[opensuse] openSUSE releases end of life

Roger Oberholtzer

14 Sep 2015 14 Sep '15

08:34

The end of life statement (https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime) for openSUSE does not state this for openSUSE 13.1 and 13.2. Have the dates been set? Roger Oberholtzer RST Systems Office: +46 (0)10-615 6020 Mobile: +46 (0)70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Marcus Meissner

14 Sep 14 Sep

09:26

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 08:34:14AM +0000, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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The end of life statement (https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime) for openSUSE does not state this for openSUSE 13.1 and 13.2. Have the dates been set?

The usual cycle "2 released + 2 months" still applies here. So when Leap 42.1 has been released, 13.1 will end two months afterwards (so somewhere around January or so) 13.1 will be picked up by Evergreen maintenance, so still go on. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

10:23

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On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 08:34:14AM +0000, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: The end of life statement (https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime) for openSUSE does not state this for openSUSE 13.1 and 13.2. Have the dates been set?

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The usual cycle "2 released + 2 months" still applies here.

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So when Leap 42.1 has been released, 13.1 will end two months afterwards (so somewhere around January or so)

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13.1 will be picked up by Evergreen maintenance, so still go on.

The reason I was curious was that 13.1 was, at some point, called a long term release. Those usually had a longer shelf life. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

10:25

Le 14/09/2015 12:23, Roger Oberholtzer a écrit :

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13.1 will be picked up by Evergreen maintenance, so still go on.

The reason I was curious was that 13.1 was, at some point, called a long term release. Those usually had a longer shelf life.

read above :-) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

10:29

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13.1 will be picked up by Evergreen maintenance, so still go on.

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The reason I was curious was that 13.1 was, at some point, called a long term release. Those usually had a longer shelf life.

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read above :-)

I did read that. But it still does not indicate how long maintenance might last. Which was the question. Of course, it tells which group is deciding, which helps. Has Evergreen decided how long 13.1 might be maintained? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Wolfgang Rosenauer

10:34

Hi, Am 14.09.2015 um 12:29 schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:

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13.1 will be picked up by Evergreen maintenance, so still go on.

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The reason I was curious was that 13.1 was, at some point, called a long term release. Those usually had a longer shelf life.

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read above :-)

I did read that. But it still does not indicate how long maintenance might last. Which was the question. Of course, it tells which group is deciding, which helps. Has Evergreen decided how long 13.1 might be maintained?

there is information: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Evergreen Please do not assume changes because the official support is longer now. There might be changes but this has the latest confirmed information. As Leap assumably fills the previous gap which Evergreen tried before my personal current proposal is to go for Leap unless there is a very good reason to install or stay on 13.1. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

10:37

Le 14/09/2015 12:34, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :

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As Leap assumably fills the previous gap which Evergreen tried before my personal current proposal is to go for Leap unless there is a very good reason to install or stay on 13.1.

right. But Leap policy is not that sure right now, and people like me that have already a 13.1 may not like to change to leap too soon. an alternative is to document in details the jump from 13.1 to leap when possible :-) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

10:50

We will of course follow the Leap path. But as we have some 32-bit hardware (VME cards accessed via a Linux driver I maintain in OBS), we have a bit of work to do before we are ready to go with Leap. We make our own openSUSE install via KIWI and so we have all the updates available when we make a release. I just want to plan when we might make our last 13.1-based KIWI OEM install media. On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 12:37 PM, jdd wrote:

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Le 14/09/2015 12:34, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :

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As Leap assumably fills the previous gap which Evergreen tried before my personal current proposal is to go for Leap unless there is a very good reason to install or stay on 13.1.

right.

But Leap policy is not that sure right now, and people like me that have already a 13.1 may not like to change to leap too soon.

an alternative is to document in details the jump from 13.1 to leap when possible :-)

jdd

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jdd

12:20

Le 14/09/2015 12:50, Roger Oberholtzer a écrit :

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We will of course follow the Leap path. But as we have some 32-bit hardware

the drop of 32 bits worries me, I still have lot of 32 bits computers, and for example I installed yesterday openSUSE 13.2 on a 31 bits Eeepc that was only 5 years old. this could drive me to support a bit more evergreen, if there no other solution, of drop openSUSE for who know what other distribution that keep 32 bits (Debian?) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott

18:36

On 09/14/2015 08:20 AM, jdd wrote:

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on a 31 bits Eeepc that was only 5 years old.

I bet there are even fewer 31 bit computers than 32 bit! ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

18:37

Le 14/09/2015 20:36, James Knott a écrit :

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On 09/14/2015 08:20 AM, jdd wrote:

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on a 31 bits Eeepc that was only 5 years old.

I bet there are even fewer 31 bit computers than 32 bit! ;-)

:-) I have only 20 fingers :-( jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

18:44

* jdd [09-14-15 14:39]:

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Le 14/09/2015 20:36, James Knott a écrit :

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On 09/14/2015 08:20 AM, jdd wrote:

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on a 31 bits Eeepc that was only 5 years old.

I bet there are even fewer 31 bit computers than 32 bit! ;-)

:-)

I have only 20 fingers :-(

Ah, 5 on each hand and 5 on each foot :^) -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

18:45

Le 14/09/2015 20:44, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :

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* jdd [09-14-15 14:39]:

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I have only 20 fingers :-(

Ah, 5 on each hand and 5 on each foot :^)

I can't type with my feets :-) :-) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider - openSUSE

15 Sep 15 Sep

14:47

On 09/14/2015 02:37 PM, jdd wrote:

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Le 14/09/2015 20:36, James Knott a écrit :

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On 09/14/2015 08:20 AM, jdd wrote:

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on a 31 bits Eeepc that was only 5 years old.

I bet there are even fewer 31 bit computers than 32 bit! ;-)

:-)

I have only 20 fingers :-(

jdd

WOW I only have four "fingers". But then i also have two thumbs and ten toes. :-)) -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

18:06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-09-15 16:47, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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On 09/14/2015 02:37 PM, jdd wrote:

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I bet there are even fewer 31 bit computers than 32 bit! ;-)

:-)

I have only 20 fingers :-(

jdd

WOW I only have four "fingers". But then i also have two thumbs and ten toes. :-))

That's when you count them in English. If you count them in Spanish (and French?) it is 20 fingers :-P - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlX4XkEACgkQja8UbcUWM1wijQD+NrE7UbIAoE1jvVHcSsmEwJPG BXv2nVsfvvJRNrVeYp4A/Riq3y9f8+WsxE5YZ4x4D7DQm58+lWtipV2eH1J/du4H =PFOq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

14 Sep 14 Sep

12:32

Le 14/09/2015 12:50, Roger Oberholtzer a écrit :

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We will of course follow the Leap path. But as we have some 32-bit

looks like ubuntu will support 32 bits still a long time, as 16.4 (april 2016) will have 32 bits support and be a LTS (at least 3 years support) http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTgxOTQ jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Christopher Myers

12:48

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looks like ubuntu will support 32 bits still a long time, as 16.4 (april 2016) will have 32 bits support and be a LTS (at least 3 years support)

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http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTgxOTQ

Good to know. I definitely prefer oS, but have a dickens of a time getting the x64 installer to run for whatever reason - it just hangs at random points along the way while doing the initial boot (where it is trying to load the pieces of the installer at the very beginning before you even get to a GUI. This has happened on several different hardware platforms for me (older Intel Core2 desktop boards, some HP laptops, and even my new Lenovo W530) and different versions of oS (11.4, 12.2, and most recently 13.1.) In every case, the 32-bit installer works flawlessly. So I usually end up using that instead. (And yes, I've googled for hours trying to get things to work. But since everything runs fine on 32-bit, and the OS still sees all of my memory, I don't care as long as it's working.) Maybe Leap will be different, but I'm sticking with 13.1 and going to evergreen until we get new laptops. Chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

10:34

Le 14/09/2015 12:29, Roger Oberholtzer a écrit :

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But it still does not indicate how long maintenance might last. Which was the question. Of course, it tells which group is deciding, which helps. Has Evergreen decided how long 13.1 might be maintained?

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true. It surely be at least one year, probably two (after the end of official support), but this depends of the users asking for it, the people helping, and the final policy for leap jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Xen

11:19

So what would be the projected date for 13.2? Can I assume that in Leap of November 2015, it will still be possible to use KDE4 in the same way? In 13.2 SystemD is already there; so I expect no monumental changes just because it builds on a new foundation (with Leap). I think reducing the amount of work you need to do is a very good thing. Logo is also excellent, although it could use a better font (whiter, thicker, bigger spacing, lower height). The quality of one's logo (s) is really not an unimportant thing; it can inspire confidence or break it. To put it mildly. Anyway. https://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/leap.png My only question is whether I can expect disruptive changes. The problem for instance, with the Ubuntu spinoff is that they force a choice between kde 4 and kde 5. Everything from their 15.04 can only use KDE5, and both are not co-installable..... I am very happy that OpenSUSE 13.2 uses .kde4 as the base profile directory. Anyway, two questions: - what is the projected EOL date for 13.2? - will it be easy to migrate a 13.2 KDE4 system to Leap? On 09/14/2015 10:34 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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The end of life statement (https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime) for openSUSE does not state this for openSUSE 13.1 and 13.2. Have the dates been set?

Roger Oberholtzer RST Systems

Office: +46 (0)10-615 6020 Mobile: +46 (0)70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se

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John Andersen

12:12

On 09/14/2015 04:19 AM, Xen wrote:

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Anyway, two questions:

- what is the projected EOL date for 13.2? - will it be easy to migrate a 13.2 KDE4 system to Leap?

I have an even more basic question: What precisely is Leap? I've read https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Leap and https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Leap But they leaves more questions un answered that it actually answers. what is the migration path for 13.2? How is Leap different from SLE? Isn't SLE based on OLDER code than Opensuse 13.2? What is to happen to Opensuse as we know it today? This change is almost totally undiscussed on the Opensuse list. I suppose thee might be other lists where it is discussed, but how would anyone know where they should be reading. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

12:21

Le 14/09/2015 14:12, John Andersen a écrit :

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This change is almost totally undiscussed on the Opensuse list. I suppose thee might be other lists where it is discussed, but how would anyone know where they should be reading.

look at the "project" list jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

14:06

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This change is almost totally undiscussed on the Opensuse list. I suppose thee might be other lists where it is discussed, but how would anyone know where they should be reading.

It *was* discussed a lot in the project and factory mail lists. All your questions were answered, at least as far as anybody could answer something that still is in the making ;-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlX21FUACgkQja8UbcUWM1x8tQD/fePXEgeTABGLn4Wa0NT/5tDJ e5io2NH/6v5A6a1oG0IA/iGa//PCWA33URM9FeUuhiXSzXj2ySpKihqz/vFp5NH2 =IYZ2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

greg.freemyer＠gmail.com

15 Sep 15 Sep

09:07

On September 14, 2015 8:12:35 AM EDT, John Andersen wrote:

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On 09/14/2015 04:19 AM, Xen wrote:

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Anyway, two questions:

- what is the projected EOL date for 13.2? - will it be easy to migrate a 13.2 KDE4 system to Leap?

I have an even more basic question:

What precisely is Leap? I've read https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Leap and https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Leap

But they leaves more questions un answered that it actually answers.

what is the migration path for 13.2? How is Leap different from SLE?

Less than 25% of Leap comes from SLE. Most of the rest from factory, just as 13.3 would have. So Leap is a lot closer to what would have been 13.3 than it is to SLE. One big difference is they picked the latest LTS kernel for Leap, not the latest kernel as 13.3 would have.

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Isn't SLE based on OLDER code than Opensuse 13.2?

Do we really need the latest infrastructure packages (gcc, libc, etc)? It will have the latest GUI packages (KDE, Gnome, etc.). The latest syslog-ng just went in today, so even some true infrastructure packages will be truly current. I'm not sure which systemd versions are going in.

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What is to happen to Opensuse as we know it today?

The user experience should be mostly unchanged.

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This change is almost totally undiscussed on the Opensuse list. I suppose thee might be other lists where it is discussed, but how would anyone know where they should be reading.

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