On 5/28/21 9:32 AM, José Iván López González wrote:

I have no strong opinion, but if the community has decided to move, then I guess it makes sense to follow the same steps.

Yes, that would be a reason. I'm fine with that too. Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, Systems Mgmt & Consulting Team Leader & YaST Product Owner SLE Department, SUSE Linux

On Mon, 2021-05-31 at 12:09 +0200, Stefan Hundhammer wrote:

On 2021-05-28 09:32, José Iván López González wrote:

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I know there is already a #yast channel at libera. But so far I have never seen more than 5-8 people there.

Now it seems it's kind of official that most openSUSE channels are being moved.

What should we do?

I have no strong opinion, but if the community has decided to move, then I guess it makes sense to follow the same steps.

We are not part of the community?

Yes, we're. At least, I think so.

We are just executing somebody else's orders?

Not at all :) But when I have no strong opinion I have no problem following the majority "decision" and see what happens. And, honestly, not having something against a proposal makes more difficult to discuss why not follow it.

Kind regards -- Stefan Hundhammer  YaST Developer

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-- David Díaz YaST Team at SUSE LINUX GmbH IRC: dgdavid

Hello, Dne 31. 05. 21 v 23:38 josef Reidinger napsal(a):

To be honest after reading

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https://news.itsfoss.com/freenode-controversy/

I see that move as a bit of over-reacting.

Yes, it reminds me a similar reaction when Microsoft acquired GitHub. Many projects in panic quickly moved to Gitlab or elsewhere, Gitlab had some difficulties to manage the unexpected load and traffic at the beginning.... And today? GitHub is still a great place for FOSS projects (IMHO one of the best), they are improving it, adding new features, etc... Personally I'm not against the move, on the other hand there is no need for rush. We can just wait and see. Ladislav -- Ladislav Slezák YaST Developer SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. Corso IIa Křižíkova 148/34 18600 Praha 8

On 2021-06-01 13:31, Ladislav Slezak wrote:

Yes, it reminds me a similar reaction when Microsoft acquired GitHub. Many projects in panic quickly moved to Gitlab or elsewhere, Gitlab had some difficulties to manage the unexpected load and traffic at the beginning....

And today? GitHub is still a great place for FOSS projects (IMHO one of the best), they are improving it, adding new features, etc...

+1

Personally I'm not against the move, on the other hand there is no need for rush. We can just wait and see.

+1 Also, please think about people who know about our IRC channel on freenode because they have been there before or because they read about it on any of our many web pages and wikis; they might not all follow the daily hacker news and not be aware of any movement towards a different place. They will simply try our old #yast channel on freenode IRC, not find us there, and have no clue where to find us now. I know it's trendy in the Open Source community to be a moving target, but that breaks established links and social contacts all the time. It's like our Wikis full of information, then being abandoned, and people simply never know which is the current one or if the one they bookmarked is still the right one or where to find the current one. If there is a factual need to move for hard reasons, we'll have to, of course. But let's please not do that for the sake of virtue signalling. It would be throwing away more than a setting in each of our IRC clients; we'd throw a good part of our community over board as well. Kind regards -- Stefan Hundhammer YaST Developer SUSE Linux GmbH GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton; HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg)