[opensuse] Re: save rpm files from online update
Ben Kevan wrote:
On Thursday 01 November 2007 10:58:47 am Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
Coach-X wrote:
If I wanted zypper/yast to save the rpm files it downloads when doing an online update, how would this be done?
Please see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293100 and vote for it.
If I am not mistaken when an update is done it just downloads a Delta correct?
Also, I don't want those saved.. If I really wanted them why wouldn't I just go to the Update Repository?
Because it may be used for more than one system -- some people have no broadband connection and don't want to re-download every patch anew. Furthermore, some people have metered Internet connections and don't want to rsync and keep the whole archive, but only the parts that they have needed. Just yet another reason to use smart or apt, IMHO. Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod Email: jschrod@acm.org Roedermark, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 02 November 2007 05:51:05 am Joachim Schrod wrote:
Ben Kevan wrote:
On Thursday 01 November 2007 10:58:47 am Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
Coach-X wrote:
If I wanted zypper/yast to save the rpm files it downloads when doing an online update, how would this be done?
Please see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293100 and vote for it.
If I am not mistaken when an update is done it just downloads a Delta correct?
Also, I don't want those saved.. If I really wanted them why wouldn't I just go to the Update Repository?
Because it may be used for more than one system -- some people have no broadband connection and don't want to re-download every patch anew.
Furthermore, some people have metered Internet connections and don't want to rsync and keep the whole archive, but only the parts that they have needed.
Just yet another reason to use smart or apt, IMHO.
Joachim
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So for the few that want them it is being requested that the majority that don't want them should get them? If used for more then one system I would go to the update site and download, this is what I do for all my ESX Servers I run. This would almost be like saying Windows Updates should be saved on all machines then also on WSUS. Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ben Kevan wrote:
On Friday 02 November 2007 05:51:05 am Joachim Schrod wrote:
Ben Kevan wrote:
On Thursday 01 November 2007 10:58:47 am Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
Coach-X wrote:
If I wanted zypper/yast to save the rpm files it downloads when doing an online update, how would this be done?
Please see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293100 and vote for it.
If I am not mistaken when an update is done it just downloads a Delta correct?
Also, I don't want those saved.. If I really wanted them why wouldn't I just go to the Update Repository?
Because it may be used for more than one system -- some people have no broadband connection and don't want to re-download every patch anew.
Furthermore, some people have metered Internet connections and don't want to rsync and keep the whole archive, but only the parts that they have needed.
Just yet another reason to use smart or apt, IMHO.
Joachim
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod Email: jschrod@acm.org Roedermark, Germany
So for the few that want them it is being requested that the majority that don't want them should get them?
No, all he is requesting is the OPTION to save them. Nothing would force you or anyone else to keep them if you don't want them but the OPTION to do so should be there.
If used for more then one system I would go to the update site and download, this is what I do for all my ESX Servers I run. This would almost be like saying Windows Updates should be saved on all machines then also on WSUS.
Ben
Please don't compare *anything* about Windoze as justification for imposing unilateral decisions upon anyone. His system should not be constrained by the way Microsoft does things. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
No, all he is requesting is the OPTION to save them. Nothing would force you or anyone else to keep them if you don't want them but the OPTION to do so should be there.
What would this proposed option be set to?
Please don't compare *anything* about Windoze as justification for imposing unilateral decisions upon anyone. His system should not be constrained by the way Microsoft does things.
Richard
That statement cracked me up. People will say linux this linux that over MS, but I paint a picture using Microsoft and it's Don't bring them up don't say it.. That sir is pretty funny. I used it as an example of how it functions. With that said, I prefer Linux and also must manage Windows machines to make a living. Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ben, Ben Kevan wrote:
No, all he is requesting is the OPTION to save them. Nothing would force you or anyone else to keep them if you don't want them but the OPTION to do so should be there.
What would this proposed option be set to?
My suggestion is that it would default to NOT storing updates, but allow you to specify if, what and where you would like downloaded updates stored. <snip> I, and possibly many others in the world, do not have 'free' high speed internet connectivity and therefore would like to be able to keep the updates that are downloaded, in case a package is mistakenly uninstalled and needs reinstalling and updating. Regards Hylton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On November 2, 2007, Joachim Schrod wrote:
Because it may be used for more than one system -- some people have no broadband connection and don't want to re-download every patch anew.
This issue is what brought me to this list. I have long been frustrated that whenever I need to re-build a Yast-based configuration (which is very often) I must download the same RPMs over and over again. I have a broadband connection, but my provider is hinting that they are going to start metering to better manage the heavy downloading some users are doing. A fully configured Open-Suse build is several GB in size. I could download these files manually, but for gosh sakes, why would anyone think one should re-do manually what Yast is already doing automatically (dependency resolving and all)? All I ask is that -- please, can there be an OPTION to save downloaded RPMs locally? -- Timothy Cahill 301 Fulford-Ganges Rd. Salt Spring Island, BC, V8K 2K6 250-537-8409 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
and all)? All I ask is that -- please, can there be an OPTION to save downloaded RPMs locally? Until such a time as this is provided, you can set up a local repository and update from there. Start by populating it from the original cd/dvd you installed from. Use rsync to update it
On 24/11/2007, Timothy Cahill
Timothy Cahill schrieb:
A fully configured Open-Suse build is several GB in size. I could download these files manually, but for gosh sakes, why would anyone think one should re-do manually what Yast is already doing automatically (dependency resolving and all)? All I ask is that -- please, can there be an OPTION to save downloaded RPMs locally?
The only way I'm aware of is to rsync the repositories. Thus I'm keeping about 30GB of files on my hdd. ;) To find out what does a server have to offer use e.g: 'rsync -n ftp5.gwdg.de::' To rsync the files of let say packman repo and for i386 only use e.g.: rsync -tvrl --exclude=repodata/ --exclude=x86_64/ --exclude=i386/ --exclude=i486/ --exclude=media.1/ --exclude=setup/ --exclude=src --exclude=SRPMS/ --exclude=content --exclude=content.* --exclude=directory.* --exclude=gpg* --delete ftp5.gwdg.de::pub/linux/misc/packman/suse/10.2/ /srv/ftp/repos/10.2/packman/ More in 'man rsync' thx /j -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-11-24 at 14:50 -0800, Timothy Cahill wrote:
A fully configured Open-Suse build is several GB in size. I could download these files manually, but for gosh sakes, why would anyone think one should re-do manually what Yast is already doing automatically (dependency resolving and all)? All I ask is that -- please, can there be an OPTION to save downloaded RPMs locally?
I'd love to have this option BACK. Yes, I say back, because we had that option in SuSE 8 and 9, before we got zypper and zmd et families. It was removed, and not because it was not wanted, I guess. I'd love it because if, even if I only install two times, it saves hours of download on the second time. And I do have broadband, too. I wonder if we could use some kind of ftp proxy to do the job? That's not a good solution for everybody, but I dunno if it is possible. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHSLeXtTMYHG2NR9URAqCGAJ9pF0ZSpaHqFiM6C214BHYm6qQpegCeOk3N N707DaZ7mzii3wVU0194RyI= =b7oO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 00:45 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Saturday 2007-11-24 at 14:50 -0800, Timothy Cahill wrote:
A fully configured Open-Suse build is several GB in size. I could download these files manually, but for gosh sakes, why would anyone think one should re-do manually what Yast is already doing automatically (dependency resolving and all)? All I ask is that -- please, can there be an OPTION to save downloaded RPMs locally?
I'd love to have this option BACK.
Yes, I say back, because we had that option in SuSE 8 and 9, before we got zypper and zmd et families. It was removed, and not because it was not wanted, I guess.
You can easily do what you ask if you switch to "smart" for updates instead of the standard suse tools under yast. I have invoked the option of keeping all my updated or new rpms for about the past 12mths. This was in case I ever needed to build a duplicate system with all the latest packages or if needing to rebuild a stuffed system from scratch. I'm stuck on dialup and the thought of having to download Gbs of files to come up to date (from that offered on my install dvd) was too much to think about. Gavin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-11-25 at 15:36 +0900, Gavin Chester wrote:
I'd love to have this option BACK.
Yes, I say back, because we had that option in SuSE 8 and 9, before we got zypper and zmd et families. It was removed, and not because it was not wanted, I guess.
You can easily do what you ask if you switch to "smart" for updates instead of the standard suse tools under yast.
Not an option for me: I want the official tools only, or at least, mainly. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHSWeitTMYHG2NR9URAjDKAKCDx8EiSF1MWHP5jI3VfBL8n9Re1gCgkjCy PRDRf5/myqVEmxP9RCqz3FE= =PD0Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dňa Sunday 25 November 2007 13:16:32 Carlos E. R. ste napísal:
The Sunday 2007-11-25 at 15:36 +0900, Gavin Chester wrote:
I'd love to have this option BACK.
Yes, I say back, because we had that option in SuSE 8 and 9, before we got zypper and zmd et families. It was removed, and not because it was not wanted, I guess.
You can easily do what you ask if you switch to "smart" for updates instead of the standard suse tools under yast.
Not an option for me: I want the official tools only, or at least, mainly.
It's on our radar for 11.0, looking into it. Stano -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-11-26 at 10:34 +0100, Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:
It's on our radar for 11.0, looking into it.
Thanks! If you get it done, you will get a big cheer from many of us :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHStEFtTMYHG2NR9URAs6PAJ4vAesu0w0CuL1R0DuIFpeDgI8MuACgiz99 LSAEZHr8Ld6GM4unON/0dgY= =rXUE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:
Dňa Sunday 25 November 2007 13:16:32 Carlos E. R. ste napísal:
The Sunday 2007-11-25 at 15:36 +0900, Gavin Chester wrote:
I'd love to have this option BACK.
<snip>
Not an option for me: I want the official tools only, or at least, mainly.
It's on our radar for 11.0, looking into it.
:)) Hope it manages to get included as it really will be a smack around the face for Microsoft, and also REAL useful for those who are on low band connections, asides from being able to update the store from a DVD that they perhaps downloaded at a local internet cafe. Hylton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2007-11-25 at 15:36 +0900, Gavin Chester wrote:
I'd love to have this option BACK.
Yes, I say back, because we had that option in SuSE 8 and 9, before we got zypper and zmd et families. It was removed, and not because it was not wanted, I guess.
You can easily do what you ask if you switch to "smart" for updates instead of the standard suse tools under yast.
Not an option for me: I want the official tools only, or at least, mainly.
Here here. I REALLY hope they bring back the function to save RPMs and patches with the YOU tool. A proxy in all theory might work but it would require a separate box and or HDD in the current machine. A better option is to provide a YAST GUI to set up a software store/repository on an existing fs, perhaps under /home as most people keep, or at least should keep, a backup of this folder. Hylton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-12-04 at 07:21 +0200, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: ...
Here here. I REALLY hope they bring back the function to save RPMs and patches with the YOU tool. A proxy in all theory might work but it would require a separate box and or HDD in the current machine. A better option is to provide a YAST GUI to set up a software store/repository on an existing fs, perhaps under /home as most people keep, or at least should keep, a backup of this folder.
Yes, the option to save the downloaded rpms is a must have for quite some people. Then, there are people without internet connection, but sometimes they can go to somewhere else and download things; the problem is how to know what to download ensuring there will be no dependencies problem. We were thinking of that in the Spanish list the other day: a chap has connection at the job, not at home. The idea would be, for instance, to create something on an external usb disk with the repos metadata. Yast or something would analyze it and create a list of things to download, with paths. Another day the usb disk would be filled in and this time yast could run from the repo on disk. The working alternative is to download the whole repo. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHVT0VtTMYHG2NR9URAmm6AKCEtLeneq3A1tQJcYAn5QQdDE9PHwCcCm4Q DD6oHczA7QwVNhCLwcFCfbY= =N1AE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 25 November 2007 06:36:25 Gavin Chester wrote:
On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 00:45 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Saturday 2007-11-24 at 14:50 -0800, Timothy Cahill wrote:
A fully configured Open-Suse build is several GB in size. I could download these files manually, but for gosh sakes, why would anyone think one should re-do manually what Yast is already doing automatically (dependency resolving and all)? All I ask is that -- please, can there be an OPTION to save downloaded RPMs locally?
I'd love to have this option BACK.
Yes, I say back, because we had that option in SuSE 8 and 9, before we got zypper and zmd et families. It was removed, and not because it was not wanted, I guess.
You can easily do what you ask if you switch to "smart" for updates instead of the standard suse tools under yast. I have invoked the option of keeping all my updated or new rpms for about the past 12mths. This was in case I ever needed to build a duplicate system with all the latest packages or if needing to rebuild a stuffed system from scratch. I'm stuck on dialup and the thought of having to download Gbs of files to come up to date (from that offered on my install dvd) was too much to think about.
Gavin
Can I add the /var/lib/smart/packages on one machine 'A' as a source for machine 'B'? If so how do I do it? Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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