On Thursday 12 November 2009 06:54:14 am Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:06 AM, sc wrote:

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On Thursday 12 November 2009, Stan Goodman wrote:

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Searching for it on the 'Net shows only RC2 and Factory. Where can I get the new general release from Novell or reliable mirrors? --

nowhere yet -- it won't be released until 8am here, which is 14:00 UTC

sc

The repos went Gold Master a couple days ago, so the zypper dup / wagon upgrade method has been doable for a couple days now.

Greg

Man this is deceiving today, I launched Konqueror (left http://www.opensuse.org as my home page for a reason) and opensuse.org timed out so I was like "Hells yes it is out!" then I go to http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.2/11.2/iso/ to find it empty :( Are people flooding the page or is it just a problem with the server? -- "We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only freedom can make security more secure." Karl Popper

On Thursday 12 November 2009 15:18:46 Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Adam Jimerson wrote:

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On Thursday 12 November 2009 06:54:14 am Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:06 AM, sc wrote:

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On Thursday 12 November 2009, Stan Goodman wrote:

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Searching for it on the 'Net shows only RC2 and Factory. Where can I get the new general release from Novell or reliable mirrors? --

nowhere yet -- it won't be released until 8am here, which is 14:00 UTC

sc

The repos went Gold Master a couple days ago, so the zypper dup / wagon upgrade method has been doable for a couple days now.

Greg

Man this is deceiving today, I launched Konqueror (left http://www.opensuse.org as my home page for a reason) and opensuse.org timed out so I was like "Hells yes it is out!" then I go to http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.2/11.2/iso/ to find it empty :( Are people flooding the page or is it just a problem with the server? --

It looks out to me:

http://software.opensuse.org/112/en

But I manually entered that url. I don't see a link to it on the main page yet.

Greg

The link on the main page points to 11.1 What does 'It looks out to me:' mean? L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Adam Jimerson wrote:

On Thursday 12 November 2009 09:30:28 am lynn wrote:

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The link on the main page points to 11.1

What does 'It looks out to me:' mean? L x

Do what I did change the url by hand http://software.opensuse.org/111/en -> http://software.opensuse.org/112/en

Or just refresh the homepage because I just clicked the "Get it Now" button and it sent me to the 11.2 page :)

do all you people *mind*? i'm trying to download. if you could all take a break for about an hour and free up that bandwidth, that'd be great, thanks. i'll let you know when i'm done. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday ======================================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

On Thursday 12 November 2009 16:27:56 Robert P. J. Day wrote:

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do all you people *mind*? i'm trying to download. if you could all take a break for about an hour and free up that bandwidth, that'd be great, thanks. i'll let you know when i'm done.

Once you've downloaded, please share it via torrent,

it is, in fact, torrent'ing as we speak. this is so exciting ... rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday ======================================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 17:13 +0100, lynn wrote:

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do all you people *mind*? i'm trying to download.

The Spanish mirrors are serving at a whopping 62Kb/s. Maybe you are not in a third world country and expect more;-)

I think installing RC1/RC2 when there was not such a rush was the way to go. My update to 11.2 today (done after the 11.2 release, even though I think I could have done so earlier) took 15 minutes. Next week I am going to try 10.3->11.0->11.1->11.2. Unless there is a shortcut. -- You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new. -- Steve Jobs Roger Oberholtzer Ramböll RST/OPQ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 13/11/09 07:55, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 17:13 +0100, lynn wrote:

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do all you people *mind*? i'm trying to download.

The Spanish mirrors are serving at a whopping 62Kb/s. Maybe you are not in a third world country and expect more;-)

I think installing RC1/RC2 when there was not such a rush was the way to go. My update to 11.2 today (done after the 11.2 release, even though I think I could have done so earlier) took 15 minutes.

Next week I am going to try 10.3->11.0->11.1->11.2. Unless there is a shortcut.

I hope that someone will either support me or correct me, but I am sure that I read a while back that the difference between one version and another - and I think it had to do with the KDE desktop - that a straight 'upgrade' would result in something close to doom and gloom. Never upgrading but always installing fresh, I did not pay too close an attention to what was written at the time so, please, correct me. BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 13/11/09 11:12, Matthias Bach wrote:

Hi!

Am Freitag 13 November 2009 schrieb Basil Chupin:

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Next week I am going to try 10.3->11.0->11.1->11.2. Unless there is a shortcut.

I hope that someone will either support me or correct me, but I am sure that I read a while back that the difference between one version and another - and I think it had to do with the KDE desktop - that a straight 'upgrade' would result in something close to doom and gloom.

Never upgrading but always installing fresh, I did not pay too close an attention to what was written at the time so, please, correct me.

My computer has taken the same path until 11.1 without problems. The upgrade to 11.2 will probably also happen on the weekend and I don't expect problems.

I am a KDE user and that was not a problem. Only that KDE 4.0 was not really meant for end user use. But as he will continue further he won't see that anyhow.

Regards, Matthias

Ah, good, no problems then. BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Quoting Andreas Jaeger :

On Thursday 12 November 2009 21:55:01 Roger Oberholtzer wrote: [snip]

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Next week I am going to try 10.3->11.0->11.1->11.2. Unless there is a shortcut.

Just go directly from 10.3 to 11.2, it's untested but there's nothing that says it should not work,

zypper in 10.3 does not have dup. Just change the repositories or what? Jeffrey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 13 November 2009 15:35:22 Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:

Quoting Andreas Jaeger :

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On Thursday 12 November 2009 21:55:01 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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Next week I am going to try 10.3->11.0->11.1->11.2. Unless there is a shortcut.

Just go directly from 10.3 to 11.2, it's untested but there's nothing that says it should not work,

zypper in 10.3 does not have dup. Just change the repositories or what?

The "classical" way: Download 11.2 DVD, boot from it, choose update... This continues to work. zypper dup is an alternative only from 11.1 to 11.2, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

On 11/12/2009 06:54 AM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:06 AM, sc wrote:

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On Thursday 12 November 2009, Stan Goodman wrote:

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Searching for it on the 'Net shows only RC2 and Factory. Where can I get the new general release from Novell or reliable mirrors? --

nowhere yet -- it won't be released until 8am here, which is 14:00 UTC

sc

The repos went Gold Master a couple days ago, so the zypper dup / wagon upgrade method has been doable for a couple days now.

Then, why don't we have a nvidia site to upgrade drivers? Fred -- A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA! 'Time to put Nana Pelosi in a home!' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 13/11/09 15:03, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Then, why don't we have a nvidia site to upgrade drivers?

You do have, Fred. Just not the type/format that you had. It has been called the *hard* way, but is only a download and a commandline execution of a script which requires several yes or no answers to questions. Really difficult.

Maybe a better answer, nvidia is not part of openSUSE, but a convenience that (iiuc) Novell provided in collusion with nVidia.

I have a feeling that Fred is looking for something which can be automatically done on each of the computers he works on. For me, with just the 2-3 computers to look after, downloading a copy of the nVidia driver from the nVidia site is not a problem, but to Fred I suspect doing so, in order to be able to install and compile the driver on (?)>3 computers, would be a pain. BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 13/11/09 16:12, Fred A. Miller wrote:

On 11/12/2009 11:57 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 13/11/09 15:03, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Then, why don't we have a nvidia site to upgrade drivers?

You do have, Fred. Just not the type/format that you had. It has been called the *hard* way, but is only a download and a commandline execution of a script which requires several yes or no answers to questions. Really difficult.

Maybe a better answer, nvidia is not part of openSUSE, but a convenience that (iiuc) Novell provided in collusion with nVidia.

I have a feeling that Fred is looking for something which can be automatically done on each of the computers he works on.

For me, with just the 2-3 computers to look after, downloading a copy of the nVidia driver from the nVidia site is not a problem, but to Fred I suspect doing so, in order to be able to install and compile the driver on (?)>3 computers, would be a pain.

You have NO idea what it is to work on systems and meet deadlines. But, that's not my concern. My concern is that openSUSE CAN'T be THE Linux disto....THE "easiest to install, setup, and use" for those who we NEED - read that MUST - have use it....present MickySoft users, when there are impediments to getting drivers installed. MANY have made the point before, and I will again. If Ubuntu 9.1 and other distros. make it easy, so can openSUSE.

Fred

Fred, I am as passionate about oS as you are, and have been so since I first came across it back when it was still the good, old, solid *German* ("But *don't* mention the War!" - Basil Fawlty) product called SuSE. And I've said many a word about its downs and up over the years. However, what you stated above is too emotional. There is nothing *forcing* you to give your client openSUSE. *You* want them to use oS, and I don't blame you - I would too. But you may just as well put Kubuntu/Ubuntu on their systems in stead of the "MickeyMouse" stuff which they have been mesmerised into using for the past many years. (I installed XP on the system the other day on the new HDs for one reason only: I made a *big* mistake in buying a good 35mm slide-capable CANON scanner - for a *very* good price - a little while back, but it is not supported under Linux; I need the scanner, hence the installation of XP. If not for this there would be not be single trace of that MS crap on this computer.) openSUSE, and other distros, no doubt are having hassles. But take yourself back some years and compare 'the now' with 'the then'. Have things got better, or worse? What I think is the real problem here is that we, as enthusiastic supporters of oS, and Linux, are expecting great things from people who code the oS - but for one reason or another, they cannot deliver to meet our expectations. I have a tagline which states, "The first myth of management is that it exists" :-) . BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Now, for the good stuff......most everything is great with 11.2.....except for networkmanager (wifi) and a broken hplip. I haven't noted anything else.

Fred

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On Thursday 12 November 2009 07:02:51 pm Fred A. Miller wrote: print the shtuff to snail mail it to friends!!!! does that mean that we can't spread the news about nana? now i know i must stick with 11.1:)))) d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 10:34:03 on Friday Friday 13 November 2009, Marcus Meissner wrote:

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 09:39:50PM -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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On 11/12/2009 06:54 AM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:06 AM, sc wrote:

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On Thursday 12 November 2009, Stan Goodman wrote:

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Searching for it on the 'Net shows only RC2 and Factory. Where can I get the new general release from Novell or reliable mirrors? --

nowhere yet -- it won't be released until 8am here, which is 14:00 UTC

sc

The repos went Gold Master a couple days ago, so the zypper dup / wagon upgrade method has been doable for a couple days now.

Then, why don't we have a nvidia site to upgrade drivers?

The repo for 11.2 is at http://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/11.2

what is your problem?

I don't have a problem. I had a problem yesterday, when I didn't know where to download 11.2. Note that all the material quoted above about zypper, nvidia, and drivers has nothing at all to do with me, but is riding on my simple question.

Ciao, Marcus

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On 11/13/2009 08:29 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

Marcus Meissner pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 09:39:50PM -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:

Fred,

Put the following into a file called repo.Nvidia and copy to /etc/zypp/repo.d/ and then do zypper ref and the Nvidia repo will be available.

[repo] name=NVIDIA Repository enabled=1 autorefresh=1 baseurl=http://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/11.2 path=/ type=rpm-md priority=98 keeppackages=0

Thanks, Ken. I simply added it via Yast. It SHOULD have been an option during the install, or after, to add it. Newbies won't know how to add the nVidia nor ATI sites. Fred -- A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA! 'Time to put Nana Pelosi in a home!' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Per Jessen wrote:

Marcus Meissner wrote:

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The repo for 11.2 is at http://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/11.2

I guess it can't be browsed? If I click on the URL above, I get redirected to:

http://http.download.nvidia.com/opensuse/11.2

Anyway, I added the repository, upgraded the nvidia driver and rebooted - when the system started next time, the X server could not be started. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.0°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 02:57:14PM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:

Per Jessen wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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Marcus Meissner wrote:

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The repo for 11.2 is at http://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/11.2

I guess it can't be browsed? If I click on the URL above, I get redirected to:

http://http.download.nvidia.com/opensuse/11.2

Anyway, I added the repository, upgraded the nvidia driver and rebooted - when the system started next time, the X server could not be started.

I forgot to ask - to whom should I address this problem? nvidia presumably?

Open a bugreport against openSUSE 11.2. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Anyway, I added the repository, upgraded the nvidia driver and rebooted - when the system started next time, the X server could not be started.

I forgot to ask - to whom should I address this problem? nvidia presumably?

Open a bugreport against openSUSE 11.2.

I did: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=555286

It was however closed almost immediately as invalid.

Reopen it, per NVIDIA instructions at "ftp://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/README": ] The driver RPMs hosted in this location are entirely built, maintained and supported by Novell/SUSE. ] NVIDIA hosts them as a courtesy to Novell, however all problems and support requests related to ] these RPMs should be reported to Novell via their bug tracking system: ] http://bugzilla.novell.com <============================= Nvidia only accepts bugs if you download the official package instead: ] If the issue can be reproduced using the official NVIDIA driver package from this location: ] http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html

:-)

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Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I did: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=555286

It was however closed almost immediately as invalid.

Reopen it, per NVIDIA instructions at "ftp://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/README":

Yeah, already did.

Stefan Dirsch, probably quite rightly, closed it again as invalid due to the correct driver being selected, so it probably _is_ an nvidia problem. I have also tried installing the nvidia provided driver, but it still fails. Have now reported it to nvidia. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.0°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 12 November 2009 12:06:53 sc wrote:

On Thursday 12 November 2009, Stan Goodman wrote:

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Searching for it on the 'Net shows only RC2 and Factory. Where can I get the new general release from Novell or reliable mirrors? --

nowhere yet -- it won't be released until 8am here, which is 14:00 UTC

sc

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At 17:12:15 on Thursday Thursday 12 November 2009, Erik Jakobsen wrote:

Stan Goodman skrev:

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Searching for it on the 'Net shows only RC2 and Factory. Where can I get the new general release from Novell or reliable mirrors?

Here:

http://software.opensuse.org/112/en

/Erik

Yes. wget has been downloading for about an hour, and talks about finishing in another five. I'll make a note of the location, so I'll know where to start looking next time arround. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org