On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

Still broken links:- *Section:* "Need help?", Link: "Download Help" should point to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Download_Help

*Section:* "How to proceed", Links: "More Information" should point to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Download_help#Burn_the_ISO_image.28s.29

"Step by step installation guide" should point to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Installation_help

"Internet Installation" should poin to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Network_installation

Note: the links have been changed in the sidebar, not in the text below. I haven't seen it at first sight. :]

Section: "Additional Information", Link: "License" should point to ???

http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:License

Would be nice if someone can fix them urgently (read now).

Thanks, and sorry for sounding paranoid :) -- Atri

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On 15.07.2010 17:35, pistazienfresser wrote:

Hello List, hello "admin", to the download help on same download page:

The section "Verify your download (optional, for experts)" could be a bit updated and merged with download help/enhanced with links to the wiki especially to the use of metalinks:

- A check could nowadays be done easily just in the process of downloading. For example even MS-users can add Down-Them-All! in Firefox and choose "Metalink" - that way SHA256 will be used and checked automatically (without any copy and paste or typing a long list of numbers).

- Many problems with openSUSE (while installation or after installation) are/seems to be/are possible related to a corrupted downloaded image. And that is producing much extra work for the busiest guys on the forum.

Could you help us by providing an improved text? Greetings -- Thomas Schmidt (tschmidt [at] suse.de) SUSE Linux Products GmbH :: Research & Development :: Tools "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On 16.07.2010 16:17, pistazienfresser wrote:

On 16/07/10 15:11, Thomas Schmidt wrote:

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On 15.07.2010 17:35, pistazienfresser wrote:

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Hello List, hello "admin", to the download help on same download page:

The section "Verify your download (optional, for experts)" could be a bit updated and merged with download help/enhanced with links to the wiki especially to the use of metalinks:

- A check could nowadays be done easily just in the process of downloading. For example even MS-users can add Down-Them-All! in Firefox and choose "Metalink" - that way SHA256 will be used and checked automatically (without any copy and paste or typing a long list of numbers).

- Many problems with openSUSE (while installation or after installation) are/seems to be/are possible related to a corrupted downloaded image. And that is producing much extra work for the busiest guys on the forum. Yes certainly, I will try. I think of something like:

" Verify your download (to be sure)

You could verify the file in the process of downloading. For example a checksum (SHA256) will be used automatically if you choose "[[SDB:Metalink|Metalink]]" in the field above and use the add-on DownThemAll! in [[Firefox]].

[...] "

I added your text in the sources, I think we should deploy it once there are some translations for it. (Will take some days) Greetings -- Thomas Schmidt (tschmidt [at] suse.de) SUSE Linux Products GmbH :: Research & Development :: Tools "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On 03.08.2010 14:58, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:

On 03/08/10 13:40, Thomas Schmidt wrote:

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On 16.07.2010 16:17, pistazienfresser wrote:

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On 16/07/10 15:11, Thomas Schmidt wrote:

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On 15.07.2010 17:35, pistazienfresser wrote:

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Hello List, hello "admin", to the download help on same download page:

The section "Verify your download (optional, for experts)" could be a bit updated and merged with download help/enhanced with links to the wiki especially to the use of metalinks:

- A check could nowadays be done easily just in the process of downloading. For example even MS-users can add Down-Them-All! in Firefox and choose "Metalink" - that way SHA256 will be used and checked automatically (without any copy and paste or typing a long list of numbers).

- Many problems with openSUSE (while installation or after installation) are/seems to be/are possible related to a corrupted downloaded image. And that is producing much extra work for the busiest guys on the forum. Yes certainly, I will try. I think of something like:

" Verify your download (to be sure)

You could verify the file in the process of downloading. For example a checksum (SHA256) will be used automatically if you choose "[[SDB:Metalink|Metalink]]" in the field above and use the add-on DownThemAll! in [[Firefox]].

[...] "

I added your text in the sources, Where are they to find?

The sources of software.o.o are here: http://gitorious.org/opensuse/software-o-o

I think we should deploy it once there are some translations for it. Should I try to translate it in German? ;-)

The german translation is here: http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/opensuse-i18n/trunk/lcn/de/po/software-o... You could for example use "lokalize" from kde4 to translate it. I would happily commit your translated file :-) Greetings -- Thomas Schmidt (tom [at] opensuse.org) openSUSE Boosters Team "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

Hey, On 17.07.2010 00:30, pistazienfresser wrote:

On 16/07/10 15:11, Thomas Schmidt wrote:

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On 15.07.2010 17:35, pistazienfresser wrote:

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Hello List, hello "admin", to the download help on same download page: F.Y.I.:

http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing

http://www.novell.com/documentation/opensuse113/

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On 20/07/10 12:36, pistazienfresser wrote:

On 20/07/10 12:26, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 17.07.2010 00:30, pistazienfresser wrote: [...]

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F.Y.I.:

http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing

http://www.novell.com/documentation/opensuse113/

The books are underway... [...] P. S.: Maybe somebody with knowledge about that issue might respond on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Talk:Main_Page and http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing...

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On 20/07/10 21:01, Tim Mohlmann wrote:

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P. S.: Maybe somebody with knowledge about that issue might respond on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Talk:Main_Page and http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing...

Answered on both mentioned page just now. I short: I'm working on it, Hello Tim, hello list,

1. did you understand the question on the discussion page in an other way than I did OR 2. did I not understand your answers in the right way (why are you writing of "pages" not of "documents"/"guides") OR 3. will there be this time no "quick start guide and the full user guide" etc. (in other versions copyright by novell) like on http://www.novell.com/documentation/opensuse112/ (/;-) But in some discussion on the forums I had the impression I was member of a small minority that really reads that guides sometimes /;-)) From http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&diff=17940&oldid=17896

Hello,

It is true that there is lack of this pages. I'm currently working on that, since I noticed it myself a bit to late. I wanted to start on this 2 days ago, but i n order to obtain some screen shots I started installing myself. This gave me some issues (because I tried new/stupid things) and put me out of the running for the last 2 days. Read: no bootable computer. So I apologize.

I think due to the wiki transfer just before the release, this pages where more or less forgotten. Next release I hope we do better ;) --Muhlemmer 18:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

sorry for delay. Personally I am happy with openSUSE 11.2 for now - my intent was more to prevent frustration because people may be used to the frequent use of the discussion pages from the big wikis (en.wikipedia, de.wikipedia, ...) -

By the way - are the corresponding discussion pages added to the watchlist if you add the article page? Could the default preferences be changed in the way that a user has to change something to add an article NOT to his watchlist if he edited or controlled it? In other words - please add edited pages by default to the watchlist of the user (especially to the admins/editors/etc... watchlists). And if the use of that discussion pages will increase or stay like this - maybe a discussion-page-archive-function could be imported (via http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:Import ?) form a wiki with an according license and used? Greetings pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE 11.2 with GNOME 2.28.2 (or KDE 4.3.5) and Kernel Linux 2.6.31.12-0.2-default (or pae, Ubuntu 10.4 LTS 'lucid' 2.6.33-22-genetic, MS Win XP) - Samsung X20 (SX20S) with Pentium M 740 (1730 MHz), Intel graphic 915GM, 1400x1050 - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

Team, As is noticed, the installation pages are a disaster for this release (and probably more topics). Off course it's not so difficult to understand, since the transition took place just before the release. The buildservice makes use of trigger lists. If a package gets updated, other packages also need to be updated. Developer gets message etc. I was thinking of the same for the wiki. Not as complicated as the buildservice, but very simple: a page containing all the pages that require updating at the moment a new release is launched. When we are at a certain time from the release (say 2 weeks), we publish the contents of this list on Portal:wiki under "To do" topic. So we can get the input of editors on time and making that distribution related pages complete. I'm willing to maintain such a list, if you guys agree with it. Greetings, Tim 2010/7/20 Tim Mohlmann :

well, the intension is to have a general Installation article, which must be updated when a new version is released. A copy of the article then moves to Archive: with a version note.

In the article, will off course be a reference to the official docs. This official docs are still underway from the documentation team/novell? We are the wiki team, so we work on the wiki pages.

What I'm working on is a better structure for the Installation pages, update them to guidelines and some visual aspects. The article I'm actualy going to write is the Live CD installation. This one is not documented by Novell and is something we have to do ourselves.

Greets,

Tim

2010/7/20 pistazienfresser :

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On 20/07/10 21:01, Tim Mohlmann wrote:

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P. S.: Maybe somebody with knowledge about that issue might respond on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Talk:Main_Page and http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:11.3#Quick_Start_and_User_Guide_Missing...

Answered on both mentioned page just now. I short: I'm working on it, Hello Tim, hello list,

1. did you understand the question on the discussion page in an other way than I did OR 2. did I not understand your answers in the right way (why are you writing of "pages" not of "documents"/"guides") OR 3. will there be this time no "quick start guide and the full user guide" etc. (in other versions copyright by novell) like on http://www.novell.com/documentation/opensuse112/ (/;-) But in some discussion on the forums I had the impression I was member of a small minority that really reads that guides sometimes /;-))

From http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&diff=17940&oldid=17896

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Hello,

It is true that there is lack of this pages. I'm currently working on that, since I noticed it myself a bit to late. I wanted to start on this 2 days ago, but i n order to obtain some screen shots I started installing myself. This gave me some issues (because I tried new/stupid things) and put me out of the running for the last 2 days. Read: no bootable computer. So I apologize.

I think due to the wiki transfer just before the release, this pages where more or less forgotten. Next release I hope we do better ;) --Muhlemmer 18:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

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sorry for delay. Personally I am happy with openSUSE 11.2 for now - my intent was more to prevent frustration because people may be used to the frequent use of the discussion pages from the big wikis (en.wikipedia, de.wikipedia, ...) -

By the way - are the corresponding discussion pages added to the watchlist if you add the article page?

Could the default preferences be changed in the way that a user has to change something to add an article NOT to his watchlist if he edited or controlled it? In other words - please add edited pages by default to the watchlist of the user (especially to the admins/editors/etc... watchlists).

And if the use of that discussion pages will increase or stay like this - maybe a discussion-page-archive-function could be imported (via http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:Import ?) form a wiki with an according license and used?

Greetings pistazienfresser

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On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Tim Mohlmann wrote:

I was thinking of the same for the wiki. Not as complicated as the buildservice, but very simple: a page containing all the pages that require updating at the moment a new release is launched.

Hi, Maybe we could use a category to "dynamically" maintain such a list, as we did on the old-en wiki. Just add [[Category:Update on new release]] or something similar to the to-be-updated pages. Regards, R. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

Hey, On 23.07.2010 02:51, Rajko M. wrote:

On Wednesday 21 July 2010 16:06:16 Tim Mohlmann wrote:

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I was thinking of the same for the wiki. Not as complicated as the buildservice, but very simple: a page containing all the pages that require updating at the moment a new release is launched. When we are at a certain time from the release (say 2 weeks), we publish the contents of this list on Portal:wiki under "To do" topic. So we can get the input of editors on time and making that distribution related pages complete.

I'm willing to maintain such a list, if you guys agree with it.

Started in forums some time ago :) http://bit.ly/bsBk0T

Sounds like over-engineering to me. Just put articles that need to be brushed up on release into [[Category:Check on release]]. There is no need for multiple versioned categories, we only have one release. And checking fate or bugzilla or something for the most important SDB articles is part of the brush up task, we don't need a technical solution for that. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org