[opensuse-web] New layout of MainPage
Hi, I tried to make new layout of Czech wiki MainPage based on Template:Portal. I know, no other language wiki has this layout at MainPage, so what do you think? Is it better? Or should I return to classic page as is in English wiki? Next thing is, that GetIt button is ugly on this page (except www.opensuse.org) and quite out-of-date because of PPC media. What about to try make a new image? Can anybody do it? Thanks for replies. Jan Papež (honyczek) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-web+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-web+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, On 31.08.2012 15:44, honyczek-mailing@email.cz wrote:
I tried to make new layout of Czech wiki MainPage based on Template:Portal. I know, no other language wiki has this layout at MainPage, so what do you think?
Why did you do that?
Is it better?
No, definitely not.
Or should I return to classic page as is in English wiki?
I would suggest so. The wiki's main pages are not the landing page for the project. http://www.opensuse.org/cs/ is. Don't make the main page into something it isn't. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-web+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-web+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:46:27 +0200
Henne Vogelsang
Hey,
On 31.08.2012 15:44, honyczek-mailing@email.cz wrote:
I tried to make new layout of Czech wiki MainPage based on Template:Portal. I know, no other language wiki has this layout at MainPage, so what do you think?
Why did you do that?
Few reasons why one would want to change current static page: 1) To make page a bit more representative of activity that is not visible with static page like en.o.o. The project landing page is hardly any better once release hype is over. It still tells "It is November 16, 2011 ...". 2) To lower number of clicks to some important stuff, like download links. 3) First time visitors will lose contact with "Get it" after following "Discover it". I know where to find Download, but how good is top navbar in catching visitor attention? Not much. That is how it should be, so top navbar is not replacement for important links. Why attention to wiki main page? English Wiki is 4th most visited server in opensuse.org domain. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/opensuse.org# Check Traffic tab. As of today: forums.o.o 43.55% opensuse.org 22.47% software.o.o 16.18% en.o.o 13.54% download.o.o 6.58% lists.o.o 5.95% doc.o.o 4.09% de.o.o 3.24%
... The wiki's main pages are not the landing page for the project.
It should be http://www.opensuse.org/cz/ :) Also, it is one of better kept secrets how to change that page :) -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-web+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-web+owner@opensuse.org
Hi,
------------ Původní zpráva ------------ Od: Rajko
Předmět: Re: [opensuse-web] New layout of MainPage Datum: 01.9.2012 02:51:05 ---------------------------------------- On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:46:27 +0200 Henne Vogelsang wrote: On 31.08.2012 15:44, honyczek-mailing@email.cz wrote:
I tried to make new layout of Czech wiki MainPage based on Template:Portal. I know, no other language wiki has this layout at MainPage, so what do you think?
Why did you do that?
Few reasons why one would want to change current static page:
3) First time visitors will lose contact with "Get it" after following "Discover it". I know where to find Download, but how good is top navbar in catching visitor attention? Not much. That is how it should be, so top navbar is not replacement for important links.
you're right.
English Wiki is 4th most visited server in opensuse.org domain.
It's interesting and could be expected.
It should be http://www.opensuse.org/cz/ :)
I don't think so. It's a little bit confusing, but according to some ISO standard (eg? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639). I don't know why are there two codes for the Czech Repoublic. CZ in TLD and International vehicle registration codes and CS in another places... Thanks for your opinion. Jan Papež (honyczek) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-web+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-web+owner@opensuse.org
------------ Původní zpráva ------------ Od: Henne Vogelsang
Předmět: Re: [opensuse-web] New layout of MainPage Datum: 31.8.2012 16:49:40 On 31.08.2012 15:44, honyczek-mailing@email.cz wrote:
I tried to make new layout of Czech wiki MainPage based on Template:Portal. I know, no other language wiki has this layout at MainPage, so what do you think?
Why did you do that?
I think the Portal-look is well-arranged. The MainPage is more than article. Better I think it's a general introducing portal as well as any other portal like Portal:Distribution, Portal:12.1 etc. Next thing is, that in Google search (czech) "opensuse" is cs.opensuse.org on the first position.
Or should I return to classic page as is in English wiki?
I would suggest so. The wiki's main pages are not the landing page for the project.
http://www.opensuse.org/cs/ is.
Don't make the main page into something it isn't.
I didn't want to make a new landing page, but well-arranged content of MainPage. I have to admit that i don't like www.opensuse.org/cs/ because it's too abstract and not well localised. Get It, Discover It and Create It are still in English and can confuse BFU. What about Download, Read more and Join? Thanks for your opinion. Jan Papež (honyczek) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-web+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-web+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, On 03.09.2012 09:14, honyczek-mailing@email.cz wrote:
------------ Původní zpráva ------------ Od: Henne Vogelsang
Předmět: Re: [opensuse-web] New layout of MainPage Datum: 31.8.2012 16:49:40 On 31.08.2012 15:44, honyczek-mailing@email.cz wrote:
I tried to make new layout of Czech wiki MainPage based on Template:Portal. I know, no other language wiki has this layout at MainPage, so what do you think?
Why did you do that?
I think the Portal-look is well-arranged. The MainPage is more than article. Better I think it's a general introducing portal as well as any other portal like Portal:Distribution, Portal:12.1 etc. Next thing is, that in Google search (czech) "opensuse" is cs.opensuse.org on the first position.
That's the "fault" of the landing page and should be fixed there and not circumvented on the wiki main page imho. The wiki main page has it's own purpose, it's supposed to inform you about the wiki, what's the main content there and what can you do to help make it better.
Or should I return to classic page as is in English wiki?
I would suggest so. The wiki's main pages are not the landing page for the project.
http://www.opensuse.org/cs/ is.
Don't make the main page into something it isn't.
I didn't want to make a new landing page,
But you did :) No matter you intentions you handle the wiki main page not as entry page for the wiki but as entry page for all of the project's content.
but well-arranged content of MainPage.
A lot of the content you introduced links away from the wiki (to software, to news etc.) and you promote arbitrary content (joining is equal to supporting and promoting) over the full picture of what this wiki is for/about. I get your intent, but the action should go into the landing page and not into the wiki main page. The wiki serves a different purpose. It's the distributions promo space, the project collaboration space and a large part of the wiki is about the wiki itself.
I have to admit that i don't like www.opensuse.org/cs/
We all totally agree here. Our landing page is horrible. Please do something about that on the landing page and not on the wiki main page :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-web+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-web+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, Dne Po 3. září 2012 13:22:31, Henne Vogelsang napsal(a):
I think the Portal-look is well-arranged. The MainPage is more than article. Better I think it's a general introducing portal as well as any other portal like Portal:Distribution, Portal:12.1 etc. Next thing is, that in Google search (czech) "opensuse" is cs.opensuse.org on the first position.
The wiki main page has it's own purpose, it's supposed to inform you about the wiki, what's the main content there and what can you do to help make it better.
so the problem isn't the layout, but the content, which I took from the latest version of MainPage. Ok? So I remove that unwanted content (download link, news feed and How to join), keep the layout and the MainPage becomes right. (It's done.) Or not?
I have to admit that i don't like www.opensuse.org/cs/
We all totally agree here. Our landing page is horrible. Please do something about that on the landing page and not on the wiki main page :)
Ok, but landing page is not part of Wiki. Maybe in future, it could be launched a contest for the best landing page proposals (layout and content). Jan Papež (honyczek) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-web+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-web+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, On 03.09.2012 17:25, Jan Papež wrote:
so the problem isn't the layout, but the content, which I took from the latest version of MainPage. Ok? So I remove that unwanted content (download link, news feed and How to join), keep the layout and the MainPage becomes right. (It's done.) Or not?
Sure but why you want to deviate from the main page layout every other wiki has is beyond me. But it's "your" wiki, do as you please :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-web+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-web+owner@opensuse.org
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