we are
moving forward to make things better.
Have Fun
Kostas

--
http://opensuse.gr
http://amb.opensuse.gr
http://own.opensuse.gr
http://warlordfff.tk
me I am not me
-------
Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens
--
To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxx
For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@xxxxxxxxxxxx

< Previous Next >
Follow Ups