[opensuse-wiki] use of localized wikis
Hello, wiki team :-) As you may know, the localized wikis are no more in par with the english wiki. I plan to create new page (or translate some from the en one), and I would like to know what is the prefered syntax. Until now, it was advised to use the very same name from the english wiki and do a redirect to the localized page. For exemple, if a page "install on usb" was on the en wiki, the french wiki held a page "install on usb" that redirects to "installer sur usb". This allowed the interwiki links to work easier. * till the move these links don't work anymore -lack of "old-" in the link. Could somebody correct this or explain how I can do, at least until the localized wiki have done the move; * How can we do similar things now for new pages? I don't know how to cope with the namespaces, if we don't have them in localized wikis. thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-08-08 11:36, jdd wrote:
Hello, wiki team :-)
As you may know, the localized wikis are no more in par with the english wiki.
I plan to create new page (or translate some from the en one), and I would like to know what is the prefered syntax.
Until now, it was advised to use the very same name from the english wiki and do a redirect to the localized page.
For exemple, if a page "install on usb" was on the en wiki, the french wiki held a page "install on usb" that redirects to "installer sur usb". This allowed the interwiki links to work easier.
* till the move these links don't work anymore -lack of "old-" in the link. Could somebody correct this or explain how I can do, at least until the localized wiki have done the move;
* How can we do similar things now for new pages? I don't know how to cope with the namespaces, if we don't have them in localized wikis.
Absolutely. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxeniQACgkQU92UU+smfQU+lgCdFCKHKzCw0gKnhT3npCBmrAIc 9OQAn2zi8T4ldOTGzbEFcUfSnBOiHTHH =jM0V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 08 August 2010 04:36:43 jdd wrote:
Hello, wiki team :-)
As you may know, the localized wikis are no more in par with the english wiki.
Just submitted: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=629405 please check it.
I plan to create new page (or translate some from the en one), and I would like to know what is the prefered syntax.
http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki is about new in a wiki organization. That articles are growing steadily in number.
Until now, it was advised to use the very same name from the english wiki and do a redirect to the localized page.
For exemple, if a page "install on usb" was on the en wiki, the french wiki held a page "install on usb" that redirects to "installer sur usb". This allowed the interwiki links to work easier.
This can be used, but it is not requirement. I've seen interwiki links that are written in a language used on target of such links, and they work fine. The only benefit is that there will be no problems with language related bugs in MediaWiki software, but as Wikipedia has a lot of translations I suspect that they have no many bugs left in the version 1.15.1, which is the one that we use.
* till the move these links don't work anymore -lack of "old-" in the link. Could somebody correct this or explain how I can do, at least until the localized wiki have done the move;
I would leave this part to somebody else to explain, but my opinion is that you should create new links that point from new wiki article to translation.
* How can we do similar things now for new pages? I don't know how to cope with the namespaces, if we don't have them in localized wikis.
Vote for wiki update to state same as en.o.o, but before update is applied don't do anything like translation of wiki portal to French: http://fr.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki Any page that is created now with syntax that mimic namespace will disappear when namespace Portal: is created in fr wiki. Now it will be considered as article in the Main namespace with title "Portal:Wiki". When Portal namespace is created MediaWiki will look for article with title "Wiki" in namespace Portal and as there is none, so you will see empty page. We got that with HCL namespace, and cure was to use direct access to database to move articles. We don't want to ask wiki admin to do that more often then necessary.
thanks
jdd -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-08-09 00:11, Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday 08 August 2010 04:36:43 jdd wrote:
* till the move these links don't work anymore -lack of "old-" in the link. Could somebody correct this or explain how I can do, at least until the localized wiki have done the move;
I would leave this part to somebody else to explain, but my opinion is that you should create new links that point from new wiki article to translation.
The problem is the same as for the English wiki. There are tons of links everywhere pointing to pages in the wiki, but which have been renamed, and thus are broken. Even searches in google sometimes point to pages that exist no more. So, in the language wikis there are links to the English wiki, which are broken as well. Repairing all those is daunting. And nobody knows what to do. For example, there is (was): http://old-en.opensuse.org/Teams It has a drop-down list at the right top corner, with partial list of languages to which it has been supposedly translated (not all are in the list). The modern equivalent is, I assume http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Teams. Some of the links there remain broken (no one has commented on this yet, I have asked several times). The translated one is http://es.opensuse.org/Portal:Teams, completely empty, as it is http://es.opensuse.org/Portal:Equipos. The real one is at http://es.opensuse.org/Equipos with a redirection to http://es.opensuse.org/Teams, but it is also broken. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxfRW4ACgkQU92UU+smfQWLcACfXKfO/MdKWeSd4AmojfpJtIGZ OAUAmwQbXzj7b0AAsOGn/pga6yXWNdsc =S+1g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 08/09/2010 02:01 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-08-09 00:11, Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday 08 August 2010 04:36:43 jdd wrote:
* till the move these links don't work anymore -lack of "old-" in the link. Could somebody correct this or explain how I can do, at least until the localized wiki have done the move;
I would leave this part to somebody else to explain, but my opinion is that you should create new links that point from new wiki article to translation.
The problem is the same as for the English wiki.
There are tons of links everywhere pointing to pages in the wiki, but which have been renamed, and thus are broken. Even searches in google sometimes point to pages that exist no more.
And that, as we have explained a million times, is okay. We launched a completely new website which is not backward-compatible. When we find links in our own infrastructure we fix them. When we find _VERY_ prominent links we create redirects. Everything else has to fade away or will update itself automatically (search engines).
So, in the language wikis there are links to the English wiki, which are broken as well. Repairing all those is daunting.
True, that's why we need to point to old-en until we updated the language wikis. Good point, i have added my comments to bnc#629405
And nobody knows what to do.
For now there should be http://es.opensuse.org/Teams as redirect to http://es.opensuse.org/Equipos which uses interwiki links on the page (either directly or with the IW template}. Just like it is now. The only thing that we need to change is the interwiki link from en.o.o to old-en.o.o. So the interwiki links point to the equivalent of the wiki in another language. That means es.o.o (old) points to old-en.o.o (old). old-en then point to the new wiki with {{TransferNote}}. Once we have created a new es.o.o (new) we can point with the interwiki links to the en.o.o (new). Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-08-09 11:58, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 08/09/2010 02:01 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: e problem is the same as for the English wiki.
There are tons of links everywhere pointing to pages in the wiki, but which have been renamed, and thus are broken. Even searches in google sometimes point to pages that exist no more.
And that, as we have explained a million times, is okay. We launched a completely new website which is not backward-compatible. When we find links in our own infrastructure we fix them. When we find _VERY_ prominent links we create redirects. Everything else has to fade away or will update itself automatically (search engines).
And many have explained as many times that this is wrong.
So, in the language wikis there are links to the English wiki, which are broken as well. Repairing all those is daunting.
True, that's why we need to point to old-en until we updated the language wikis. Good point, i have added my comments to bnc#629405
ok. But don't forget to point in the new English wiki to the equivalent translated (old) pages. Links that existed in the old wiki.
And nobody knows what to do.
For now there should be
http://es.opensuse.org/Teams as redirect to http://es.opensuse.org/Equipos which uses interwiki links on the page (either directly or with the IW template}. Just like it is now. The only thing that we need to change is the interwiki link from en.o.o to old-en.o.o.
Ok.
So the interwiki links point to the equivalent of the wiki in another language. That means es.o.o (old) points to old-en.o.o (old). old-en then point to the new wiki with {{TransferNote}}. Once we have created a new es.o.o (new) we can point with the interwiki links to the en.o.o (new).
I'm more or less lost here. Doesn't matter, I will not do that job. I will just try to keep the content of the few places I edit more or less updted, even if there are no links to them or have been lost in the process. I can't do more. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxf1VoACgkQU92UU+smfQU6kACcDTt0kZeCZhNZvNg+4IKTvivR 7csAoIm4XElZ0QnYFVbxdUaWICg/5HgG =ALqD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 08/09/2010 12:15 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-08-09 11:58, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 08/09/2010 02:01 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: e problem is the same as for the English wiki.
There are tons of links everywhere pointing to pages in the wiki, but which have been renamed, and thus are broken. Even searches in google sometimes point to pages that exist no more.
And that, as we have explained a million times, is okay. We launched a completely new website which is not backward-compatible. When we find links in our own infrastructure we fix them. When we find _VERY_ prominent links we create redirects. Everything else has to fade away or will update itself automatically (search engines).
And many have explained as many times that this is wrong.
Yes, everybody is entitled to his opinion. Those who do decide :)
So, in the language wikis there are links to the English wiki, which are broken as well. Repairing all those is daunting.
True, that's why we need to point to old-en until we updated the language wikis. Good point, i have added my comments to bnc#629405
ok.
But don't forget to point in the new English wiki to the equivalent translated (old) pages. Links that existed in the old wiki.
New wikis will always just point to their equivalent new wiki in other languages :)
And nobody knows what to do.
For now there should be
I'm more or less lost here. Doesn't matter, I will not do that job. I will just try to keep the content of the few places I edit more or less updted, even if there are no links to them or have been lost in the process. I can't do more.
And that's okay :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
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