Some constructive criticisms on the Yast Installer & Welcome to openSUSE
Hello, Just helped a friend install TW and I noticed a few loose ends I wanted to let you know about (even though you probably know already :) https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/r.898c19591328fac0c800666595d91442 Have a great day! Adrien
On 2/9/21 3:41 PM, adrien.glauser@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Just helped a friend install TW and I noticed a few loose ends I wanted to let you know about (even though you probably know already :)
https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/r.898c19591328fac0c800666595d91442
Have a great day!
Regarding the installer part: thanks a lot, the feedback is very welcome. The partitioning proposal is indeed one of those parts that need to be revisited from the usability point of view. It's somehow a prototype idea that became the final one by lack of time, resources and good feedback. Regarding the "Welcome to openSUSE" part: this mailing list is likely not the right audience, since it's developed in a completely independent way compared to YaST (just in case you only sent it here). Cheers. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Software Solutions
Dear Ancor Gonzalez Sosa, Fair enough; let me know if you need more details or clarifications regarding my comments. Also I don't see many news regarding Yast development on the web platforms; don't hesitate to drop by from time to time -- I am pretty sure more people would interested in helping if Yast development was more visible! Best, Adrien Le 09/02/2021 à 16:32, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa a écrit :
On 2/9/21 3:41 PM, adrien.glauser@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Just helped a friend install TW and I noticed a few loose ends I wanted to let you know about (even though you probably know already :)
https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/r.898c19591328fac0c800666595d91442
Have a great day!
Regarding the installer part: thanks a lot, the feedback is very welcome. The partitioning proposal is indeed one of those parts that need to be revisited from the usability point of view. It's somehow a prototype idea that became the final one by lack of time, resources and good feedback.
Regarding the "Welcome to openSUSE" part: this mailing list is likely not the right audience, since it's developed in a completely independent way compared to YaST (just in case you only sent it here).
Cheers.
On 2/9/21 5:18 PM, Adrien Glauser wrote:
Dear Ancor Gonzalez Sosa,
Fair enough; let me know if you need more details or clarifications regarding my comments.
Also I don't see many news regarding Yast development on the web platforms; don't hesitate to drop by from time to time -- I am pretty sure more people would interested in helping if Yast development was more visible!
Fun that you mention that. Because we actually blog every two weeks (or even more often) as you can see here: https://yast.opensuse.org/blog/ And every time we publish a blog post, we announce it in the Factory mailing list and in the yast-devel one. But we are not in control of other official communication platforms of the openSUSE project.
Best,
Adrien
Cheers.
Le 09/02/2021 à 16:32, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa a écrit :
On 2/9/21 3:41 PM, adrien.glauser@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Just helped a friend install TW and I noticed a few loose ends I wanted to let you know about (even though you probably know already :)
https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/r.898c19591328fac0c800666595d91442
Have a great day!
Regarding the installer part: thanks a lot, the feedback is very welcome. The partitioning proposal is indeed one of those parts that need to be revisited from the usability point of view. It's somehow a prototype idea that became the final one by lack of time, resources and good feedback.
Regarding the "Welcome to openSUSE" part: this mailing list is likely not the right audience, since it's developed in a completely independent way compared to YaST (just in case you only sent it here).
Cheers.
-- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Software Solutions
On 2/10/21 9:50 AM, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
On 2/9/21 5:18 PM, Adrien Glauser wrote:
Dear Ancor Gonzalez Sosa,
Fair enough; let me know if you need more details or clarifications regarding my comments.
Also I don't see many news regarding Yast development on the web platforms; don't hesitate to drop by from time to time -- I am pretty sure more people would interested in helping if Yast development was more visible!
Fun that you mention that. Because we actually blog every two weeks (or even more often) as you can see here: https://yast.opensuse.org/blog/
And every time we publish a blog post, we announce it in the Factory mailing list and in the yast-devel one.
And our blog is also aggregated at https://planet.opensuse.org/ So basically I hope we have the mailing lists and the blog presence pretty well covered. I know focus of modern users has turned away from blogs and mailing lists (those are so '90s), but I also hope some information transfer from oldies channels to millennial ones done by those interested in spreading the openSUSE word. ;-) Cheers -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Software Solutions
Oh my bad Ancor for not recognizing this! In fact I had in mind https://news.opensuse.org/, which unfortunately does not feature Yast blog posts. (Quick remark: I had to dig up your feed.xml from my browser's dev tools; it does not appear to be clearly linked to from the blog home page.) I know the plethora of channels we currently have does not help with fragmentation. In the case of Yast, you will get nothing from it if: - you're not receiving posts from yast-devel or factory; and - you have discovered your blog's web feed; and - you are not manually checking out the blog. I worry that meeting these conditions is very easy; for example, I am not receiving posts from yast-devel or factory to avoid swimming in emails, even though I am subscribed to them so as to casually browse their contents in my browser. What saves the day is indeed planet.opensuse.org, but the only footprint that this webfeed has on thos not already subscribed to it is a Discord echo: https://imgur.com/a/BdRB6Vz. As you can see, there is no per-category filtering and I worry many users won't really pay attention to it because of that. So yeah, I think you'd reach out to more people if you used news.opensuse.org and had the web feed more discoverable. :) Le 10/02/2021 à 10:02, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa a écrit :
On 2/10/21 9:50 AM, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
On 2/9/21 5:18 PM, Adrien Glauser wrote:
Dear Ancor Gonzalez Sosa,
Fair enough; let me know if you need more details or clarifications regarding my comments.
Also I don't see many news regarding Yast development on the web platforms; don't hesitate to drop by from time to time -- I am pretty sure more people would interested in helping if Yast development was more visible!
Fun that you mention that. Because we actually blog every two weeks (or even more often) as you can see here: https://yast.opensuse.org/blog/
And every time we publish a blog post, we announce it in the Factory mailing list and in the yast-devel one.
And our blog is also aggregated at https://planet.opensuse.org/
So basically I hope we have the mailing lists and the blog presence pretty well covered. I know focus of modern users has turned away from blogs and mailing lists (those are so '90s), but I also hope some information transfer from oldies channels to millennial ones done by those interested in spreading the openSUSE word. ;-)
Cheers
On 2/10/21 10:38 AM, Adrien Glauser wrote:
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So yeah, I think you'd reach out to more people if you used news.opensuse.org and had the web feed more discoverable. :)
We are open to active contributions on those, and also to any other kind of help in marketing-related tasks. ;-) Cheers.
Le 10/02/2021 à 10:02, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa a écrit :
On 2/10/21 9:50 AM, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
On 2/9/21 5:18 PM, Adrien Glauser wrote:
Dear Ancor Gonzalez Sosa,
Fair enough; let me know if you need more details or clarifications regarding my comments.
Also I don't see many news regarding Yast development on the web platforms; don't hesitate to drop by from time to time -- I am pretty sure more people would interested in helping if Yast development was more visible!
Fun that you mention that. Because we actually blog every two weeks (or even more often) as you can see here: https://yast.opensuse.org/blog/
And every time we publish a blog post, we announce it in the Factory mailing list and in the yast-devel one.
And our blog is also aggregated at https://planet.opensuse.org/
So basically I hope we have the mailing lists and the blog presence pretty well covered. I know focus of modern users has turned away from blogs and mailing lists (those are so '90s), but I also hope some information transfer from oldies channels to millennial ones done by those interested in spreading the openSUSE word. ;-)
Cheers
-- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Software Solutions
On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 15:41:02 +0100 adrien.glauser@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Just helped a friend install TW and I noticed a few loose ends I wanted to let you know about (even though you probably know already :)
https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/r.898c19591328fac0c800666595d91442
Have a great day!
Adrien
Thanks for feedback, lets discuss it here (adding you to CC as I am not sure if you are subscribed): ## Yast Installer * throughout the Yast installer, 'go back' rarely means 'go back to the previous screen'; instead it often means 'cancel and go to previous screen' (your current view's state will be lost); * notice that this behavior applies to defaults; so for example going back and returning to _List Of Online Repos_ means you will get 0 box ticked when you return yep, this is annoying behavior and I think quite related to thoughts we have that maybe instead of wizard simple summary with possible to configure what is needed will be better. * _Suggested Partitioning (default) > Guided Setup : Back_ is clickable, but does nothing (it does something from the screens corresponding to the two options in the _Expert Partitioner_ selector) * Still on the same view, _Suggested Partitioning_, there is no longer an _Abort_ button; instead there is now a _Cancel_ button * this problem of consistency in how buttons are labeled is reinforced by the fact that the user won't know for sure what the button does, because there is not path string showing that the user is displaying the _Guided Setup_ screen, so the user pressing _Cancel_ cannot know for sure where the action triggered by this button will lead them agreed, we have a lot of button behavior inconsistencies and we should address it. Often caused by fact that similar wizard is used at multiple places or that it can be invoked from summary and own screen. * On the screen where the user is invited to select a behavior for the repartitioning, you find the phrase "Resize, remove... if needed"; the problem is that the user does not know what "needed" means exactly (does it mean reclaim space? under what conditions?) * On the same screen, you find the phrase "Windows systems", but the user won't know what this means (which combination of bootloader + data + recovery partitions counts as __a__ Windows system?); the same issue affects Linux partitions, so that the user won't know what "other partitions" means I agree with both regarding guided proposal. I personally still thinks that for partition removal it will be better to just show list of current partitions and let user select it and just add some hints to user like disk label or that it looks like windows partition. It is simple and straightforward for user. And better fit to partitioning instead of configuration of our own partitioner tool. Josef
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