On Thursday 18 February 2010 12:59:14 Rémy Marquis wrote:

Some stuff about the new wiki instance:

*Updating guidelines. For some reason, the wiki guidelines that were in the new instance weren't the last version available on en.o.o. I changed them to the last version and merged the changes done on wiki.o.o. The Guidelines articles in en.o.o are now tagged as "Transfered in the new wiki". Please make further changes directly in wiki.o.o if you need to improve the Guidelines (and ensure that the last version of en.o.o articles is in wiki.o.o before starting to edit).

I would like to propose that after moving article to wiki.o.o, old article is marked with http://en.opensuse.org/Template:TransferNote and the rest is blanked out, so that users don't come on idea to edit it there. I changed the template in order to advertise work on a new wiki, warn users not to link to wiki.o.o as it is temporary solution, and point users to new articles that should be edited instead of old. Articles will change names, at least for capitalization, it is not possible, as I initially intended to use {{FULLPAGENAME}}, but new article title should be manually entered instead of parameter 1.

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*Revision control draft I prepared http://wiki.opensuse.org/Help:Page_validation as a first draft, loosely based on Second Life wiki [1] (the deepest explanation I found on Flaggrev). This page is linked from the main wiki guideline page, and all pages that are under revision control.

What should be done here: - proper introduction/presentation of flaggrev control. I remember that Rupert asked for a deeper explanation about our QA process. This should be written here :) - Reworking user groups. I'm not sure how Reviewer/Editor groups will be used in our new instance, it is a bit different from the SecondLife wiki.

Administrators: Can flag as "Quality" (Reviewer in SecondLife wiki) Reviewer: Can flag as "Sighted" (Editor in SL wiki) Editor: ? (only Frank in this group at the moment)

Am I right on this?

In current setup Reviewer would be user that knows the topic, but not necessarily knows wiki process, Editor is someone that knows wiki processes, but not topics. So reviewer can mark article as Quality, which Editor can't, but some functions on Special pages can access only editor. If you need someone in both roles then you have to give him both user categories. I'm reviewer and I can't see some special pages :) Frank? (help)

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*Revision control and help namespace. Actually, flaggrev seems enabled on main, Portal, Template namespaces. I believe it would be good to enable it for the Help namespace too.

Help and openSUSE should be only administrator and experienced user editable, there is nothing that just logged in user should change. I'm not sure is semiprotection available for whole namespaces. I'll see that on a weekend. It is similar treatment to Archive namespace.

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*Articles tags Template simplification [2] Actually, we have the following tags template in wiki.o.o : - Expand - Cleanup - Obsolete - Merge - Delete

The following aren't in wiki.o.o yet, and I'm wondering if we should get rid of them: - Needs review (obsolete with flaggrev QA process)

No transfer.

- Section cleanup (almost similar to Cleanup)

Almost :) Marking only section that needs cleanup, but with new revision control both are of suspicious value as something that needs cleanup should not appear in a first place. Any workflow where they might be needed?

- Outdated (similar to Obsolete, and (almost) never used correctly in en.o.o )

"Outdated" is in need to be brought up to date with currently used software, "obsolete" is about something that does not exist anymore, but some lesser confusing naming will be good. Ideas?

- SpeedDelete (similar to Delete + obsolete with the "sighted" feature of flaggrev QA process)

New articles will be shown to the visitors, so when regular user finds one that has to be deleted, how it will mark it. Delete marked is not "delete now", but after discussion etc, so it is not replacement for "Speed delete".

- Move to SDB (no idea if this one is still required)

IMO, not. With current revision control I don't see need for special namespace, unless we want to compete with us.

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*What I am planning to do next (if I find time... ) - Transfering/reviewing pages that should be in Help (should be almost done now) and Template namespace - Working on the three Portals already available (Shayon works [3] will be useful there) - Defining a proper list of predefined Categories to be used in the new wiki, as defined by [4]

Some can be predefined, but we don't want to limit list growth as we can't predict all possible categories. All previous attempts to enforce something like fixed list failed in face of real needs.

Regards,

R.

[1] http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Flagged_Revs_Configuration [2] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Wiki_Tag_Guidelines#Article_tags [3] http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock/Test1 and http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock/Test2 [4] http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_Guidelines#Step_0_:_Preparation

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