jdd wrote:

Rajko M wrote:

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Your opinion about: http://en.opensuse.org/User:Armliao "contributions".

1) For me it is not correct to sign articles, specially not in title. 2) Enterprise products have nothing to do with openSUSE. 3) One link per the page.

I have feeling that guy, knows what is doing, and it is not friendly.

All contributions of user: http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Armliao

did you try to contact him?

No. I wrote some remarks, but Msmeisen was faster, and I didn't posted mine. Missing comment to his post, and further changes, made me to write here first, as it looked like guy is ignoring warning.

may be he thinks writing on own sub pages for drafts... it was what I thought of at first read (and I already did similar error when beginner)

Everybody has it's own share, but this is a lot at once.

of course this should not stay as is.

jdd

I've seen many pages created fast, and many with the problem. One written in Chinese and not marked as translation, one or two links per page, enterprise products as a topic, links to pages that require login, login name in the title. One of the links is to page that recommends program that should punch a whole in the firewall. It seems useful, but any trojan has it's viable explanation, and hidden purpose. -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org

Peter Flodin wrote:

On 7/12/06, Rajko M wrote:

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I've seen many pages created fast, and many with the problem. One written in Chinese and not marked as translation, one or two links per page, enterprise products as a topic, links to pages that require login, login name in the title. One of the links is to page that recommends program that should punch a whole in the firewall. It seems useful, but any trojan has it's viable explanation, and hidden purpose.

Sure a lot of these are probably unwanted, but it is very important not to turn away new contributors.

A lot of pages start badly :-), but over time become something useful.

The important thing is to be consistent in these matters, and to actually have defined rules for the wiki, no page should be deleted from the wiki without good reason.

Personally I don't see a huge harm in creating pages that nobody will look at, but the person should be guided to what we want (if we can agree on such a thing :-)

A different matter would be breaking existing pages, but even then the first reaction should always be education and the benefit of the doubt, and banning should be the last.

Pflodo Peter Flodin

Agree. It is obvious that I was upset with speed of "contributions" and lack of reactions form mentioned user. That is probably main reason to come here and ask, what is appropriate, and how to act in similar situations. Probably is time for another addition to policies and guidelines that will regulate how to act if new user doesn't pay attention to messages on his discussion page, removes "delete" template and continues with "contributions". Delete was drastic, but parallel free support for enterprise product on openSUSE is not something that helps Novell. It competes with payed support, and cuts the branch that we are sitting on :-| -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org

On 7/12/06, jdd wrote:

Rajko M wrote:

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It is obvious that I was upset with speed of "contributions" and lack of reactions form mentioned user. That is probably main reason to come here and ask, what is appropriate, and how to act in similar situations.

there are some obvious situations. I noted yesterday (for the first time) a modification in english on the communicate page of the french wiki. I reverted it (only a sysop can do) immediately. However I couldn't set up a comment for the revert (may be I did something wrong) so I added a comment on the user discussion page saying that no english notice sould go on a french wiki :-)

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Probably is time for another addition to policies and guidelines that will regulate how to act if new user doesn't pay attention to messages on his discussion page, removes "delete" template and continues with "contributions".

if you look at the number of red links in the user list, you will understand that most user don't understand the mediawiki way of life. This can be understood.

Mediawiki way of life? Anyway its a subscription based service to deliver info, if you expect everyone that come in there to activly participate we would be in deep shit with the number of crap that would came out, let alone all of them filling a profile for an account they might use once or twice ... See what happen when they start to really try and use it .. may be the sysop should have access to the user e-mail

(given at subscribtion time) to be able to notify such actions directly.

It's not like if all the WikiSysop were trustable ... Ho wait its just a scam to get a fat list of email to go sell to canonical right ?

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Delete was drastic, but parallel free support for enterprise product on openSUSE is not something that helps Novell. It competes with payed support, and cuts the branch that we are sitting on :-|

not necessarily. If comercial actions take place around opensuse, this strengthen opensuse. Nor Novell nor OpenSUSE can give all solutions, being part of a more complete system is good.

Well talking about the commercial version, why are you gonna buy it if not for support? Anyway openSUSE wiki is way out of place for that, this IS NOT your personal paste bin, even less a place to spam publicity. personnally I am in favor of listing of commercial

applications relevant for us, even comments.

I only asks the comments to be wiki way, that is as factual as possible, no advertisement nor non fact based advice (no: "the best of all products", but yes for "This product is fine for my home made photographs...")

bit for the latter, we can trust the users (the many users).

Huh ?? -Trust is a weakness