Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-ambassadors (190 mails)

[Chuck Payne <terrorpup@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko <suserocks@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> There are some inherent problems with this proposal, so I'll try to make
> it short and bullet point the issues:
>
> 1.  What you are proposing is to promote the SLE product line and its
> related certifications.  This isn't right as it is not who we are.  We
> are openSUSE not SLE.  They have their own well-paid marketing team to
> handle this.  To expect openSUSE Ambassadors to work for free promoting
> a product line that is not openSUSE is asking our ambassadors way too
> much.


No, what I am proposing is training everyone on how to use openSUSE,
just like I did for openSUSE day at SCALE.  Nothing to do with SLE.
So I want to that to be clear, it something that I thought would be
great to set up and offer to all, but use the ambassadors first.

> 2.  I don't see Novell agreeing to this because this is a *very*
> expensive proposition.  If you've been involved with Novell's training
> and certification program over the last 30 years as I have been, you'd
> know that this is not cheap to create and deliver.   The test exam is
> $400 per try.  (Or it was when I took it a while ago.)
>
> 3.  Novell's training partners would scream bloody murder that Novell
> would give away the farm by giving such free incentives to openSUSE for
> no direct benefit to other parties.  This is the livelihood of many
> certified Novell instructors and authorized education centers and to
> take away a main revenue stream like that...  it won't fly.  Authorized
> centers have already been complaining over the years that Novell gives
> away too much.  This would add insult to injury.
>
> 4.  As i stated in #1, this is not an openSUSE area.  And as such, while
> many of our community are interested in openSUSE and in SLE, not all
> are.  This is not an incentive that covers the full wide base of
> ambassador enticements.  I'm all for creating a nice incentive, but this
> isn't the one.   This would create an end-run for people who are looking
> for a free way to get certified and we would have to screen our
> ambassador program more carefully to ensure such ambassadors really are
> here to represent openSUSE and have earned such incentive.   That means
> increased management overhead on our part and we just don't have the
> time to deal with that.  I don't want to see an ambassador program where
> people sign up just so they can get free certiication and then disappear
> after that.  People should be ambassadors because they're passionate
> about openSUSE, not for the freebies.

I agree, we have the best group of passionate people. Again, what I am
wanting to do is a tool for the ambassadors to help, and to help our
community. I want to to be clear. I got a funny feeling that some see
me trying to step on people toes, which I am not. I want to set up a
training on things that people want to learn on openSUSE. I got a lot
good feedback. I think this would be something to add. A tool that is
all, since Roger point it out. I thought now would be a good time to
point this out. I had plan to do this before the death of my brother.
I am not wanting to take away from the ambassadors, or take a way any
ones power, or make things politically. So, please calm down. I like
to put together a list of things that people like to get training on
to help out. Ok. Is it clear? No need to set up a project, team or
group, but if anyone wants to help, you are welcome.

I have to point out one thing that been eating me this year, we talk
about having fun. But anything I talk about doing something, it
becomes an issues.  Sorry, I come off rough, but I really am getting
sick of trying to bring ideas to the table, only for some to freak
out, or to see it become an issue or others steal the idea. Again,
sorry, but I am a bit heated this morning.

> I'm concerned that we're losing the focus of what openSUSE means, within
> our ambassador program.   Chuck rightly points out some of the failings
> we are facing in an earlier posting on this thread.   I also had a
> discussion with some members of the welcoming team yesterday to try to
> reorganize the team approach so that openSUSE has a better understanding
> of what the Project means and represents.   The message is growing
> elsewhere in our community but seems to be failing within the ambassador
> program.
>
> Let's focus on that first before we start thinking about building up
> incentive porgrams.

Again, I am planning to take this on myself, any are welcome to join.
I don't want to change the Ambassador program. It something I  am
passion about and like to do. I think it will help all.  So again, the
training I am wanting to do is to see what people like to see on
training, try to put together a list work on it, so we can educate
all.  So is it clear, guys on the welcoming team, relax, not trying to
steal your thunder. Everyone, not trying to set up a new team. Just
like to do something that can help all of us out.

Pup

> Bryen M Yunashko
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