Another forward from a different mailing list about a topic we could need to discuss. In the YaST team we used to get the SUSE feature requests via Fate and now we get them via Jira. But on the openSUSE side, the old mechanism used for that (the public Fate instance at features.opensuse.org) was declared dead long time ago. As you can see below in the mail I'm forwarding, the official position of the project is: "In openSUSE we try to stay as close to upstream as possible as such it makes far more sense to request features upstream. In this case upstream YaST development. In other cases directly into KDE's Phab instance if that's their preferred way." So people asking for new YaST features are encouraged to do it whatever mechanism is used by "upstream YaST" for managing those request. But, what would be that? SUSE's Jira instance is not public. Should we encourage people to use Bugzilla also for feature requests? Or maybe opening an issue in any of our Github repositories? Cheers. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] YaST: highlights of development sprint 71 and 72 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 10:06:38 +1030 From: Simon Lees To: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org On 05/03/2019 00:08, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:

Dne pondělí 4. března 2019 14:24:28 CET, Richard Brown napsal(a):

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On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 13:56, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:

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That's a good question. I don't know. In openSUSE we still don't have a replacement for Fate.

Is openFATE officially dead? https://features.opensuse.org/

Yes, it has been for quite some time already (I don't have the announcements about it at hand, but they should be easily findable).

From https://features.opensuse.org/ Disclaimer: Dear visitor, please be advised that this page is outdated and dysfunctional in parts and will be discontinued. If you are interested in how to propose features for the openSUSE Project, then please join the according discussions on our mailinglists. For proposing new features in the openSUSE distributions, you can use the opensuse-factory mailinglist. For project-related topics, the opensuse-project mailinglist is a good place to start with. See also https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Openfate and links there

Given that across entire project, it was very rare for anyone to do anything based on an openFATE request, yes, the Board approved its removal.

IMHO, in such case, it should be removed, as on-line tool which is not working properly is confusing and not good mark of the project organization state.

This is on the Hero's todo list, I believe they plan to give a final warning soon so people have a chance to extract any data they care about and then it will be closed.

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So for topics like this, we'd recommend using this mailinglist, or maybe more specific lists when they exist (eg. opensuse-kubic@, yast-devel@, etc) for any discussions needed to refine a feature idea. And once an idea is accepted by someone to be implemented, the Board don't presume to recommend which tool(s) those contributors should use for tracking their own planned work. I'm a fan of post-it notes ;)

What I like(d) about the openFATE is that it is one central place where one could easily see everything (lists, tags, filtration, notifications, tracing, ...). In ML such topics are easily lost among other conversation and hard to find later. What's wrong about requiring something like openFATE to be used to trace features, their state, etc. (I know it only from user's perspective, not from developer's)? See e.g. https://phabricator.kde.org/

One of the problems is we have very few features that should be implemented in openSUSE itself, in openSUSE we try to stay as close to upstream as possible as such it makes far more sense to request features upstream, in this case upstream yast development, in other cases directly into kde's phab instance if that's there preferred way. For the things where openSUSE is the upstream we tend to keep the code in github and you can report an issue there. Cheers -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org