[opensuse-wiki] social engenering
I keep reading "producingoss" and find there many very interesting ideas. The page 25 say that the user like to know what is the political project functionning . Skh said the project model is the "benevolent dictatorship". I write an article for the project overview page on this subject. I tried to make it neutral and factual. http://fr.opensuse.org/Project_overview#Le_fonctionnement_social_du_projet of course, on a so sensible subject I would like if somebody understanding french could read and edit at will the text. The english page is protected, I can't (and don't want to) edit it, but a similar paragraph should be appended. Novell have nothing to fear from being straight-forward on this subject (on my opinion, Novell can be _proud_ of it's work :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
Hello, Am Dienstag, 6. Juni 2006 21:20 schrieb jdd:
http://fr.opensuse.org/Project_overview#Le_fonctionnement_social_du_projet
I translated it using Konquerors babelfish feature [1] - although the translation wasn't perfect, I'd say I got the content. To avoid that everybody has to call babelfish on itsself, here's it's translation. Please note that I did not proofread it ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- The social operation of the project It must be obvious for all that Novell ensures to it quasi totality of the expenditure of the project. Its receipts relating to SUSE Linux directly are not known, but there is not any doubt that they do not cover the whole of the expenditure. Nearly two hundred and fifty employees work on SUSE Linux, without it being possible to estimate the ratio openSUSE/produits professional. The interest of Novell is the sale of the professional products derived from SUSE Linux which you can examine on the site of http://www.novell.com and the flattering reputation which accompanies the parainage by projects of this type, without forgetting the assistance of the volunteers whose importance increases with time. Novell decided to behave as a benevolent dictator, i.e. that Novell reserves the right to decide on all as a last resort, but attaches a great importance to work of the users and volunteers. In practice, it is very rare that a page written by a volunteer is erased or modified by an employee of Novell and, during this first year of operation (2005-2006) one could reproach Novell for being long in implementing certain decisions (the means are limited), but not to censure the volunteers. --------------------------------------------------------------------- IMHO, this would really be something that should be listed on the project overview page - but please don't use the above machine translation ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz [1] and filed bug 182269... -- Machen wir einen Club "utf-8 geplagte Perl-Programmierer" auf? [Bernhard Walle in suse-programming] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:27:50AM +0200, Christian Boltz wrote:
In practice, it is very rare that a page written by a volunteer is erased or modified by an employee of Novell and, during this first year of operation (2005-2006) one could reproach Novell for being long in implementing certain decisions (the means are limited), but not to censure the volunteers.
Perhaps it should be clarified that Novell emplyees are also part of openSUSE, just like everybody else. The big difference is that they have more insight in most things. If somebody edits something, I believe that most of the time he does this as a memeber of the community, not so much as a Novell Employee. Although there might have been exeptions. The exeptions are, I think, the protected pages and mostly legal issues. Just a thought. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
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Christian Boltz wrote:
Hello,
Am Dienstag, 6. Juni 2006 21:20 schrieb jdd:
http://fr.opensuse.org/Project_overview#Le_fonctionnement_social_du_projet
I translated it using Konquerors babelfish feature [1] - although the translation wasn't perfect, I'd say I got the content.
To avoid that everybody has to call babelfish on itsself, here's it's translation. Please note that I did not proofread it ;-)
--------------------------------------------------------------------- The social operation of the project
It must be obvious for all that Novell ensures quasi totality the expenditure of the project. Its receipts relating to SUSE Linux directly are not known, but there is not any doubt that they do not cover the whole of the expenditure. Nearly two hundred and fifty employees work on SUSE Linux, without it being possible to estimate the ratio openSUSE/professional products
The interest of Novell is the sale of the professional products derived from SUSE Linux which you can examine on the site of http://www.novell.com and the flattering reputation which accompanies the parainage by projects of this type, without forgetting the assistance of the volunteers whose importance increases with time.
Novell decided to behave as a benevolent dictator, i.e. that Novell reserves the right to decide on all as a last resort, but attaches a great importance to work of the users and volunteers.
In practice, it is very rare that a page written by a volunteer is erased or modified by an employee of Novell and, during this first year of operation (2005-2006) one could reproach Novell for being long in implementing certain decisions (the means are limited), but not to censure the volunteers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
IMHO, this would really be something that should be listed on the project overview page - but please don't use the above machine translation ;-)
I fixed some minor errors, but not being native english speaker, can't do better :-( I don't think it's the place to state that The community is large and include many Novell employees, may be enhance the relevant page jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 11:56:15AM +0200, jdd wrote:
Novell decided to behave as a benevolent dictator, i.e. that Novell reserves the right to decide on all as a last resort, but attaches a great importance to work of the users and volunteers.
In practice, it is very rare that a page written by a volunteer is erased or modified by an employee of Novell and, during this first year of operation (2005-2006) one could reproach Novell for being long in implementing certain decisions (the means are limited), but not to censure the volunteers.
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I don't think it's the place to state that The community is large and include many Novell employees, may be enhance the relevant page
It could be interpreted that every change that is done by Novell is because it was a decision from Novell, while almost always it was the openSUSE member doing the change. And he just happens to work at Novell. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
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houghi wrote:
It could be interpreted that every change that is done by Novell is because it was a decision from Novell, while almost always it was the openSUSE member doing the change. And he just happens to work at Novell.
problem is there is no way to know. I really can't remember a case where a page was deleted by Novell against the volunteers will. It's just, for now, a "cas d'école" (really don't know how to translate this :-( ). But this can happen, volunteers must know this. I remember when SUN decided to add a "made by SUN" in the opening logo of openoffice, many volunteers on the openoffice list had problem with this. However, the volunteer part in openoffice work is probably less than in openSUSE (openoffice is more programmer oriented) and the SUN decision seems natural, but the relationship was not completely defined at the moment. this producingoss book is very worth reading. I read and try to apply in the same time :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 01:54:19PM +0200, jdd wrote:
houghi wrote:
It could be interpreted that every change that is done by Novell is because it was a decision from Novell, while almost always it was the openSUSE member doing the change. And he just happens to work at Novell.
problem is there is no way to know.
That is the reason that you need to explain it. Otherwise people might think that Novell does all these changes behind peoples back. It is also not bad to explain twice that Novell employees can be openSUSE mebers in their own name. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
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houghi wrote:
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 01:54:19PM +0200, jdd wrote:
houghi wrote:
It could be interpreted that every change that is done by Novell is because it was a decision from Novell, while almost always it was the openSUSE member doing the change. And he just happens to work at Novell.
problem is there is no way to know.
That is the reason that you need to explain it. Otherwise people might think that Novell does all these changes behind peoples back.
I don't think it is the case, but you can't now for sure. How can you state this is not?
It is also not bad to explain twice that Novell employees can be openSUSE members in their own name.
it can't hurt, but I only find this irrelevant in this context, We should keep such subject as small as possible to make then easier to read. Note this is not really an objection: if this is added to the text, i will follow without problem :-). jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
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