Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Re: broken email list usage and demands that users change to adapt to broken software...

Stan Goodman

6 Nov 2010 6 Nov '10

15:35

---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: [opensuse] Re: broken email list usage and demands that users change to adapt to broken software... Date: Saturday 06 November 2010 From: JB To: osdihfh@hsawuidgfeuih.org --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Stan Goodman wrote: <snip>

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Not to even mention her vocabulary.

Heh heh...I think you mean me, not her.

Not really funny.

And I'm supposed to give a shit, why? ------------------------------------------------------- That seems to be the problem, so there really is no surprise here. The curiosity is only that, in a forum that is careful about weeding out OT posts, nobody seems to be much concerned about your filthy language which does not add as much to the level of discourse as you may believe. The moderator (who has recently admitted that there is one) might consider defining limits to the kind of violent gutter talk that is allowed. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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John

6 Nov 6 Nov

18:07

On Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:35 Stan Goodman while crying buckets of tears and shredding his clothes, wrote:

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That seems to be the problem, so there really is no surprise here. The curiosity is only that, in a forum that is careful about weeding out OT posts, nobody seems to be much concerned about your filthy language which does not add as much to the level of discourse as you may believe. The moderator (who has recently admitted that there is one) might consider defining limits to the kind of violent gutter talk that is allowed.

Do you piss and moan and cry like a little schoolgirl who was just raped this much when you sit in church and your preacherman says 'damn' and 'hell' multiple times? I bet you don't. You know why...you're a hypocrite and a big pansy. Is calling you a big pansy considered "gutter talk"? Maybe to big pansies like you, Stan. Grow a pair why don't you. -- A møøse once bit my sister... Nø realli! She was Karving her initials øn the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: 'The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist', 'Fillings of Passion', 'The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink'... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Peter Nikolic

7 Nov 7 Nov

01:05

On Saturday 06 Nov 2010 18:07:15 John wrote:

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On Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:35 Stan Goodman while crying buckets of tears

and shredding his clothes, wrote:

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That seems to be the problem, so there really is no surprise here. The curiosity is only that, in a forum that is careful about weeding out OT posts, nobody seems to be much concerned about your filthy language which does not add as much to the level of discourse as you may believe. The moderator (who has recently admitted that there is one) might consider defining limits to the kind of violent gutter talk that is allowed.

Do you piss and moan and cry like a little schoolgirl who was just raped this much when you sit in church and your preacherman says 'damn' and 'hell' multiple times? I bet you don't. You know why...you're a hypocrite and a big pansy. Is calling you a big pansy considered "gutter talk"? Maybe to big pansies like you, Stan. Grow a pair why don't you.

This has gone far enough thank you if you are going to use language like that please clear off back to the forum you are neither welcome nor wanted on here Pete .. -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 3" 01:03 up 2 days 9:57, 4 users, load average: 0.14, 0.38, 0.43 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John

04:19

On Saturday, November 06, 2010 20:05 Peter Nikolic wrote:

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On Saturday 06 Nov 2010 18:07:15 John wrote:

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On Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:35 Stan Goodman while crying buckets of tears

and shredding his clothes, wrote:

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That seems to be the problem, so there really is no surprise here. The curiosity is only that, in a forum that is careful about weeding out OT posts, nobody seems to be much concerned about your filthy language which does not add as much to the level of discourse as you may believe. The moderator (who has recently admitted that there is one) might consider defining limits to the kind of violent gutter talk that is allowed.

Do you piss and moan and cry like a little schoolgirl who was just raped

this much when you sit in church and your preacherman says 'damn' and 'hell' multiple times? I bet you don't. You know why...you're a hypocrite and a big pansy. Is calling you a big pansy considered "gutter talk"? Maybe to big pansies like you, Stan. Grow a pair why don't you.

This has gone far enough thank you if you are going to use language like that please clear off back to the forum you are neither welcome nor wanted on here

Pete ..

Yeah, like you've never done it, right, Pete? Back off, you hypocrite. Besides, Stan asked for it. He replied with the one e-mail to me *PERSONALLY* and off- list. When he received an answer he didn't like, *which I kept off-list*, he decided he needed to let others in on it so he didn't feel so all alone, so he posted the *PERSONAL* and off-list post I made back to him here. A coward and nothing more and a scumbucket licker and deservedly so for his cowardly actions. -- A møøse once bit my sister... Nø realli! She was Karving her initials øn the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: 'The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist', 'Fillings of Passion', 'The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink'... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Peter Nikolic

08:48

On Sunday 07 Nov 2010 04:19:35 John wrote:

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On Saturday, November 06, 2010 20:05 Peter Nikolic wrote:

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On Saturday 06 Nov 2010 18:07:15 John wrote:

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On Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:35 Stan Goodman while crying buckets of tears

and shredding his clothes, wrote:

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That seems to be the problem, so there really is no surprise here. The curiosity is only that, in a forum that is careful about weeding out OT posts, nobody seems to be much concerned about your filthy language which does not add as much to the level of discourse as you may believe. The moderator (who has recently admitted that there is one) might consider defining limits to the kind of violent gutter talk that is allowed.

Do you piss and moan and cry like a little schoolgirl who was just raped

this much when you sit in church and your preacherman says 'damn' and 'hell' multiple times? I bet you don't. You know why...you're a hypocrite and a big pansy. Is calling you a big pansy considered "gutter talk"? Maybe to big pansies like you, Stan. Grow a pair why don't you.

This has gone far enough thank you if you are going to use language like that please clear off back to the forum you are neither welcome nor wanted on here

Pete ..

Yeah, like you've never done it, right, Pete? Back off, you hypocrite. Besides, Stan asked for it. He replied with the one e-mail to me *PERSONALLY* and off- list. When he received an answer he didn't like, *which I kept off-list*, he decided he needed to let others in on it so he didn't feel so all alone, so he posted the *PERSONAL* and off-list post I made back to him here. A coward and nothing more and a scumbucket licker and deservedly so for his cowardly actions. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hark at her

Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 3" 08:48 up 2 days 17:42, 4 users, load average: 0.16, 0.06, 0.02 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mailinglinglist Admin

8 Nov 8 Nov

12:09

New subject: [opensuse] [owner] This stops here!

People, I don't tolerate insults on this list! This thread is now closed. We are a community that values respect for other persons and their contributions, for other opinions and beliefs. We listen to arguments and address problems in a constructive and open way. We believe that a diverse community based on mutual respect is the base for a creative and productive environment enabling the project to be truly successful. Act like that! Henne -- http://lists.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Brian K. White

6 Nov 6 Nov

23:55

On 11/6/2010 11:35 AM, Stan Goodman wrote:

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Subject: Re: [opensuse] Re: broken email list usage and demands that users change to adapt to broken software... Date: Saturday 06 November 2010 From: JB To: osdihfh@hsawuidgfeuih.org

--- On Fri, 11/5/10, Stan Goodman wrote:

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Not to even mention her vocabulary.

Heh heh...I think you mean me, not her.

Not really funny.

And I'm supposed to give a shit, why?

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That seems to be the problem, so there really is no surprise here. The curiosity is only that, in a forum that is careful about weeding out OT posts, nobody seems to be much concerned about your filthy language which does not add as much to the level of discourse as you may believe. The moderator (who has recently admitted that there is one) might consider defining limits to the kind of violent gutter talk that is allowed.

I would dislike for others to be censored based on any particular persons or group of persons standards of decorum. Personal attacks I can see being disallowed. But: * Ppersonal attacks do not require profanity. * Profanity is not used solely for personal attacks. * While there may be a few things that almost everyone will agree to cnsider profanity, there are other things that some people consider profane and others would consider the censoring of it profane. So, I would say it's no ones business to even try to govern something as subjective as profanity. Let the social interactions shake themselves out naturally. If someone is distasteful, let everyone else simply find them distasteful. The penalty for that will happen all by itself. Perhaps they find no satisfaction here and go away. Perhaps they recover from their bad day/week/month and are no longer distasteful. Perhaps gradually they learn how and why to even bother to get along with others. Perhaps others do not find every little expletive distasteful in the first place because life is better with a little spice and heat and humor. Perhaps they stay distasteful and stay around but perhaps that doesn't prevent them from being _right_ and/or having valuable insight into technical matters. Perhaps they are both distasteful and technically valueless and even that is useful as a negative example to refer to once in a while. Perhaps it's better to have a little profanity than to allow the nanny logic any validity because that way leads eventually to things like web forum software that break technical data, ie rewriting a cd/dvd drive manufacturer/model string from "MATSHITA UJ892AS" into "MAT[* profanity *]A UJ892AS I would rather deal with a correct asshole than a polite dipshit ANY AND EVERY DAY. "sticks & stones" people. It's perhaps not _necessary_ to swear, but it's actually _counter-productive_ to care about merely seeing it. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Philipp Thomas

7 Nov 7 Nov

11:49

On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:55:24 -0400, "Brian K. White" wrote:

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Perhaps they are both distasteful and technically valueless and even that is useful as a negative example to refer to once in a while.

There are limits to that. For instance such language in court will get you fined very quickly. And where is the border between profanity and harassment?

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Perhaps it's better to have a little profanity

Where do you draw the line?

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"MATSHITA UJ892AS" into "MAT[* profanity *]A UJ892AS

Of cause that's stupid and you know that.

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It's perhaps not _necessary_ to swear, but it's actually _counter-productive_ to care about merely seeing it.

No, it's again a question of abiding to the rules of the medium you've chosen to use! It's your choice to not follow them but then you have to accept that others will kick you out. This is a mainling list with a clear topic and rules, not speakers corner in Hyde park. For now roughly 20 years I'm using email and am yet again astonished how the indirect way of communication makes people use wordings and behaviour that most wouldn't dare in direct personal communication ... Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

8 Nov 8 Nov

05:30

On 07/11/2010 22:49, Philipp Thomas wrote:

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On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:55:24 -0400, "Brian K. White" wrote:

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Perhaps they are both distasteful and technically valueless and even that is useful as a negative example to refer to once in a while.

There are limits to that. For instance such language in court will get you fined very quickly.

Well, not quite so. There was a case recently, but I cannot recall now if it was in Britain or America, where the judge made a ruling that using the f-word at a policeman was acceptable because it is now a commonly used words - used frequently in American Hollywood films in fact.

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And where is the border between profanity and harassment?

Good manners and upbringing and lack of? Being educated and being a redneck? Intelligence and stupidity?

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Perhaps it's better to have a little profanity

Where do you draw the line?

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"MATSHITA UJ892AS" into "MAT[* profanity *]A UJ892AS

Of cause that's stupid and you know that.

Not so, not so at all. My wife belonged to a couple of forums where her posts were disallowed - without any explanation, and one couldn't discuss why they were disallowed. However, one gathered, from how some other posts were written, that the words for she was temporarily "banned" were: "Shitake mushrooms", "skyscraper", "cocktail", and "cackatiel" which we owned. So she ended up writing "Shitake mushrooms" as "S*h*i*t*ake mushrooms" and everything was OK; and so were the other words once she "adjusted" the letters.

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It's perhaps not _necessary_ to swear, but it's actually _counter-productive_ to care about merely seeing it.

No, it's again a question of abiding to the rules of the medium you've chosen to use! It's your choice to not follow them but then you have to accept that others will kick you out. This is a mainling list with a clear topic and rules, not speakers corner in Hyde park.

Correct. Earlier this year there was one person who insisted that he had the right of Freedom of Speech as per the American Constitution's Bill of Rights and refused to alter his signature which was absolute bigotry against one particular, world-wide, religion. He wouldn't accept, even though requested to do so, that the American Bill of Rights just simply did not apply to this list - nor did it even apply in some cases brought before the USA courts. He got kicked out from all openSUSE lists for this. Prior to him, there was a foul-mouthed individual who was banned from these lists but kept coming back under different aliases until, finally, the "system" caught up with his tricks. I am now wondering if this person has now returned under the guise of "JB" and "John" ("John" is "JB" in disguise if you look at the message headers) and whose language and attitude is almost word for word like that of that banned person serving in US defence forces (last known destination: being re-assigned back to the middle-East). Oh, the brave and intelligent lad was good enough to provide a photograph of himself, saluting the camera in white gloves and marine uniform with snow as the background - I have a copy of that photo. Which is why I am wondering why this "John" is allowed to keep posting.

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For now roughly 20 years I'm using email and am yet again astonished how the indirect way of communication makes people use wordings and behaviour that most wouldn't dare in direct personal communication ...

Not only that but being given the ability to hide behind aliases and mail addresses/mail systems provided by ISPs is what makes it very bad. BC -- Great Man reaches complete understanding of the main issues; Petty Man reaches complete understanding of the minute details." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org