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This subject has been discussed a lot since last month update. A winning concept seems to have been to update cups to the most recent version in the Printing repository, thereby disabling cups.socket. However on my 13.1 and KDE 4.12 with a network HP printer there is one problem. CUPS web interface is there and the printer is found. I can print and scan. Everything seems to work for a while i.e. after some ten minutes LibreOffice looses contact with the printer. Other programs do not seem to have this problem. Restarting LibreOffice and it works for a while. The behaviour is independent of LibreOffice version. My present solution is to re enable cups.socket and then the problem is gone. Am I the only one with this problem?

I don't know about LO having problems, but I have found since upgrading to 13.1 that I can't use CUPS across the network at all. I can't even print a test page from CUPS.

Is that before or after applying updates? Ulf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott wrote:

Ulf Sassenberg wrote:

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Is that before or after applying updates? I haven't check for a couple of weeks. I found it wouldn't work and as I was busy I worked around it and haven't got back to trying again. However, it failed with both Linux and Windows 7 trying to print. Both had worked previously.

I just checked and it's still broken with the latest updates. netstat -tulnp | grep 631 shows it's still listening on localhost. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Ulf Sassenberg wrote:

If you mean security updates I fear this might be the reason. Look into the bug discussion I just mentioned to Patrick S. or simply try to revert to the original pre-security CUPS to see if this helps.

I'd prefer this be fixed properly. CUPS is supposed to work across the network. It is now broken. It's up to the developers to fix it. I don't do a lot of printing and I can work around it in the mean time. However, this goes to a long standing complaint of mine, where someone "improves" something until it's broken. I have seen this several times over the past few years. Dovecot and AppArmor was a recent example or the genius who decided you needed admin rights to connect to a WiFi hot spot or a new printer, thereby rendering the operating system useless for mobile users who don't have the admin password. There have been others. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 05:30:43PM -0500, James Knott wrote:

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James Knott wrote:

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Ulf Sassenberg wrote:

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Is that before or after applying updates? I haven't check for a couple of weeks. I found it wouldn't work and as I was busy I worked around it and haven't got back to trying again. However, it failed with both Linux and Windows 7 trying to print. Both had worked previously.

I just checked and it's still broken with the latest updates.

netstat -tulnp | grep 631 shows it's still listening on localhost.

The "fixed" update is not yet released.

You could edit or stop cups.socket on your machine.

Ciao, Marcus

Thank you. I am looking forward to this. As I said it is "almost" working with CUPS 1.5.4-144.1 and only cups.service enabled. Ulf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Ulf Sassenberg [02-23-14 15:49]:

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This subject has been discussed a lot since last month update.

guess I missed them

E.g. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=857372

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A winning concept seems to have been to update cups to the most recent version in the Printing repository, thereby disabling cups.socket.

Not been my experience.

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However on my 13.1 and KDE 4.12 with a network HP printer there is one problem.

And this sentence makes much difference, but still do not know which printer.

HP Officejet 6500

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CUPS web interface is there and the printer is found. I can print and scan.

I would think that using a "network" HP printer, one would use hplip as it has few failings in my experience. But I would advise assigning a permanent assress to the printer.

It does have a permanent ip.

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Everything seems to work for a while i.e. after some ten minutes LibreOffice looses contact with the printer. Other programs do not seem to have this problem. Restarting LibreOffice and it works for a while. The behaviour is independent of LibreOffice version. My present solution is to re enable cups.socket and then the problem is gone. Am I the only one with this problem?

Why are you using cups?

hplip was initially also unable to find the printer after the initial security update of CUPS. This is no longer a problem but I am used to CUPS since when there were many different printers to chose from at work. It simply should work. Ulf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Joachim Schrod [02-23-14 20:08]:

On 02/23/14 22:30, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Why are you using cups?

Could you please elaborate?

What other printing system/daemon is available with openSUSE in private/SOHO environments?

for hp: hplip and does not support *all* hp printers. Description : The Hewlett-Packard Linux Imaging and Printing project (HPLIP) provides a unified single and multifunction connectivity solution for HP printers and scanners (in particular, HP all-in-one devices). HPLIP provides unified connectivity for printing, scanning, sending faxes, photo card access, and device management and is designed to work with CUPS. It includes the Ghostscript printer driver HPIJS for HP printers and a special "hp" CUPS back-end that provides bidirectional communication with the device (required for HP printer device management). It also includes the SANE scanner driver "hpaio" for HP all-in-one devices. Basic PC send fax functionality is supported on a number of devices. The special "hpfax" CUPS back-end is required to send faxes. Direct uploading (i.e. without print and scan) of received faxes from the device to the PC is not supported. The "hp-toolbox" program is provided for device management. The "hp-sendfax" program must be used to send faxes. The "hp-setup" program can be used to set up HP all-in-one devices. The HPLIP project is open source software and uses GPL-compatible licenses. For more information, see: http://hplipopensource.com /usr/share/doc/packages/hplip/index.html cups is still necessary/employed but configuration and access via hplip rather than the cups interface. The cups interface may still be utilized but the hplip interface is quite different and provides information and control not provided by cups alone. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 02/24/14 02:24, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Joachim Schrod [02-23-14 20:08]:

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On 02/23/14 22:30, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Why are you using cups?

Could you please elaborate?

What other printing system/daemon is available with openSUSE in private/SOHO environments?

for hp: hplip

[... Description of HPLIP deleted, until ...]

cups is still necessary/employed but configuration and access via hplip rather than the cups interface.

HPLIP is a backend to CUPS, and optionally a management interface for printer capabilities. If you read your own posted description again, and as the 2nd-to-last cited line above notes, you can't use it to print without CUPS. Back to the original issue -- you wrote: Why are you using cups? I.e., you seem to think that CUPS is not needed; that one can deactivate it. To rephrase my question: How do you print something without CUPS? Best, Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod, Roedermark, Germany Email: jschrod@acm.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Joachim Schrod [02-24-14 06:54]:

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On 02/24/14 02:24, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Joachim Schrod [02-23-14 20:08]:

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On 02/23/14 22:30, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Why are you using cups?

Could you please elaborate?

What other printing system/daemon is available with openSUSE in private/SOHO environments?

for hp: hplip

[... Description of HPLIP deleted, until ...]

cups is still necessary/employed but configuration and access via hplip rather than the cups interface.

HPLIP is a backend to CUPS, and optionally a management interface for printer capabilities.

If you read your own posted description again, and as the 2nd-to-last cited line above notes, you can't use it to print without CUPS. Back to the original issue -- you wrote:

Why are you using cups?

I.e., you seem to think that CUPS is not needed; that one can deactivate it. To rephrase my question:

How do you print something without CUPS?

To rephrase my response :^), my answer/question was about configuring his hp networked printer with cps rather than hplip. I was not inferring that cups was not a needed package.

re: why are you using CUPS (your emphasis, to configure your printer)?

The answer to this specific question is it was set up with hplip from the very beginning, but it did not work after the CUPS update. But it is not necessary to use hplip with advanced HP postscript printers. At least I did not have to use it to connect with our many such printers at the University Campus. Ulf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org