Finally using a Linux mailer
I have finally configured my system to let me use a Linux mail client from my Windows PC. Hopefully my messages will now get threaded properly. :-) I'm using evolution. Does that have a way to group messages into threads? Or is the purpose of threading just in the archives? FYI: What I'm doing. I have Win2K installed on my PC for business reasons. (I have to run Goldmine.) I have cygwin/XFree86 installed to give me a X desktop. Then I ssh over to my Linux box in the lab and run evolution with the display coming back to my local XFree86 setup. Seems to be working so far, but I don't have any resize ability on the windows. Hopefully I can figure out how to do that shortly. HTH Greg -- Greg Freemyer
On Thursday 19 June 2003 3:33 pm, Greg Freemyer wrote:
I have finally configured my system to let me use a Linux mail client from my Windows PC.
Hopefully my messages will now get threaded properly. :-)
I'm using evolution.
Does that have a way to group messages into threads? Or is the purpose of threading just in the archives?
Select the folder you want to thread, then check the thread this folder option on one of the menus. Don't think there's a global setting, unfortuneatley. -- Geoff Beaumont Geoff@stormhammer.com
On Thursday 19 June 2003 7:33 am, Greg Freemyer wrote:
I have finally configured my system to let me use a Linux mail client from my Windows PC.
At first I thought this was a non-sequitor, but I read on...
FYI: What I'm doing.
I have Win2K installed on my PC ... I have cygwin/XFree86 installed to give me a X desktop. Then I ssh over to my Linux box in the lab and run evolution
Aha! "now it makes sense" ;)
Seems to be working so far, but I don't have any resize ability on the windows.
Essentially that second step above [cygwin/XFree86] needs to be running "a window manager" -- this is something like KDE, Gnome, Windowmaker, FVWM, and so on. In the gorey technical details part, "the first program" that you run under the X environment becomes the window manager, even if it isn't suited for the task. In your case, I suspect that Evolution is being run "as the window manager" (which it doesn't really know how to do) hence it doesn't know what to do to accomplish "resizing" and/or window placement and so on. -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net
On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 02:29, Tom Emerson wrote:
In the gorey technical details part, "the first program" that you run under the X environment becomes the window manager, even if it isn't suited for the task.
There is no rule that says the window manager has to be the first program run. As an example, try starting X with startx /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm That will give you an X with nothing running except the xterm, no window manager at all. Then in that xterm, run - for example - mwm, and witness the window decorations appear
On Thursday 19 June 2003 5:40 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 02:29, Tom Emerson wrote:
... "the first program" that you run ... becomes the window manager
There is no rule that says the window manager has to be the first
Hmmm... I stand corrected. Of course, "I no longer remember where I read it, but..." that was my understanding of how X worked. [this may have been a couple releases back as well]
As an example, try starting X with
startx /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm
That will give you an X with nothing running except the xterm, no window manager at all. Then in that xterm, run - for example - mwm, and witness the window decorations appear
I'll believe you for the moment, but I suspect there is a little bit of misdirection going on here by using xterm as an example. Basically, xterm lets you execute an arbitrary program [via a command line interface]; because of this, you can indeed start "a window manager" and all is well. I suspect that if you start with Evolution [which I'm guessing is what the original user did] you do NOT have the ability to execute an "arbitrary" program [i.e., evolution does not make a menu item or command option for such] and therefore you (effectively) cannot start a window manager of any sort -- kind of like finding a roadblock in the middle of your favorite shortcut to home from work (or school...) ;) -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net
On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 02:58, Tom Emerson wrote:
I'll believe you for the moment, but I suspect there is a little bit of misdirection going on here by using xterm as an example. Basically, xterm lets you execute an arbitrary program [via a command line interface]; because of this, you can indeed start "a window manager" and all is well. I suspect that if you start with Evolution [which I'm guessing is what the original user did] you do NOT have the ability to execute an "arbitrary" program [i.e., evolution does not make a menu item or command option for such] and therefore you (effectively) cannot start a window manager of any sort -- kind of like finding a roadblock in the middle of your favorite shortcut to home from work (or school...) ;)
Fair enough, do this then With no X running startx /opt/gnome2/bin/evolution or whatever the path is to the version you have. Note that you don't have window borders or the ability to resize; no window manager is running. Then ctrl+alt+f2 to go to a console, log in as the same user who started evolution, and do export DISPLAY=:0.0 mwm& and switch back to X with ctrl+F7 and resize to your heart's content
On Thursday 19 June 2003 6:05 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 02:58, Tom Emerson wrote:
I'll believe you for the moment, but I suspect there is a little bit of misdirection going on here by using xterm as an example. ...
Fair enough, do this then startx /opt/gnome2/bin/evolution
Note that you don't have window borders or the ability to resize ... Then ctrl+alt+f2 to go to a console, log in as the same user who started evolution, and do
export DISPLAY=:0.0 mwm&
and I think we've reached a solution for the original poster, however the "ctl-alt-<f2>" might be a bit of a red-herring -- the user is running from a WINDOWS machine, not a linux workstation. In this case, the "export DISPLAY" should direct the X output to be his windows system [which is is presumably already doing to get evolution to display on his windows system in the first place] Long story short, however, is still that he should be starting a display manager instead of evolution, and from THERE he should start evolution(*). Of course, the presumption that he is doing "startx .../evolution" was a guess on my part to begin with -- checking back at the start of the thread I see he said:
I have cygwin/XFree86 installed to give me a X desktop.
Then I ssh over to my Linux box in the lab and run evolution with the display coming back to my local XFree86 setup.
so in reality it would appear he is doing "startx" from [essentially] a DOS prompt on his windows system -- obviously he cannot be starting "evolution" as part of the startx invocation! Tom (*) or, once he has ssh'd to the linux machine, he should issue the command(s) mwm&; evolution& to get both running on his windows machine... -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net
I have cygwin/XFree86 installed to give me a X desktop.
Then I ssh over to my Linux box in the lab and run evolution with the display coming back to my local XFree86 setup.
so in reality it would appear he is doing "startx" from [essentially] a DOS prompt on his windows system -- obviously he cannot be starting "evolution" as part of the startx invocation!
Tom
(*) or, once he has ssh'd to the linux machine, he should issue the command(s)
mwm&; evolution&
to get both running on his windows machine...
Tom, Your close. I was effectively doing: startx; twm &; ssh target evolution & For some reason twm is not letting me resize. I just tried mwm, and it also is not letting me resize. I have not tried running twm/mwm from the target because I have several SuSE boxes I would like to be able to manage from my single desktop. I guess it is time to review the archives for the cygwin/XFree86 list. Thanks Greg -- Greg Freemyer
I found that resizing works if I use the fvwm2 window manager. BTW: That is included with the cygwin/XFree86 distro. Greg On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 13:49, Greg Freemyer wrote:
I have cygwin/XFree86 installed to give me a X desktop.
Then I ssh over to my Linux box in the lab and run evolution with the display coming back to my local XFree86 setup.
so in reality it would appear he is doing "startx" from [essentially] a DOS prompt on his windows system -- obviously he cannot be starting "evolution" as part of the startx invocation!
Tom
(*) or, once he has ssh'd to the linux machine, he should issue the command(s)
mwm&; evolution&
to get both running on his windows machine...
Tom,
Your close.
I was effectively doing:
startx; twm &; ssh target evolution &
For some reason twm is not letting me resize.
I just tried mwm, and it also is not letting me resize.
I have not tried running twm/mwm from the target because I have several SuSE boxes I would like to be able to manage from my single desktop.
I guess it is time to review the archives for the cygwin/XFree86 list.
Thanks Greg -- Greg Freemyer
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Greg Freemyer wrote:
I have Win2K installed on my PC for business reasons. (I have to run Goldmine.)
I have cygwin/XFree86 installed to give me a X desktop.
Then I ssh over to my Linux box in the lab and run evolution with the display coming back to my local XFree86 setup.
Seems to be working so far, but I don't have any resize ability on the windows.
You need to install your favorite windowmanager in cygwin, then call it from the script that contains "start xwin" For example, I chose windowmaker from the cygwin installer Then I call .xinitrc from the startxwin.bat I use to start X start /B bash /home/dcorking/.xinitrc .xinitrc just contains this :- #!/bin/bash ssh-agent wmaker If this works, then ALT-rightmousebutton resizes windows. Have fun!
Thanks, I've been using KDE for cygwin/XFree86 as my desktop for a couple of weeks now. It works pretty well. Greg On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 15:16, David wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Greg Freemyer wrote:
I have Win2K installed on my PC for business reasons. (I have to run Goldmine.)
I have cygwin/XFree86 installed to give me a X desktop.
Then I ssh over to my Linux box in the lab and run evolution with the display coming back to my local XFree86 setup.
Seems to be working so far, but I don't have any resize ability on the windows.
You need to install your favorite windowmanager in cygwin, then call it from the script that contains "start xwin"
For example, I chose windowmaker from the cygwin installer
Then I call .xinitrc from the startxwin.bat I use to start X
start /B bash /home/dcorking/.xinitrc
.xinitrc just contains this :-
#!/bin/bash
ssh-agent wmaker
If this works, then ALT-rightmousebutton resizes windows.
Have fun!
On Wed, 09 Jul 2003, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Thanks,
I've been using KDE for cygwin/XFree86 as my desktop for a couple of weeks now.
It works pretty well.
Seems to be working so far, but I don't have any resize ability on the windows.
Good news. Did you get window resize working with KDE then?
You need to install your favorite windowmanager in cygwin, then call it from the script that contains "start xwin"
For example, I chose windowmaker from the cygwin installer
Then I call .xinitrc from the startxwin.bat I use to start X
start /B bash /home/dcorking/.xinitrc
.xinitrc just contains this :-
#!/bin/bash
ssh-agent wmaker
If this works, then ALT-rightmousebutton resizes windows.
On Sun, 2003-07-13 at 15:17, David wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jul 2003, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Thanks,
I've been using KDE for cygwin/XFree86 as my desktop for a couple of weeks now.
It works pretty well.
Seems to be working so far, but I don't have any resize ability on the windows.
Good news. Did you get window resize working with KDE then?
Yeah, it just worked. No fiddling required. Using KDE for cygwin/XFree86 runs evolution almost flawlessly. (I use "ssh -X linux_box evolution" to start it up.) I have only noticed one problem with doing it that way. I can't cause a url in an e-mail to open Konq. (I can copy and paste the url). Unrelated to evolution, but I also have not figured out how to run Yast2 (for X) remotely. It appears the cygwin/XFree86 combo is missing something Yast2 wants. FYI: arkeia also works great. I have not tried too many other things. I am a CLI guy at heart. Greg -- Greg Freemyer
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