On Tuesday 10 August 2010 04:49:22 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> On 10.08.2010 05:55, Rajko M. wrote:
> > Having separate wiki.o.o was advantage with en.o.o
> > 
> > With language wikis is different.
> > They don't have backward compatibility problem, all they have now is
> > problem how to get in sync with en.o.o.
> > 
> > What is advantage of just updating?
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Disadvantage:
> > 
> > 1. A lot of article deletions
> > 
> > 2. There is need for careful planning, like listing articles in few
> 
> > categories:
> 3. A lot of templates, articles and icons have the same name. That means
> you have to take care that each and every article that uses them is
> adapted to fit the new stuff once you change them. That can mean a lot
> of (temporary) breakage in the live wiki opposed to a atomic change when
> we use a temporary wiki.

There is much smaller number of anything in language wikis. 
In ru.o.o someone already tried to start sync ru wiki with en.o.o, but missing 
namespaces and extensions prevented him/her from doing that. 

> 4. You have to take extra care of old cruft. It doesn't go away
> automatically with the switch. You have to touch each and every page
> opposed to only the pages that matter (and the pages you forget ;-).

That is the same as 2.

> 5. We don't have any real life experience with this opposed to a step by
> step script (Help:Transfer) to do it in a temporary wiki. Which we also
> already have gone through twice and ironed out problems (with en.o.o and
> de.o.o).
> 
> Especially the last reason, given the complexity of this task, is the
> reason i would do it with a temporary wiki.

A lot of stuff that is important for the new organization can exist in 
parallel with old. Few that don't can be listed, prepared for change and 
changed in a short period of time, for instance during the night in that part 
of the world. 

In any case we have to list mandatory pages in similar fashion I did once, 
with all details, not just page titles, but all transcluded stuff too. 

To make idea what is needed we can update only wikis that want that, ie. 
respond to this email, and then start. I can help with ru.o.o as at least I 
can read Russian. 

For me major reason is that I expect relatively slow process that will give 
visitors chance to adjust to new stuff.

Candidates for update in place, without external temporary wiki, please 
answer. 

> Henne

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Rajko
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2010-08-11 13:26, Rajko M. wrote:

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Candidates for update in place, without external temporary wiki, please answer.

IMO, that is preferable, but I'm not a wiki mantainer. Just an sporadic writer. I write text, not nice paraphernalia, that's for others :-)

It may also be a good idea to ask on the localized ML (opensuse-es, -ru, etc.) as I'm not sure if all the maintainers read this list (?). Concerning the FR wiki, we clearly don't have the manpower to do the transition yet. Also, it is currently a low priority issue for me. Regards, R. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On 2010-08-13 06:48, Rajko M. wrote:

On Wednesday 11 August 2010 08:13:24 Rémy Marquis wrote:

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On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:

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On 2010-08-11 13:26, Rajko M. wrote:

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Candidates for update in place, without external temporary wiki, please answer.

IMO, that is preferable, but I'm not a wiki mantainer. Just an sporadic writer. I write text, not nice paraphernalia, that's for others :-)

Carlos you can contact admins and see what is their opinion.

I have no idea who they might be.

...

It may also be a good idea to ask on the localized ML (opensuse-es, -ru, etc.) as I'm not sure if all the maintainers read this list (?).

Agree, although they should follow this list too.

There are no wiki related emails in the -es list, but my memory is not that good. Now and then we see an sporadic (one in several months) question of some one asking who to contact. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))

On 2010-08-16 20:27, jdd wrote:

Le 16/08/2010 14:51, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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I have no idea who they might be.

if some are not here, a call on user list could find them :-)

If they existed, they would already have said so here. There is no other list I know about where they should be. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))