Any idea when it will be up again? It is not realy good advertisement to have it down with the lauch of a new version. :-( Also the http://download.opensuse.org/index.html is pretty confusing. I would delete the last two rows or perhaps even the last three rows, or just put up the anouncement there, because it is much clearer. http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1/ Now you don't see any information and what are the RC1_GM torrents? Confusing for a beginner. houghi -- "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." -- Matt Groening
On 5/13/06, houghi
Any idea when it will be up again? It is not realy good advertisement to have it down with the lauch of a new version. :-(
Also the http://download.opensuse.org/index.html is pretty confusing. I would delete the last two rows or perhaps even the last three rows, or just put up the anouncement there, because it is much clearer.
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1/ Now you don't see any information and what are the RC1_GM torrents? Confusing for a beginner.
It is back up. http://en.opensuse.org/Special:Popularpages I think we had over a million pageviews on the front page alone in the last few days. From memory as I looked at stats only a few days ago. Victim of our own success. I do however think that we need to plan for this properly next time, so that the failure is more graceful, with a planned message and page. It looked a bit like an emergency-my-server-is-on-fire message....even if that was the case :-). It would be interesting to see the webserver stats, with referrals, my guess a large proportion of the traffic came from here: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/11/1544232 http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/12/0218209 http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Finally_Released_SUSE_10.1_Final Peter 'Pflodo' Flodin
Peter Flodin wrote:
On 5/13/06, houghi
wrote: Any idea when it will be up again? It is not realy good advertisement to have it down with the lauch of a new version. :-(
Also the http://download.opensuse.org/index.html is pretty confusing. I would delete the last two rows or perhaps even the last three rows, or just put up the anouncement there, because it is much clearer.
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1/ Now you don't see any information and what are the RC1_GM torrents? Confusing for a beginner.
It is back up.
http://en.opensuse.org/Special:Popularpages
I think we had over a million pageviews on the front page alone in the last few days. From memory as I looked at stats only a few days ago.
Victim of our own success. I do however think that we need to plan for this properly next time, so that the failure is more graceful, with a planned message and page. It looked a bit like an emergency-my-server-is-on-fire message....even if that was the case :-).
It would be interesting to see the webserver stats, with referrals, my guess a large proportion of the traffic came from here: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/11/1544232 http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/12/0218209 http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Finally_Released_SUSE_10.1_Final
Peter 'Pflodo' Flodin
Interesting. I looked some 30 min. ago and there was emergency page. Good said "victims of own success". -- Regards, Rajko.
On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 09:33:26AM +1000, Peter Flodin wrote:
It would be interesting to see the webserver stats, with referrals, my guess a large proportion of the traffic came from here: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/11/1544232 http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/12/0218209
Darn. Missed those ones. /. needs more dupes. :-) houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau
Hello, Am Samstag, 13. Mai 2006 01:33 schrieb Peter Flodin:
Victim of our own success.
Yes. That's the most pleasant problem you can imagine ;) However, openSUSE isn't the first that had this problem. Someone from a big german freemail provider once told me that several companies advertising in their newsletter called them saying "we are DoS'ed", got the reply "no DoS, traffic!". Then the companies _begged_ not to send out more newsletters ;-) BTW: A variant of DoS-ing a website is DoS-ing a call center - one company managed to have this two times, seems they hadn't learned from the first newsletter sent out... BTW2: They already give out "surviving extremely high traffic" guides in advance, but sometimes it doesn't help.
I do however think that we need to plan for this properly next time, so that the failure is more graceful, with a planned message and page.
Nobody will object, I guess ;-) My proposal: Run a wget -r over the whole wiki (excluding index.php) daily. In case of problems, you can switch to that copy. This clearly reduces the load on the server (static files vs. "PHP + database + iChains") while still serve all information. The only thing not working will be editing of pages, page history and alike - but that hits only a low percentage of visitors. Sounds much better than having a single "we are offline" page, doesn't it?
It looked a bit like an emergency-my-server-is-on-fire message....even if that was the case :-).
;-)
It would be interesting to see the webserver stats, with referrals,
Yes, it would really be nice if someone can them make available. Regards, Christian Boltz -- If something is red you should always worry. That's way it is red. [Thorsten Kukuk]
Christian Boltz wrote:
My proposal:
Run a wget -r over the whole wiki (excluding index.php) daily. In case of problems, you can switch to that copy. This clearly reduces the load on the server (static files vs. "PHP + database + iChains") while still serve all information.
not so easy :-(, for example the sidebar gives odd results with wget I made several tests and for now ended with: wget -Erkpb -np http://fr.opensuse.org (warning, http://opensuse.org dont work :-) but not sure this is right :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
On 2006-05-13 22:04:03 +0200, jdd wrote:
Christian Boltz wrote:
My proposal:
Run a wget -r over the whole wiki (excluding index.php) daily. In case of problems, you can switch to that copy. This clearly reduces the load on the server (static files vs. "PHP + database + iChains") while still serve all information.
not so easy :-(, for example the sidebar gives odd results with wget
I made several tests and for now ended with:
wget -Erkpb -np http://fr.opensuse.org
wgetting the wiki is the most stupid idea i have ever heard. there are so many highly dynamic pages in it. that you do us more bad than good. DONT DO THAT! thanks darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org
Marcus Rueckert wrote:
wgetting the wiki is the most stupid idea i have ever heard. there are so many highly dynamic pages in it. that you do us more bad than good.
the real syntax is that: wget \ --convert-links \ --page-requisites \ --html-extension \ --recursive \ --level=2 \ --reject "*edit*,*history*,*Special*,*oldid*" \ http://url/wiki/ Or in a short form wget -k -p -E -r -l 2 -R "*edit*,*history*,*Special*,*oldid*" http://url/wiki/ and how can we have a backup of the wiki elsewhere? a much better way should be to have periodically this done from the serveur itself and made available to any user. there are a number of case where this is usefull, having no net acces for example jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 08:50:34AM +0200, jdd wrote:
a much better way should be to have periodically this done from the serveur itself and made available to any user.
On one side there is redundancy. On the other side there is overkill. Let us be realistic. It is 'only' openSUSE.org that is down for a bit. You are not going to die because of this. It is a pity and now let us move on.
there are a number of case where this is usefull, having no net acces for example
Again more overkill then redundancy. People who have no net access will also not be able to download SUSE. A website is intended for people with Internet access. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau
A website is intended for people with Internet access.
houghi and a connection fail? a network card problem? travelling
houghi wrote: through train or plane? working outside network? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 03:05:59PM +0200, jdd wrote:
houghi wrote:
A website is intended for people with Internet access.
houghi and a connection fail? a network card problem? travelling through train or plane? working outside network?
Aplication Manuals. Man pages. README's. HOWTO's and such are already on your PC and should be enough to solve your connection problems. There are complete books on your distribution. And are you realy that desperate that you can not live without openSUSE.org during those off-time periods? Please, it is only a website. Next you will be asking a printout, because there are periods that you are not near your PC. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau
houghi wrote:
And are you realy that desperate that you can not live without openSUSE.org during those off-time periods?
I use to write down all the tips and tricks I use daily for my work. and for the sake of helping the others, I write then in the wiki. Of course I could write them in _my_ wiki, as I did before and dtop writing to opensuse, but this is not the goal :-) so I need all this stuff at hand. And trying to install 10.1 I was really lacking the wiki. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 04:01:41PM +0200, jdd wrote: <snip>
And trying to install 10.1 I was really lacking the wiki.
So you needed to wait two days. Was it that difficult? Just out of curiousity, what information were you lacking that you could not get anywhere else? Sites go down. These things happen. Still no reason to get a off-line version. It is just a website. A great one, but just a website. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau
jdd wrote:
houghi wrote:
A website is intended for people with Internet access.
houghi and a connection fail? a network card problem? travelling through train or plane? working outside network?
jdd
Just to add two scenarios that are still very common. One is on dialup and can't keep the phone busy all day long, but still want to contribute in some way. This is scenario that affects a lot of younger users where parents have no much interest in computers, so they have dialup and have to live with. They fiddle around to get online using Linux, and it is not easy. Than Internet access charged by usage time, that is probably present in many places, where you can't afford to hang online for a days. BTW, it would be huge success for Linux to have few major providers of dialup with Linux interface ;-) -- Regards, Rajko.
On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 08:48:26AM -0500, Rajko M wrote:
One is on dialup and can't keep the phone busy all day long, but still want to contribute in some way. This is scenario that affects a lot of younger users where parents have no much interest in computers, so they have dialup and have to live with. They fiddle around to get online using Linux, and it is not easy.
I have used Linux with dialup and had absolutely no problem with it. I also was in a situation where my parents would not let me get online. So all I did was off-line. And you know what? I survived.
Than Internet access charged by usage time, that is probably present in many places, where you can't afford to hang online for a days.
Such is life. I was in such a situation as well and lived. Go online, look things up and go offline again.
BTW, it would be huge success for Linux to have few major providers of dialup with Linux interface ;-)
Sorry? As far as I know you can make a connection with any provider using Linux. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau
houghi wrote: <snip>
BTW, it would be huge success for Linux to have few major providers of dialup with Linux interface ;-)
Sorry? As far as I know you can make a connection with any provider using Linux.
houghi
Probably there was a lot of changes since I switched to broadband. Something like this wasn't here only few years ago: http://www.netzero.net/signup/requirements.html?cf=wwwb1 -- Regards, Rajko.
On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 11:31:06AM -0500, Rajko M wrote:
Probably there was a lot of changes since I switched to broadband. Something like this wasn't here only few years ago: http://www.netzero.net/signup/requirements.html?cf=wwwb1
Crazy is all I can say. An ISP should not look at the OS. Now with many ADSL and Cable, it also realy does not matter anymore. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau
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Christian Boltz
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houghi
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jdd
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Marcus Rueckert
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Peter Flodin
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Rajko M