[opensuse] Favorite E-mail Clients

John Meyer

20 Nov 2006 20 Nov '06

03:09

I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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James Knott

20 Nov 20 Nov

03:15

John Meyer wrote:

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird.

I use Seamonkey. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

jdd

09:16

James Knott a écrit :

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John Meyer wrote:

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird.

I use Seamonkey.

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Lívio Cipriano

21:09

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I use Seamonkey.

I use Kontact and Kmail it's not the perfect e-mail software. However, Kontac has a great advantage over software that I know: It uses standard formats to save e-mails, cards and calendars. Does Seamonkey has it's formats as evolution? -- Regards, Lívio Cipriano -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Benjamin Rosenberg

03:24

On Nov 19, 2006, at 9:09 PM, John Meyer wrote:

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird.

I use Mutt for my work email and Mail (OS X) at home. - Ben -- Envy, n: Wishing you'd been born with an unfair advantage instead of having to try and acquire one. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

03:28

On Sunday 19 November 2006 19:09, John Meyer wrote:

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird.

The Mozilla Foundation makes a fabulous browser. The same cannot be said for their email and news software. KMail and KNode are still tops in my book. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

05:37

On Sunday 19 November 2006 19:09, John Meyer wrote:

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird.

Honestly, I really like and appreciate many of the features in Outlook 2003. Hence, it would have to be my favorite client. It has the features I need and want and does a great job. That said, I can't run Outlook on Linux, so I run KMail. I've tried thunderbird and keep coming back to this. -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

06:19

On 2006/11/19 21:37 (GMT-0800) Kai Ponte apparently typed:

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Honestly, I really like and appreciate many of the features in Outlook 2003. Hence, it would have to be my favorite client. It has the features I need and want

That may well be.

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and does a great job.

Of screwing up everyone's mail threading, since it fails to retain threading references, and enabling trojans, worms and virii to do their dirty work, not to mention facilitating top posting and broken quoting. You could run doz in a virtual machine on SUSE so as to keep your malware enabler enabled. My choice is cross-platform, easily teachable to anyone regardless of what they install it on. I manage to survive 600-800 emails on an average day with it. -- "Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven." Matthew 5:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

07:05

On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 01:19 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2006/11/19 21:37 (GMT-0800) Kai Ponte apparently typed:

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Honestly, I really like and appreciate many of the features in Outlook 2003. Hence, it would have to be my favorite client. It has the features I need and want

That may well be.

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and does a great job.

Of screwing up everyone's mail threading, since it fails to retain threading references, and enabling trojans, worms and virii to do their dirty work, not to mention facilitating top posting and broken quoting.

Is also encourages non-standard behavior, like setting the background image of an e-mail. What is that nonsense? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

14:06

On Sunday 19 November 2006 22:19, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2006/11/19 21:37 (GMT-0800) Kai Ponte apparently typed:

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Honestly, I really like and appreciate many of the features in Outlook 2003. Hence, it would have to be my favorite client. It has the features I need and want

That may well be.

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and does a great job.

Of screwing up everyone's mail threading, since it fails to retain threading references,

Not sure what that is.

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and enabling trojans, worms and virii to do their dirty work,

Those are not a portion of the client, but rather the underlying OS, which is inferior.

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not to mention facilitating top posting and broken quoting.

Yes, the top posting this is set by default. I've tried to wrangle my organizations to un-top-post, but they just won't. :P

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You could run doz in a virtual machine on SUSE so as to keep your malware enabler enabled.

Already do... http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/outlook_save.jpg ...that's an older picture, but you get the idea. I need it running to connect to my work email, when connected via VPN.

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My choice is cross-platform, easily teachable to anyone regardless of what they install it on. I manage to survive 600-800 emails on an average day with it.

Oh, it will work, I'm sure. I'm not discounting it. I'm just saying how I like the client. Outlook 2003 (not any previous version) is just a very nice to use client. -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

15:05

Kai, On Monday 20 November 2006 06:06, Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Sunday 19 November 2006 22:19, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2006/11/19 21:37 (GMT-0800) Kai Ponte apparently typed:

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and does a great job.

Of screwing up everyone's mail threading, since it fails to retain threading references,

Not sure what that is.

Then you need to learn about the In-Reply-To header, which is what makes nice hierarchical topic structures possible in contemporary, standards-based mail clients.

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and enabling trojans, worms and virii to do their dirty work,

Those are not a portion of the client, but rather the underlying OS, which is inferior.

You've got that really wrong. The underlying Windows OS kernel is just fine and well designed. It _is_ the fact that Outlook and Outlook Express will automatically invoke active content of the messages they receive (compounded by the ability of that code to access many local resource and initiate outgoing email) that makes them such a ripe portal of infection and transmission of malware of various sorts.

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Kai Ponte

15:42

On Monday 20 November 2006 07:05, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Kai,

On Monday 20 November 2006 06:06, Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Sunday 19 November 2006 22:19, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2006/11/19 21:37 (GMT-0800) Kai Ponte apparently typed:

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and does a great job.

Of screwing up everyone's mail threading, since it fails to retain threading references,

Not sure what that is.

Then you need to learn about the In-Reply-To header, which is what makes nice hierarchical topic structures possible in contemporary, standards-based mail clients.

Um, okay. I prefer flat listing in date order. My usenet client - Pan - is set the same way.

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and enabling trojans, worms and virii to do their dirty work,

Those are not a portion of the client, but rather the underlying OS, which is inferior.

You've got that really wrong. The underlying Windows OS kernel is just fine and well designed.

Heh. That's funny!

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It _is_ the fact that Outlook and Outlook Express will automatically invoke active content of the messages they receive (compounded by the ability of that code to access many local resource and initiate outgoing email) that makes them such a ripe portal of infection and transmission of malware of various sorts.

Again, the OS. If I ran active content on KMail or Thunderbird or whatever under *nix, I'm still only one user and cannot infect the system files, wherever they're located - /etc/fu/bar /bin/bash /usr/opt/home I use KMail on my laptop, simply because it is integrated and has a decent interface. There are - however - many things that I would like to see updated. They're all UI features that I think the Outlook client has it right for most - if not all - these desired features. Keep in mind - I'm discussing the client functionality, ease of use, intuitiveness (which is probably the same thing), customization, and speed. All of these are end-user experience features and very subjective. I am stating nothing about the underlying code, adherence to "standards", or security. I'm sure some email uber-geek out there will tell me all my arguments are bogus and that I should be using Mutt or Pine. :P -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

15:51

On Monday 20 November 2006 07:42, Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Monday 20 November 2006 07:05, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Of screwing up everyone's mail threading, since it fails to retain threading references,

Not sure what that is.

Then you need to learn about the In-Reply-To header, which is what makes nice hierarchical topic structures possible in contemporary, standards-based mail clients.

Um, okay.

I prefer flat listing in date order. My usenet client - Pan - is set the same way.

Is there _any_ mail client that won't do that?

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and enabling trojans, worms and virii to do their dirty work,

Those are not a portion of the client, but rather the underlying OS, which is inferior.

You are very confused about what's happening where.

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You've got that really wrong. The underlying Windows OS kernel is just fine and well designed.

Heh. That's funny!

I'm glad you're amused, but it is a fact. Are you a software designer?

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It _is_ the fact that Outlook and Outlook Express will automatically invoke active content of the messages they receive (compounded by the ability of that code to access many local resource and initiate outgoing email) that makes them such a ripe portal of infection and transmission of malware of various sorts.

Again, the OS. If I ran active content on KMail or Thunderbird or whatever under *nix, I'm still only one user and cannot infect the system files, wherever they're located - /etc/fu/bar /bin/bash /usr/opt/home

You're very confused. If we wrote an Outlook clone (gave it active content capabilities, access to local address books and the ability to send mail all without any user interaction) for Linux, it would have the same vulnerabilities.

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I use KMail on my laptop, simply because it is integrated and has a decent interface. There are - however - many things that I would like to see updated. They're all UI features that I think the Outlook client has it right for most - if not all - these desired features.

Fine. Make requests to the KMail project. They'll take them seriously.

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Keep in mind - I'm discussing the client functionality, ease of use, intuitiveness (which is probably the same thing), customization, and speed. All of these are end-user experience features and very subjective. I am stating nothing about the underlying code, adherence to "standards", or security.

Adherence to standards is very, very important for any application that operates in an Internet environment. One of Microsoft's biggest problems is their arrogant attitude about standards.

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I'm sure some email uber-geek out there will tell me all my arguments are bogus and that I should be using Mutt or Pine. :P

You should use almost anything other than one of the Outlooks. If you have to use an Exchange server, my heart goes out to you. Now _that_ is the dregs.

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Kai Ponte

18:45

On Monday 20 November 2006 07:51, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Monday 20 November 2006 07:42, Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Monday 20 November 2006 07:05, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Of screwing up everyone's mail threading, since it fails to retain threading references,

Not sure what that is.

Then you need to learn about the In-Reply-To header, which is what makes nice hierarchical topic structures possible in contemporary, standards-based mail clients.

Um, okay.

I prefer flat listing in date order. My usenet client - Pan - is set the same way.

Is there _any_ mail client that won't do that?

Dunno.

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and enabling trojans, worms and virii to do their dirty work,

Those are not a portion of the client, but rather the underlying OS, which is inferior.

You are very confused about what's happening where.

No, not confused. I don't think it is necessarily the responsibility of the client to handle security for the OS. If the client wants to run scripts, that should be fine and it is within the context of the OS to handle security outside of that client. If the OS allows software application X to write to the system, that is where the security lies.

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You've got that really wrong. The underlying Windows OS kernel is just fine and well designed.

Heh. That's funny!

I'm glad you're amused, but it is a fact.

I won't go into why I don't like the WinNT kernel, I'd probably get shot off for being OT, which this is straying, I think.

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Are you a software designer?

No, I'm a manager of software designers. :) Seriously, I've been programming since '79, and professionally since '92, when I graduated college.

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It _is_ the fact that Outlook and Outlook Express will automatically invoke active content of the messages they receive (compounded by the ability of that code to access many local resource and initiate outgoing email) that makes them such a ripe portal of infection and transmission of malware of various sorts.

Again, the OS. If I ran active content on KMail or Thunderbird or whatever under *nix, I'm still only one user and cannot infect the system files, wherever they're located - /etc/fu/bar /bin/bash /usr/opt/home

You're very confused. If we wrote an Outlook clone (gave it active content capabilities, access to local address books and the ability to send mail all without any user interaction) for Linux, it would have the same vulnerabilities.

Not likely. In linux - with the beautiful su capbility - I cannot mess up any system settings or applications. If I try to go in and modify any file under /bin or /sbin, then I would be flately denied. I like that. Yes, I could craft an application which causes a buffer overflow, thus potentially creating an issue, but it would be highly unlikely that such an application would spread very far. OTOH, under Windows, that same functionality doesn't exist. It is very hard to run Windows in lock down mode - trust me, I've tried - and be successful. I still remember hearing on the news that there was this big, "I Love You" virus that had hit the East Coast. I got into work early and tried to get to our Exchange server to patch it, so we wouldn't be affected. Unfortunately, the CEO had decided that was the day to come in very early. He saw an email from his buddy in New York, saying, "I Love You" and got curious.... What a mess!

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I use KMail on my laptop, simply because it is integrated and has a decent interface. There are - however - many things that I would like to see updated. They're all UI features that I think the Outlook client has it right for most - if not all - these desired features.

Fine. Make requests to the KMail project. They'll take them seriously.

I have. So far, I haven't heard anything back. <shrugs>

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Keep in mind - I'm discussing the client functionality, ease of use, intuitiveness (which is probably the same thing), customization, and speed. All of these are end-user experience features and very subjective. I am stating nothing about the underlying code, adherence to "standards", or security.

Adherence to standards is very, very important for any application that operates in an Internet environment. One of Microsoft's biggest problems is their arrogant attitude about standards.

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I'm sure some email uber-geek out there will tell me all my arguments are bogus and that I should be using Mutt or Pine. :P

You should use almost anything other than one of the Outlooks. If you have to use an Exchange server, my heart goes out to you. Now _that_ is the dregs.

...and I would. Being that I despise MS as a company, I would be happy to use any email client if I could. Unfortunately, we are still on Exchange 5.5 and cannot use Evolution or any other email client. (The connectors do not exist.) Again, I just brought up Outlook as an example of a fantastic UI and functional eMail client. If there were a better Outlook - and Kontakt comes close - I'd be all over it! -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

19:14

On Monday 20 November 2006 10:45, Kai Ponte wrote:

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I prefer flat listing in date order. My usenet client - Pan - is set the same way.

Is there _any_ mail client that won't do that?

Dunno.

There are non to speak of. All mail clients will provide a simple, date-ordered message list.

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and enabling trojans, worms and virii to do their dirty work,

Those are not a portion of the client, but rather the underlying OS, which is inferior.

You are very confused about what's happening where.

No, not confused. I don't think it is necessarily the responsibility of the client to handle security for the OS. If the client wants to run scripts, that should be fine and it is within the context of the OS to handle security outside of that client.

That is nonsense. The OS cannot know what larger-scale patterns of activity represent acceptable and unacceptable actions within the application program.

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If the OS allows software application X to write to the system, that is where the security lies.

And conversely: Preventing modification of system resources is far from sufficient to prevent malicious activities.

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You've got that really wrong. The underlying Windows OS kernel is just fine and well designed.

Heh. That's funny!

I'm glad you're amused, but it is a fact.

I won't go into why I don't like the WinNT kernel, I'd probably get shot off for being OT, which this is straying, I think.

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Are you a software designer?

No, I'm a manager of software designers. :)

Yeah. I know the type...

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Seriously, I've been programming since '79, and professionally since '92, when I graduated college.

Well, then I guess you just need more experience.

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It _is_ the fact that Outlook and Outlook Express will automatically invoke active content of the messages they receive (compounded by the ability of that code to access many local resource and initiate outgoing email) that makes them such a ripe portal of infection and transmission of malware of various sorts.

Again, the OS. If I ran active content on KMail or Thunderbird or whatever under *nix, I'm still only one user and cannot infect the system files, wherever they're located - /etc/fu/bar /bin/bash /usr/opt/home

You're very confused. If we wrote an Outlook clone (gave it active content capabilities, access to local address books and the ability to send mail all without any user interaction) for Linux, it would have the same vulnerabilities.

Not likely. In linux - with the beautiful su capbility - I cannot mess up any system settings or applications.

But you can write scripts and programs that do bad things such as DOS attacks and mail-bombing. Likewise, the vulnerabilities in Outlook remain even if the user running it has no administrative privileges.

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I still remember hearing on the news that there was this big, "I Love You" virus that had hit the East Coast. I got into work early and tried to get to our Exchange server to patch it, so we wouldn't be affected. Unfortunately, the CEO had decided that was the day to come in very early. He saw an email from his buddy in New York, saying, "I Love You" and got curious.... What a mess!

And that virus spread without using privileges beyond those available to non-administrative users. It spread solely based on the capabilities of Outlook itself. Again, a comparable program written for Linux or MacOS would have the same vulnerabilities.

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Carlos E. R.

12:06

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Honestly, I really like and appreciate many of the features in Outlook 2003. Hence, it would have to be my favorite client. It has the features I need and want

No question on personal tastes.

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and does a great job.

Ha! No way. It is broken. It breaks threading (seen pretty often here). It uses uncountable non standard features. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFYZpYtTMYHG2NR9URAsXdAJ4/CBNNZlthKdaCqyWaiWap4lZaoACfUAo6 1Y/vkew/11HaS1vImRllVsQ= =m0DF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Ogley

06:53

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird.

Depending on the context, I use Evolution and mutt. Probably Evo 70% of the time, mutt 30%. -- James Ogley james@usr-local-bin.org http://usr-local-bin.org GNOME for openSUSE: http://repos.opensuse.org/GNOME:/ Help end poverty: http://oxfam.org.uk/in -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Michal Hlavac

07:51

Dňa Po 20. November 2006 04:09 John Meyer napísal:

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird.

I used thunderbird. Then I switch to kmail, because it is integrated into kde. But some things are terrible in kmail: 1. Painfully slow filters on imap. Why kmail always download whole message??? Thunderbird filters 1000 messages in second. 2. Sorting threads. When new message arrives into older thread, this thread is not show on the top of the message list. This is good when you read mailing lists. There is no problem with this in thunderbird. 3. Why there is difference between online and offline imap account??? In thunderbird is one type of imap account and you can change this setting with one checkbox. 4. You can't see that thread contains unread messages if thread is collapsed. In thuderbird is title of thread underlined. Good things in kmail: 1. Integrated to KDE and kontact. 2. Tray icon support. I can choose folders which are included in new mail count.

John Meyer

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I also like the integrated Thunderbird RSS and news clients, though I don't like the way the news client doesn't allow you to get rid of news posts that you haven't read in order to clear up some of the clutter. On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 08:51 +0100, Michal Hlavac wrote:

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Dňa Po 20. November 2006 04:09 John Meyer napísal:

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird.

I used thunderbird. Then I switch to kmail, because it is integrated into kde. But some things are terrible in kmail:

1. Painfully slow filters on imap. Why kmail always download whole message??? Thunderbird filters 1000 messages in second.

2. Sorting threads. When new message arrives into older thread, this thread is not show on the top of the message list. This is good when you read mailing lists. There is no problem with this in thunderbird.

3. Why there is difference between online and offline imap account??? In thunderbird is one type of imap account and you can change this setting with one checkbox.

4. You can't see that thread contains unread messages if thread is collapsed. In thuderbird is title of thread underlined.

Good things in kmail:

1. Integrated to KDE and kontact.

2. Tray icon support. I can choose folders which are included in new mail count.

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Pavel Nemec

07:57

Dne Monday 20 November 2006 04:09 John Meyer napsal(a):

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird.

I used many mails so far, kmail, thunderbird, mail.app (MAC OS X), mullberry, opera (opera have great mail klient). I use kmail in work, because together with KDE integration it offer me more features. I hade about 2GB of mails and kmail have big problems with it (on imap, kmail is not good on imap :( ) I use mail.app and mulberry on Mac OS X. I will recomend you try mulberry. It is very ....diferent. And work absolutly great with imap. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulberry_(e-mail_client) Pavel -- Pavel Nemec Software Engineer https://wiki.innerweb.novell.com/index.php/SLEPOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- SuSE CR, s.r.o. e-mail: pnemec@suse.cz Lihovarska 1060/12 tel:+420 2 9654 2373 190 00 Praha 9 fax:+420 2 9654 2374 Ceska republika http://www.suse.cz

Doug McGarrett

19:47

At 08:09 PM 11/19/2006 -0700, John Meyer wrote:

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

I have used Eudora on various versions of Windows, and I like the native (not M/S imitating) interface. However, it is possible to get KMail to look very much like it. In other words, you can get a full-screen display of maybe 30 or so of the incoming mails, then double-click on the one you want to read, and get a full-screen display of that message. (A single click will just move you to a particular email, without opening it, which I really appreciate. I don't think anyone at all reads everything on the list, unless the list manager does.) In addition, KMail refuses to open html files without your permission--it just displays the raw code--and I'm not sure whether Eudora can do that. So if you trust the sender, you have the option of displaying html, and if you don't, just go down and read the text message. (I am assuming KMail has not changed these options, since I run it in SuSE 9.3.) And yes, this is being written in Eudora, but I've used KMail quite a bit, also. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rob Wright

21:29

On Monday 20 November 2006 13:47, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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At 08:09 PM 11/19/2006 -0700, John Meyer wrote:

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

I have used Eudora on various versions of Windows, and I like the native (not M/S imitating) interface.

Another one for the Eudora users. Since I switched to Linux full time I don't use Eudora any longer (yes, I could use it with Wine I know) but I'm hoping that since Qualcomm is open sourcing Eudora, that there will be a Linux native version before too long. It's just got some features I really miss that aren't available in anything else. At the moment I use KMail, my 2nd favorite client. Rob Wright suserob@poncacity.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

21:36

On Monday 20 November 2006 13:29, Rob Wright wrote:

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I have used Eudora on various versions of Windows, and I like the native (not M/S imitating) interface.

Another one for the Eudora users. Since I switched to Linux full time I don't use Eudora any longer (yes, I could use it with Wine I know) but I'm hoping that since Qualcomm is open sourcing Eudora, that there will be a Linux native version before too long. It's just got some features I really miss that aren't available in anything else.

I was a fan of Eudora for several years, even though it never have topic threads. Perhaps it does now or will when the open-source version is released. There were a few UI features I liked (dynamic grouping within message lists via ALT-click, e.g., and user-defined labels), but very little of its capabilities, as I recall them, are lacking in KMail.

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At the moment I use KMail, my 2nd favorite client.

KMail is definitely my top choice. I remember thinking Evolution might be nice, but at the time I looked at it a few years back I didn't have a 1600x1200 display, and it was pretty hoggish of screen real estate.

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Rob Wright

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Theo v. Werkhoven

19:58

Sun, 19 Nov 2006, by john.l.meyer@gmail.com:

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird.

I suggest you click on "Show all headers" (however that's done in your client), and see for your self what people use. Or, better yet, write a with a 5-10 line script to index your mailboxes and produce a table with all the clients and how many different senders use them. Use the tools you have, they're why Unix is so easy to do these things.. Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 9.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.8 + See headers for PGP/GPG info. Claimer: any email I receive will become my property. Disclaimers do not apply. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Jerry Feldman

24 Nov 24 Nov

23:20

Just a quick answer. I use Sylpheed-claws. It does everything I want and supports the mh directory structure, and also supports mbox and maildir (there is a maildir plugin). -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

Aveek Bhattacharya

1 Dec 1 Dec

05:48

Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:

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Sun, 19 Nov 2006, by john.l.meyer@gmail.com:

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird.

I suggest you click on "Show all headers" (however that's done in your client), and see for your self what people use. Or, better yet, write a with a 5-10 line script to index your mailboxes and produce a table with all the clients and how many different senders use them. Use the tools you have, they're why Unix is so easy to do these things..

Theo

Hello, And John, since you are using Thunderbird, you could also install the 'Display Mail User Agent' extension. -- Regards, Aveek Bhattacharya IIT Bombay -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Wolfgang Rosenauer

06:08

Aveek Bhattacharya wrote:

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And John, since you are using Thunderbird, you could also install the 'Display Mail User Agent' extension.

You probably mean just add: user_pref("mailnews.headers.showUserAgent", true); to your user.js? Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Thomas Hertweck

19:57

Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

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Aveek Bhattacharya wrote:

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And John, since you are using Thunderbird, you could also install the 'Display Mail User Agent' extension.

You probably mean just add: user_pref("mailnews.headers.showUserAgent", true); to your user.js?

The "Disply Mail User Agent" extension is a bit more than that. It shows you a little icon -- quite nice. https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/562/previews/ Cheers, Th. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Robert Smits

30 Nov 30 Nov

22:30

On Sunday 19 November 2006 19:09, John Meyer wrote:

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird.

K-mail. It can do everything I need, integrates well with the other apps in Kontact, has good filtering, and can download my mail securely. And it's KDE based, which is a plus in my view. -- Bob Smits Ph 250-245-2553 Fax 250-245-5531 E-mail bob@rsmits.ca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Brett I. Holcomb

1 Dec 1 Dec

00:04

At this time, KMail - it knows how to handle mail lists. The only issue with it is that it's not threaded so when it fetches mail you are interrupted in the middle of typing or have to wait when you first turn it on until it's fetched all the mail - which can be a while. There is a long thread on this on the KDE bugzilla. Yes, I could setup fetchmail to get the mail but A) I don't have time now and B) users shouldn't have to do that. On Thursday 30 November 2006 17:30, Robert Smits wrote:

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On Sunday 19 November 2006 19:09, John Meyer wrote:

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird.

K-mail. It can do everything I need, integrates well with the other apps in Kontact, has good filtering, and can download my mail securely. And it's KDE based, which is a plus in my view.

-- Bob Smits Ph 250-245-2553 Fax 250-245-5531 E-mail bob@rsmits.ca

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Patrick Shanahan

02:12

* Brett I. Holcomb [11-30-06 19:06]:

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Yes, I could setup fetchmail to get the mail but A) I don't have time now and B) users shouldn't have to do that.

Yes you could. It takes all of 5 minutes, maybe. Hint: fetchmailconf B. What _should_ users have to do? Hint, for a small fee there are any number of members of this list that will do it for you. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Brett I. Holcomb

02:34

Yup, I used to run fetchmail and I have the configs when I used it with Pine but I really don't want to have to dig into how to make Kmail talk to it at this point nor should I have to. It should be able to download/send mail while you are composing and not just stop or give a blank screen when downloading mail until it finally finishes and judging from the bugzilla discussion I'm not the only one. I hope that the maintainers get time to fix it. But I use it anyway at least for now. On Thursday 30 November 2006 21:12, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Brett I. Holcomb [11-30-06 19:06]:

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Yes, I could setup fetchmail to get the mail but A) I don't have time now and B) users shouldn't have to do that.

Yes you could. It takes all of 5 minutes, maybe. Hint: fetchmailconf

B. What _should_ users have to do? Hint, for a small fee there are any number of members of this list that will do it for you.

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Patrick Shanahan

03:21

* Brett I. Holcomb [11-30-06 21:41]:

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It should be able to download/send mail while you are composing and not just stop or give a blank screen when downloading mail until it finally finishes and judging from the bugzilla discussion I'm not the only one. I hope that the maintainers get time to fix it. But I use it anyway at least for now.

Sounds like you don't really like your professed favorite. Don't have any of those problems with postfix/procmail/fetchmail and mutt. And it will even post below the quoted text and allow trimming of irrelevant text and sigs. ps. I even carry my configs between new installs and upgrades. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Brett I. Holcomb

03:29

I like most everything but that one thing <G>. At this point it works well enough and I'll use it - the minus of the fetch is offset by the plus of it's mail list handling which is very intelligent. On Thursday 30 November 2006 22:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Brett I. Holcomb [11-30-06 21:41]:

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It should be able to download/send mail while you are composing and not just stop or give a blank screen when downloading mail until it finally finishes and judging from the bugzilla discussion I'm not the only one. I hope that the maintainers get time to fix it. But I use it anyway at least for now.

Sounds like you don't really like your professed favorite. Don't have any of those problems with postfix/procmail/fetchmail and mutt.

And it will even post below the quoted text and allow trimming of irrelevant text and sigs.

ps. I even carry my configs between new installs and upgrades. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

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Daniel Bertolo

06:38

Am Freitag, 1. Dezember 2006 04:21 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:

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And it will even post below the quoted text and allow trimming of irrelevant text and sigs.

Even KMail has great capabilities to do this :). You can mark the text you want to have quoted, type "r" to reply and you will just get the marked text as a quote in your mail. In addition, if you configure the folder in order to tell KMail that there is a mailing list in it, KMail will automatically take care of the mailing list footer. If you just click reply, it will remove the footer. These two features (mark-to-quote and signature-remover) are the main reason for me not to use Thunderbird, btw. Dani -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Pete Connolly

09:16

On Friday 01 December 2006 06:38, Daniel Bertolo wrote:

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Am Freitag, 1. Dezember 2006 04:21 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:

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And it will even post below the quoted text and allow trimming of irrelevant text and sigs.

Even KMail has great capabilities to do this :). You can mark the text you want to have quoted, type "r" to reply and you will just get the marked text as a quote in your mail.

In addition, if you configure the folder in order to tell KMail that there is a mailing list in it, KMail will automatically take care of the mailing list footer. If you just click reply, it will remove the footer.

These two features (mark-to-quote and signature-remover) are the main reason for me not to use Thunderbird, btw.

Dani

Also, if you type 'take a look at the attached file' in your email but don't attach anything, KMail will prompt you to attach something, which saves a few blushes when sending something around to a large number of people. :) Cheers Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

steve reilly

11:24

On Friday 01 December 2006 04:16, Pete Connolly wrote:

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Also, if you type 'take a look at the attached file' in your email but don't attach anything, KMail will prompt you to attach something, which saves a few blushes when sending something around to a large number of people. :)

Cheers

Pete

That IS a nice touch isnt it!!, I thought so too. -- This computer is powered by OpenSuse 10.2 6:21am up 1 day 10:06, 1 user, load average: 1.35, 0.56, 0.25 http://norwichlinuxusersgroup.com The software that took 7 billion, five years, and armies of programmers is now going to be the target of hacker attacks looking to prove a point: that no Microsoft software is secure. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Will Stephenson

10:34

On Friday 01 December 2006 03:34, Brett I. Holcomb said:

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It should be able to download/send mail while you are composing and not just stop or give a blank screen when downloading mail until it finally finishes and judging from the bugzilla discussion I'm not the only one. I hope that the maintainers get time to fix it.

Yes, we are working on it, but it's not a quick fix. Some design decisions were made very early in the life of KMail that limit it to serial operations. We're now addressing that with Akonadi for KDE 4 which is a separate process (personal daemon) for storing mail and other PIM data, and allowing KMail and other PIM apps to be reduced to lightweight viewer/editor shells. This requires a parallel design, of course. regards Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

21:25

On Friday 01 December 2006 01:34, Will Stephenson wrote:

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We're now addressing that with Akonadi for KDE 4 which is a separate process (personal daemon) for storing mail and other PIM data, and allowing KMail and other PIM apps to be reduced to lightweight viewer/editor shells. This requires a parallel design, of course.

Ok, Will, but please don't fix what isn't broke. Kmail is as slick as snot on a gold tooth, and I'd hate to see it "improved to death" by some kind of vulcan mind meld with an unproven new arrival. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

Dave Barton

02:24

On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 14:30 -0800, Robert Smits wrote:

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On Sunday 19 November 2006 19:09, John Meyer wrote:

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is. I've tried KMail and Evolution, but I keep coming back to Thunderbird.

K-mail. It can do everything I need, integrates well with the other apps in Kontact, has good filtering, and can download my mail securely. And it's KDE based, which is a plus in my view.

I wholeheartedly agree with Rob. The only thing that keeps me (and I know others) from switching from Evolution (good email client that it is) to Kmail, is the lack of features in the composition of HTML email (eg. in-line graphics). From what I can tell, the Kmail developers either do not believe there is a need for, or want to add full featured HTML email composing functionality. BTW. Please, let's not get into the protracted debate here about the rights and wrongs or security issues of HTML email. For those who only want or need plain text email (my personal preference), that's fine. However, I have a need to satisfy the requirements of my customers, which in many cases calls for the use of a full featured HTML email composer. They would quickly become "ex-customers" if I were to start commanding and demanding that they use some cog, bodge or workaround (eg. attachments, web links, etc) just to read a simple email. Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Will Stephenson

10:45

On Friday 01 December 2006 03:24, Dave Barton said:

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I wholeheartedly agree with Rob. The only thing that keeps me (and I know others) from switching from Evolution (good email client that it is) to Kmail, is the lack of features in the composition of HTML email (eg. in-line graphics). From what I can tell, the Kmail developers either do not believe there is a need for, or want to add full featured HTML email composing functionality.

It's neither of those. The situation is, we're a small team, rewriting for KDE 4 is a large job, and considering the balance of resources and priorities and timing, we're all working on the backend layers at the moment to make those really good for everyone. Also, we're all working on it as a personal project (I maintain it for SUSE but that is mainly oiling the gears) and none of us have a personal itch for HTML mail authoring to scratch. Hopefully, with the New! Improved! design, the frontend code will be simple and accessible enough (instead of a monolith) that someone with that itch will be able to bolt quanta's WYSIWYG html editor onto the kmail composer. Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

16:50

On Friday 01 December 2006 02:45, Will Stephenson wrote:

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On Friday 01 December 2006 03:24, Dave Barton said:

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I wholeheartedly agree with Rob. The only thing that keeps me (and I know others) from switching from Evolution (good email client that it is) to Kmail, is the lack of features in the composition of HTML email (eg. in-line graphics). From what I can tell, the Kmail developers either do not believe there is a need for, or want to add full featured HTML email composing functionality.

It's neither of those. The situation is, we're a small team, rewriting for KDE 4 is a large job, and considering the balance of resources and priorities and timing, we're all working on the backend layers at the moment to make those really good for everyone. Also, we're all working on it as a personal project (I maintain it for SUSE but that is mainly oiling the gears) and none of us have a personal itch for HTML mail authoring to scratch.

That is interesting to note. After several years of usin KMail, I hadn't noticed that it doesn't allow inline pictures. It does, however, allow for fonts and colors, if one prefers that. I just sent an email to my yahoo account and it came across in HTML just fine with the fonts and colors.

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Hopefully, with the New! Improved! design, the frontend code will be simple and accessible enough (instead of a monolith) that someone with that itch will be able to bolt quanta's WYSIWYG html editor onto the kmail composer.

Yeah, that'd be neat. I'm sure it would add to many people's pleasure. Then we'll be stuck getting emails from all the grannies with some pansy background image. :P -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Philipp Thomas

11:07

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is.

Just look at the mail header ;-) My MUA is mutt, as it's the IMHO most configurable one the is. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

13:38

* Philipp Thomas [12-01-06 06:08]:

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I'd like to know what you guys favorite e-mail client is.

Just look at the mail header ;-) My MUA is mutt, as it's the IMHO most configurable one the is.

agreed :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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