[opensuse] Installation Woes
I decided to give openSUSE a try to see how it is. I used SuSE some years back and drifted away. I downloaded 12.1-64 and burned the DVD [ properly ]. Was a bit surprised to discover that there was a Windows exe file to install. Decided - well, why not. Got to a certain point and told me I didn't have the admin rights to install. Not terribly surprising because as my "user" account I don't have admin rights. As a general rule Windows will as me for the admin password but this time it didn't. Decided to boot from the DVD and install that way. Restarted the computer and thought maybe it might be a good idea to do the media test before installing. Started out fine and got to a splash screen, and just sat there like a lump. No keyboard or mouse input available. [ I run this computer and another on a KVM switch and couldn't even switch to the other computer with the keyboard - had to push the button on the switch ] Had to do a hard shut down with the power switch. Rebooted to the DVD and tried the install option. Got to the same splash screen with the same results. Had to do another hard shutdown. Rebooted into Windows again as admin. Run the exe file. Got to the same point as I did as user and same result. No admin privilege to install. I'm logged into the computer AS admin and I don't have privilege??????? Computer is an Intel dual core with two gigs memory triple booted with Kubuntu 12.04, Windows 7 and XP. I was/am going to replace the XP with opensuse [ if I can get it installed ]. Anyone got any suggestions? I know it is possible that the ISO file glitched during download or the DVD burning glitched somehow but is there something I'm missing or doing wrong? -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Billie Walsh wrote:
I decided to give openSUSE a try to see how it is. I used SuSE some years back and drifted away. I downloaded 12.1-64 and burned the DVD [ properly ]. Was a bit surprised to discover that there was a Windows exe file to install.
I have never had to install any Windows file to install any version on Linux. Where did you get the ISO file from? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 10/02/2012 16:52, James Knott a écrit :
Billie Walsh wrote:
I decided to give openSUSE a try to see how it is. I used SuSE some years back and drifted away. I downloaded 12.1-64 and burned the DVD [ properly ]. Was a bit surprised to discover that there was a Windows exe file to install.
I have never had to install any Windows file to install any version on Linux. Where did you get the ISO file from?
if you read the dvd from windows, you see this exe file probably your dvd is faulty, can you make the media test from the initial install? therre is also a md5sum, but I wonder if you will know how to use it jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
jdd-gmane wrote:
I have never had to install any Windows file to install any version on Linux. Where did you get the ISO file from?
if you read the dvd from windows, you see this exe file
Given that the DVDs are bootable, why bother installing from Windows? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/10/2012 10:16 AM, James Knott wrote:
jdd-gmane wrote:
I have never had to install any Windows file to install any version on Linux. Where did you get the ISO file from?
if you read the dvd from windows, you see this exe file
Given that the DVDs are bootable, why bother installing from Windows?
Well, I wanted to get the DVD in the drive before rebooting. Catching the drive before the boot sequence gets to far can sometimes be a pain. I was doing something before I rebooted and the little window popped up with the "What do you want to do with this disk message." Otherwise I probably would never have known there was a Windows installer file. Lew Wolfgang wrote:
I would suspect a badly burned DVD if the media check fails. Maybe a bad DVD drive? I've certainly seen that happen!
It has two brand new DVD drives. Both the old ones died within a month of each other. jdd-gmane wrote:
probably your dvd is faulty, can you make the media test from the initial install?
Media test fails at the splash screen. A bad DVD burn is a possibility.
therre is also a md5sum, but I wonder if you will know how to use it
I didn't copy down the md5sum from the download site. I might go back and get it and see if the downloaded file is good before burning another disk. That would check that the download was good. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 10/02/2012 17:38, Billie Walsh a écrit :
I didn't copy down the md5sum from the download site. I might go back and get it and see if the downloaded file is good before burning another disk. That would check that the download was good.
it's a first step, but in my experience it's bery often the dvd medium that fails, sometime for a very small part, so I've seen installs ending correctly but system never worging good I even, have had dvd's that verified good just after the burn and bad two hours after (of course when trying a demo!!) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/02/12 03:38, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/10/2012 10:16 AM, James Knott wrote:
jdd-gmane wrote:
I have never had to install any Windows file to install any version on Linux. Where did you get the ISO file from?
if you read the dvd from windows, you see this exe file
Given that the DVDs are bootable, why bother installing from Windows?
Well, I wanted to get the DVD in the drive before rebooting. Catching the drive before the boot sequence gets to far can sometimes be a pain.
Perhaps I am thinking of something else here, but didn't you know that when you place a disc into a device while holding down the SHIFT key will stop Windows from actually doing what you have set to be done to it when you insert a disc (that is, if it is an audio disc or a DVD the disc will not be played)? BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/11/2012 12:19 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 11/02/12 03:38, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/10/2012 10:16 AM, James Knott wrote:
jdd-gmane wrote:
I have never had to install any Windows file to install any version on Linux. Where did you get the ISO file from?
if you read the dvd from windows, you see this exe file
Given that the DVDs are bootable, why bother installing from Windows?
Well, I wanted to get the DVD in the drive before rebooting. Catching the drive before the boot sequence gets to far can sometimes be a pain.
Perhaps I am thinking of something else here, but didn't you know that when you place a disc into a device while holding down the SHIFT key will stop Windows from actually doing what you have set to be done to it when you insert a disc (that is, if it is an audio disc or a DVD the disc will not be played)?
BC
Call me dense, but I never gave a thought to how to stop the process. Never really needed to. I've never set a default action other than popping up the "What am I supposed to do with this" window. If the action I want is on the list I use it or I close the window without choosing an option. I NEVER click the "Do this every time" box. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/10/2012 10:06 AM, jdd-gmane wrote:
therre is also a md5sum, but I wonder if you will know how to use it
Maybe I'm not looking in the right place. The only md5sum I can find on the openSUSE download site is: 22b4d6bfdb11f5bdd36a05f9968a780c openSUSE-12.1-DVD-i586.iso This looks to me like a 32 bit system md5sum if I'm reading the file name correctly. What I get from a md5sum check of the downloaded file is: 4cfe8229111ef723ae7aa541fd2c87b7 openSUSE-DVD-x86_64-build0039-media This is the 64 bit. I can't find a md5sum for the 64 bit ISO on the site. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
openSUSE-DVD-x86_64-build0039-media
I don't know how/where you got that, but that is not a release name. Start over and make sure the name doesn't have "build" in it and does have "12.1" in it. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/10/2012 11:12 AM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
openSUSE-DVD-x86_64-build0039-media
I don't know how/where you got that, but that is not a release name.
Start over and make sure the name doesn't have "build" in it and does have "12.1" in it.
Greg
That's the name reported by K3b. The actual file name is openSUSE-12.1-DVD-x86_64.iso -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012/02/10 12:01 (GMT-0500) Billie Walsh composed:
jdd-gmane wrote:
therre is also a md5sum, but I wonder if you will know how to use it
Maybe I'm not looking in the right place. The only md5sum I can find on the openSUSE download site is:
22b4d6bfdb11f5bdd36a05f9968a780c openSUSE-12.1-DVD-i586.iso
Web page links can be incomplete or out of date. The horse's mouth (iso directory) works better: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.1/iso/ -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/10/2012 12:04 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012/02/10 12:01 (GMT-0500) Billie Walsh composed:
jdd-gmane wrote:
therre is also a md5sum, but I wonder if you will know how to use it
Maybe I'm not looking in the right place. The only md5sum I can find on the openSUSE download site is:
22b4d6bfdb11f5bdd36a05f9968a780c openSUSE-12.1-DVD-i586.iso
Web page links can be incomplete or out of date. The horse's mouth (iso directory) works better: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.1/iso/
Thank you. That helps. At least now I know the downloaded ISO is not borked. The numbers match. One more possible issue off the list. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/02/12 05:28, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/10/2012 12:04 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012/02/10 12:01 (GMT-0500) Billie Walsh composed:
jdd-gmane wrote:
therre is also a md5sum, but I wonder if you will know how to use it
Maybe I'm not looking in the right place. The only md5sum I can find on the openSUSE download site is:
22b4d6bfdb11f5bdd36a05f9968a780c openSUSE-12.1-DVD-i586.iso
Web page links can be incomplete or out of date. The horse's mouth (iso directory) works better: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.1/iso/
Thank you. That helps. At least now I know the downloaded ISO is not borked. The numbers match. One more possible issue off the list.
Hold on there, Billie. At this point I am confused - perhaps something later will set me straight. Are you trying to install a 64-bit system or a 32-bit system of 12.1? BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/11/2012 12:28 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 11/02/12 05:28, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/10/2012 12:04 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012/02/10 12:01 (GMT-0500) Billie Walsh composed:
jdd-gmane wrote:
therre is also a md5sum, but I wonder if you will know how to use it
Maybe I'm not looking in the right place. The only md5sum I can find on the openSUSE download site is:
22b4d6bfdb11f5bdd36a05f9968a780c openSUSE-12.1-DVD-i586.iso
Web page links can be incomplete or out of date. The horse's mouth (iso directory) works better: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.1/iso/
Thank you. That helps. At least now I know the downloaded ISO is not borked. The numbers match. One more possible issue off the list.
Hold on there, Billie.
At this point I am confused - perhaps something later will set me straight.
Are you trying to install a 64-bit system or a 32-bit system of 12.1?
BC
There was sort of an unfortunate snip there. I'm wanting to install the 64bit. On the page where you choose and start the download it only shows the 32bit md5sum. Felix pointed me to the place I could find the 64bit md5sum. Of course the md5 for the 32bit doesn't match the md5 for the 64bit. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/10/2012 09:52 AM, James Knott wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote:
I decided to give openSUSE a try to see how it is. I used SuSE some years back and drifted away. I downloaded 12.1-64 and burned the DVD [ properly ]. Was a bit surprised to discover that there was a Windows exe file to install.
I have never had to install any Windows file to install any version on Linux. Where did you get the ISO file from?
http://www.opensuse.org/en/ -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 10:14 -0600, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/10/2012 09:52 AM, James Knott wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote:
I decided to give openSUSE a try to see how it is. I used SuSE some years back and drifted away. I downloaded 12.1-64 and burned the DVD [ properly ]. Was a bit surprised to discover that there was a Windows exe file to install.
I have never had to install any Windows file to install any version on Linux. Where did you get the ISO file from?
Hi, try this link instead http://software.opensuse.org/121/en select direct download select 64bit Hit download dvd When you burn it, make sure your software recognizes its burning a dvd When you go to install it, select key f12 or whatever is appropriate on your computer on initial boot to get to the boot order menu in the bios. It always tells which key to hit in the bios screen which flashes up at first boot. Select boot from cdrom from the bios menu, and hit enter making sure that the dvd is in the drive ready to run. When the dvd loads its first menu on the screen, select Install, and you will be on your way. Here is a guide for installation for 11.4, but it is just about exactly similar for 12.1. I can't find a similar guide for 12.1 in the service database, but they all say about the same basic things for each version. http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:DVD_installation_for_11.4 Have fun! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 12:41 -0500, Mark Misulich wrote:
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 10:14 -0600, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/10/2012 09:52 AM, James Knott wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote:
I decided to give openSUSE a try to see how it is. I used SuSE some years back and drifted away. I downloaded 12.1-64 and burned the DVD [ properly ]. Was a bit surprised to discover that there was a Windows exe file to install.
I have never had to install any Windows file to install any version on Linux. Where did you get the ISO file from?
Hi, try this link instead
http://software.opensuse.org/121/en
select direct download select 64bit Hit download dvd
When you burn it, make sure your software recognizes its burning a dvd Oops, meant to say, make sure it recognizes its burning an iso file.
When you go to install it, select key f12 or whatever is appropriate on your computer on initial boot to get to the boot order menu in the bios. It always tells which key to hit in the bios screen which flashes up at first boot. Select boot from cdrom from the bios menu, and hit enter making sure that the dvd is in the drive ready to run.
When the dvd loads its first menu on the screen, select Install, and you will be on your way.
Here is a guide for installation for 11.4, but it is just about exactly similar for 12.1. I can't find a similar guide for 12.1 in the service database, but they all say about the same basic things for each version.
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:DVD_installation_for_11.4
Have fun!
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On 02/10/2012 11:41 AM, Mark Misulich wrote:
On 02/10/2012 09:52 AM, James Knott wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote:
> I decided to give openSUSE a try to see how it is. I used SuSE some > years back and drifted away. I downloaded 12.1-64 and burned the DVD [ > properly ]. Was a bit surprised to discover that there was a Windows > exe file to install.
I have never had to install any Windows file to install any version on Linux. Where did you get the ISO file from?
Hi,
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 10:14 -0600, Billie Walsh wrote: try this link instead
That's the download page you go to from the page I posted.
select direct download
Yuppers
select 64bit
Yuppers
Hit download dvd
Yuppers
When you burn it, make sure your software recognizes its burning a dvd
Yuppers
When you go to install it, select key f12 or whatever is appropriate on your computer on initial boot to get to the boot order menu in the bios. It always tells which key to hit in the bios screen which flashes up at first boot. Select boot from cdrom from the bios menu, and hit enter making sure that the dvd is in the drive ready to run.
f10 in my computers case. But done that also.
When the dvd loads its first menu on the screen, select Install, and you will be on your way.
Stalls at the splash screen after it says loading kernel. Just sits there like a lump after that. No access to keyboard or mouse input. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 10/02/2012 18:56, Billie Walsh a écrit :
Stalls at the splash screen after it says loading kernel. Just sits there like a lump after that. No access to keyboard or mouse input.
did you try burning an other one? jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/10/2012 12:31 PM, jdd-gmane wrote:
Le 10/02/2012 18:56, Billie Walsh a écrit :
Stalls at the splash screen after it says loading kernel. Just sits there like a lump after that. No access to keyboard or mouse input.
did you try burning an other one?
jdd
Not yet. Now that I know the ISO is good burning a new DVD seems like the next logical step. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Billie Walsh wrote:
did you try burning an other one?
jdd
Not yet. Now that I know the ISO is good burning a new DVD seems like the next logical step.
When you boot from the DVD, there's an option to verify the disc is good. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2/10/2012 2:34 PM, James Knott wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote:
did you try burning an other one?
jdd
Not yet. Now that I know the ISO is good burning a new DVD seems like the next logical step.
When you boot from the DVD, there's an option to verify the disc is good.
I think he already said he doesn't even get that far when trying to boot. I would check the md5 of the burned dvd not of the downloaded iso, or as jdd says just burn another and don't use the highest available speed setting. If reading the actual dvd checks out then there is no need to waste another minute on that. Might be a thrice damned KMS / video driver issue too. Try adding "nomodeset" and/or "text" to the boot command line. nomodeset disables kms but shouldn't disable gui, text disables gui altogether. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2/10/2012 3:02 PM, Brian K. White wrote:
On 2/10/2012 2:34 PM, James Knott wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote:
did you try burning an other one?
jdd
Not yet. Now that I know the ISO is good burning a new DVD seems like the next logical step.
When you boot from the DVD, there's an option to verify the disc is good.
I think he already said he doesn't even get that far when trying to boot.
I would check the md5 of the burned dvd not of the downloaded iso, or as jdd says just burn another and don't use the highest available speed setting. If reading the actual dvd checks out then there is no need to waste another minute on that.
Might be a thrice damned KMS / video driver issue too. Try adding "nomodeset" and/or "text" to the boot command line. nomodeset disables kms but shouldn't disable gui, text disables gui altogether.
Just to clarify, you may want both, since kms will try to access video hardware even for a text mode install to set a fancy "graphical console" mode. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/10/2012 11:41 AM, Mark Misulich wrote:
On 02/10/2012 09:52 AM, James Knott wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote: >> I decided to give openSUSE a try to see how it is. I used SuSE some >> years back and drifted away. I downloaded 12.1-64 and burned the DVD [ >> properly ]. Was a bit surprised to discover that there was a Windows >> exe file to install.
I have never had to install any Windows file to install any version on Linux. Where did you get the ISO file from?
Hi,
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 10:14 -0600, Billie Walsh wrote: try this link instead
That's the download page you go to from the page I posted.
select direct download
Yuppers
select 64bit
Yuppers
Hit download dvd
Yuppers
You did not by accident do this with a 32-bit Internet Explorer, did you? It cannot download files greater then 4GB, so you get a crippled download.
When you burn it, make sure your software recognizes its burning a dvd
Yuppers
When you go to install it, select key f12 or whatever is appropriate on your computer on initial boot to get to the boot order menu in the bios. It always tells which key to hit in the bios screen which flashes up at first boot. Select boot from cdrom from the bios menu, and hit enter making sure that the dvd is in the drive ready to run.
f10 in my computers case. But done that also.
When the dvd loads its first menu on the screen, select Install, and you will be on your way.
Stalls at the splash screen after it says loading kernel. Just sits there like a lump after that. No access to keyboard or mouse input.
-- âThe Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interestsâ.
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On 02/10/2012 12:46 PM, Leen de Braal wrote:
You did not by accident do this with a 32-bit Internet Explorer, did you? It cannot download files greater then 4GB, so you get a crippled download.
No. Firefox in Kubuntu 12.04 x86-64. Burned the DVD with K3B. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/02/12 04:56, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/10/2012 11:41 AM, Mark Misulich wrote:
On 02/10/2012 09:52 AM, James Knott wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote: >> I decided to give openSUSE a try to see how it is. I used SuSE some >> years back and drifted away. I downloaded 12.1-64 and burned the DVD [ >> properly ]. Was a bit surprised to discover that there was a Windows >> exe file to install.
I have never had to install any Windows file to install any version on Linux. Where did you get the ISO file from?
Hi,
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 10:14 -0600, Billie Walsh wrote: try this link instead
That's the download page you go to from the page I posted.
select direct download
Yuppers
select 64bit
Yuppers
Hit download dvd
Yuppers
When you burn it, make sure your software recognizes its burning a dvd
Yuppers
When you go to install it, select key f12 or whatever is appropriate on your computer on initial boot to get to the boot order menu in the bios. It always tells which key to hit in the bios screen which flashes up at first boot. Select boot from cdrom from the bios menu, and hit enter making sure that the dvd is in the drive ready to run.
f10 in my computers case. But done that also.
When the dvd loads its first menu on the screen, select Install, and you will be on your way.
Stalls at the splash screen after it says loading kernel. Just sits there like a lump after that. No access to keyboard or mouse input.
Billie, I think that you have struck the well known hassle of video :-( . When the DVD starts and you get the menu where you are asked to Install, for example, add this to the boot line: "nomodeset" [wthout the quotes] and then press return to continue the installation process. You will need to also add this parameter when the installation process tells you that it needs to reboot to continue the installation. (I have just posted a comment about this re Milestone 1 of 12.2. I think that this hassle has been allowed to exist for far too long and "nomodeset" should be hardcoded into installation process to avoid the problem you are having - and I am having with 12.2.) If you have any questions you can always get in touch with me privately as you know. BC PS And welcome back "to the fold" or at least at your attempt at getting back to the fold :-) . And sorry for the hassles you are currently having :-( . -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
(I have just posted a comment about this re Milestone 1 of 12.2. I think that this hassle has been allowed to exist for far too long and "nomodeset" should be hardcoded into installation process to avoid the problem you are having - and I am having with 12.2.)
For the installation only, that's not a bad idea, me thinks. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-7.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 11/02/2012 11:26, Per Jessen a écrit :
Basil Chupin wrote:
(I have just posted a comment about this re Milestone 1 of 12.2. I think that this hassle has been allowed to exist for far too long and "nomodeset" should be hardcoded into installation process to avoid the problem you are having - and I am having with 12.2.)
For the installation only, that's not a bad idea, me thinks.
I think some config crash with nomodeset, at least it was what I understood :-( jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/11/2012 12:41 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
Billie, I think that you have struck the well known hassle of video :-( .
When the DVD starts and you get the menu where you are asked to Install, for example, add this to the boot line: "nomodeset" [wthout the quotes] and then press return to continue the installation process.
You will need to also add this parameter when the installation process tells you that it needs to reboot to continue the installation.
(I have just posted a comment about this re Milestone 1 of 12.2. I think that this hassle has been allowed to exist for far too long and "nomodeset" should be hardcoded into installation process to avoid the problem you are having - and I am having with 12.2.)
If you have any questions you can always get in touch with me privately as you know.
BC
PS And welcome back "to the fold" or at least at your attempt at getting back to the fold :-) . And sorry for the hassles you are currently having :-( .
(snipped because it was getting rather long) Bot you and someone else suggested the "nomodeset". Didn't make any difference. Still gets to the splash screen and just sits there like a lump. To light for a boat anchor and to big for a paper weight. *<]:oD I don't claim to be any sort of an expert, but I've never had issues with the video during an install. The initial reboot afterwards sometimes, but never during the install. Generally the installer seems to use a basic generic driver that will work with just about anything. I'm suspecting there's something glitched on the DVD during the burning or a fault in the media. K3B reported that all was well, but........... -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/02/12 00:43, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/11/2012 12:41 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
Billie, I think that you have struck the well known hassle of video :-( .
When the DVD starts and you get the menu where you are asked to Install, for example, add this to the boot line: "nomodeset" [wthout the quotes] and then press return to continue the installation process.
You will need to also add this parameter when the installation process tells you that it needs to reboot to continue the installation.
(I have just posted a comment about this re Milestone 1 of 12.2. I think that this hassle has been allowed to exist for far too long and "nomodeset" should be hardcoded into installation process to avoid the problem you are having - and I am having with 12.2.)
If you have any questions you can always get in touch with me privately as you know.
BC
PS And welcome back "to the fold" or at least at your attempt at getting back to the fold :-) . And sorry for the hassles you are currently having :-( .
(snipped because it was getting rather long)
Bot you and someone else suggested the "nomodeset". Didn't make any difference. Still gets to the splash screen and just sits there like a lump. To light for a boat anchor and to big for a paper weight. *<]:oD
I don't claim to be any sort of an expert, but I've never had issues with the video during an install. The initial reboot afterwards sometimes, but never during the install. Generally the installer seems to use a basic generic driver that will work with just about anything.
The video has been causing problems, default driver or not. There was another reason for the glitch but I just don't remember what that was. Someone with better memory could remember; otherwise a search of the archives would produce the discussions which occurred.
I'm suspecting there's something glitched on the DVD during the burning or a fault in the media. K3B reported that all was well, but...........
When burning an iso file I always verify the burn. With one or 2 exceptions over the years k3b has always been perfect in its burns and those which did fail were due to faulty discs; inserted the next disc on the spindle and it burnt perfectly. BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Billie Walsh wrote:
Bot you and someone else suggested the "nomodeset". Didn't make any difference. Still gets to the splash screen and just sits there like a lump. To light for a boat anchor and to big for a paper weight. *<]:oD
a) what happens (if anything) if you hit Esc when it's just sitting there? b) try booting with "vga=normal", it might work. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-9.5°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/10/2012 07:52 AM, James Knott wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote:
I decided to give openSUSE a try to see how it is. I used SuSE some years back and drifted away. I downloaded 12.1-64 and burned the DVD [ properly ]. Was a bit surprised to discover that there was a Windows exe file to install.
I have never had to install any Windows file to install any version on Linux. Where did you get the ISO file from?
There are two .exe files at the root of the DVD: openSUSE12_2_LOCAL.exe openSUSE12_2_NET.exe (this was from a 12.1 x86-64 DVD) I'm guessing you could start an install from an up-and-running Windows. I've never done it that way. I would suspect a badly burned DVD if the media check fails. Maybe a bad DVD drive? I've certainly seen that happen! Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/02/12 04:03, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
On 02/10/2012 07:52 AM, James Knott wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote:
I decided to give openSUSE a try to see how it is. I used SuSE some years back and drifted away. I downloaded 12.1-64 and burned the DVD [ properly ]. Was a bit surprised to discover that there was a Windows exe file to install.
I have never had to install any Windows file to install any version on Linux. Where did you get the ISO file from?
There are two .exe files at the root of the DVD:
openSUSE12_2_LOCAL.exe openSUSE12_2_NET.exe
(this was from a 12.1 x86-64 DVD)
Lew, do the above contain typos? openSUSE 12.2 has only just (today/yesterday) been made available as Milestone #1.
I'm guessing you could start an install from an up-and-running Windows. I've never done it that way.
I would suspect a badly burned DVD if the media check fails. Maybe a bad DVD drive? I've certainly seen that happen!
A possibility of course, but I strongly suspect the video driver show-stopper, which has been plaguing oS for a while, as the culprit. BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/10/2012 10:50 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
There are two .exe files at the root of the DVD:
openSUSE12_2_LOCAL.exe openSUSE12_2_NET.exe
(this was from a 12.1 x86-64 DVD)
Lew, do the above contain typos?
openSUSE 12.2 has only just (today/yesterday) been made available as Milestone #1.
Hi Basil, No typos, I cut-n-pasted the filenames. I've seen the video driver problems, but the OP seemed to have a different one. Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/02/12 00:41, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
On 02/10/2012 10:50 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
There are two .exe files at the root of the DVD:
openSUSE12_2_LOCAL.exe openSUSE12_2_NET.exe
(this was from a 12.1 x86-64 DVD)
Lew, do the above contain typos?
openSUSE 12.2 has only just (today/yesterday) been made available as Milestone #1.
Hi Basil,
No typos, I cut-n-pasted the filenames.
I see what you mean. I just looked at the contents of my own copy of the DVD. I wonder what the just-released Milestone 1 of 12.2 has - 13.0? :-) .
I've seen the video driver problems, but the OP seemed to have a different one.
So it appears. I wish I could remember what are/were the other things which caused the problem. BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Well, it appears I won't try openSUSE after all. I burned, and verified, another 64 bit DVD. Booted it with and without "nomodeset". No joy. Still gets to the splash screen and sits there. Downloaded and burned/verified the 32 bit version. Same thing. Maybe another time. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012/02/11 22:32 (GMT-0600) Billie Walsh composed:
Well, it appears I won't try openSUSE after all. I burned, and verified, another 64 bit DVD. Booted it with and without "nomodeset". No joy. Still gets to the splash screen and sits there. Downloaded and burned/verified the 32 bit version. Same thing. Maybe another time.
For the thread record, what models of motherboard chipset and video chip are failing here? I looked through every one of your posts in this thread, and found no evidence anyone suggested trying installation instructions such as on http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Installation_help Did you try selecting text mode from the F3 menu, or don't you even get that far? Can you try switching to a different keyboard connection type, USB if PS/2 now, or vice versa? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/11/2012 10:55 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012/02/11 22:32 (GMT-0600) Billie Walsh composed:
Well, it appears I won't try openSUSE after all. I burned, and verified, another 64 bit DVD. Booted it with and without "nomodeset". No joy. Still gets to the splash screen and sits there. Downloaded and burned/verified the 32 bit version. Same thing. Maybe another time.
For the thread record, what models of motherboard chipset and video chip are failing here?
I looked through every one of your posts in this thread, and found no evidence anyone suggested trying installation instructions such as on http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Installation_help
Did you try selecting text mode from the F3 menu, or don't you even get that far? Can you try switching to a different keyboard connection type, USB if PS/2 now, or vice versa?
It's an Intel dual core Celeron D, ATI Radeon 200 series graphics, two gigs of memory, and an HP LCD monitor [ HPvs15 ]. The keyboard [ PS2 ], mouse [ PS2 Microsoft tracball actually ] and monitor are switched by a KVM between my main computer and the one I wish to load openSUSE onto. I don't know if there might be some way to disconnect the keyboard and tracball from the KVM and just switch the video. Don't know if there would be some interference or not. [ On my main computer I use the two monitors as a dual monitor/single screen setup in Kubuntu and Windows 7 ] I don't think it's a keyboard/mouse problem because once it's past the boot selection screen there's no input from either one. The keyboard works just fine on the boot selection screen. Once the splash screen loads it never has anything that you could click on or enter data into. I can't even switch back to the other computer with the keyboard stroke. It's like there is no keyboard/mouse driver turned on. I have to push the button on the KVM. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012/02/11 23:17 (GMT-0600) Billie Walsh composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
For the thread record, what models of motherboard chipset and video chip are failing here?
I looked through every one of your posts in this thread, and found no evidence anyone suggested trying installation instructions such as on http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Installation_help
Did you try selecting text mode from the F3 menu, or don't you even get that far? Can you try switching to a different keyboard connection type, USB if PS/2 now, or vice versa?
It's an Intel dual core Celeron D, ATI Radeon 200 series graphics, two gigs of memory, and an HP LCD monitor [ HPvs15 ].
The CPU is for all practical purposes irrelevant. I asked which chipset. lspci from a Kubuntu shell prompt will provide this and more possibly helpful info. It might also matter where that Radeon 200 is. Is it on a separate card, or built onto the motherboard. If the latter, is it sharing RAM with the CPU?
The keyboard [ PS2 ], mouse [ PS2 Microsoft tracball actually ] and monitor are switched by a KVM between my main computer and the one I wish to load openSUSE onto. I don't know if there might be some way to disconnect the keyboard and tracball from the KVM and just switch the video. Don't know if there would be some interference or not. [ On my main computer I use the two monitors as a dual monitor/single screen setup in Kubuntu and Windows 7 ]
I don't think it's a keyboard/mouse problem because once it's past the boot selection screen there's no input from either one. The keyboard works just fine on the boot selection screen. Once the splash screen loads it never has anything that you could click on or enter data into. I can't even switch back to the other computer with the keyboard stroke. It's like there is no keyboard/mouse driver turned on. I have to push the button on the KVM.
The initial boot menu works entirely on BIOS calls. After that, it's the kernel doing its thing. Sounds like one of the F5 noXXX cmdline parameters may be needed for the installation kernel to work with your hardware. Interrupts must be getting lost or diverted if RAM sharing isn't the problem. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Billie Walsh said the following on 02/11/2012 11:32 PM:
Well, it appears I won't try openSUSE after all. I burned, and verified, another 64 bit DVD. Booted it with and without "nomodeset". No joy. Still gets to the splash screen and sits there. Downloaded and burned/verified the 32 bit version. Same thing. Maybe another time.
While I'm all in favour of debugging new releases, I wonder why first-timers go for 12.0 Lets face it, any .0 release has watershed problems, and 12.0 has crossed a lot of watersheds, systemd being the most notorious. In Billie's position I'd try permutations, after all its easy enough to download and burn * 12.0 32-bit * 11.4 64-bit * 11.4 32-bit Billie, the major difference I hear you talking about is the KVM. Perhaps you need to experiment with a machine not on the KVM or take this machine off the KVM. I too use a KVM, but its not a software-switch one. My 'playground' is the floor, dedicated keyboard, mouse and screen, dustbinnies as my audience. -- The problem with comforting illusions is that someone else ends up footing the bill for your comfort. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday, February 12, 2012 06:36 Anton Aylward wrote:
Billie Walsh said the following on 02/11/2012 11:32 PM:
Well, it appears I won't try openSUSE after all. I burned, and verified, another 64 bit DVD. Booted it with and without "nomodeset". No joy. Still gets to the splash screen and sits there. Downloaded and burned/verified the 32 bit version. Same thing. Maybe another time.
While I'm all in favour of debugging new releases, I wonder why first-timers go for 12.0
Because on any distro's website, nowhere will you find it written that the ".0" version is not a good version number to try! Good grief! If that's so true, then Linux should never have gotten out the door and into the mainstream. I don't care *what* version number one has, they *all* will be buggy no matter what hardware one uses/has. Microcrap is no better now than when it was 3.1, yet there's morons still using it and buying it as first- time users, yet it's the world leader (unfortunately) in OS's. -- There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else. -Theodore Roosevelt, 1915 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 12/02/2012 13:36, Anton Aylward a écrit :
Lets face it, any .0 release has watershed problems,
please stop this. 0 number for openSUSE have no more meaning than any other. Simply none. Linux moves very fast and we have (we=all the linux users, not only openSUSE) limited time to test, so some weird problems. But I have to admit the OP problem seems specially harsh. never had this problem on the large number of install I've done (any numer) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
I'm sorry to have bothered everyone. I've decided to give up on loading openSUSE for now. Even after several years of Linux use I'm still no where near a "guru". My skill level is still along the lines of the average home computer user. I pretty much need something that just works. If you have to jump through all sorts of hoops just to get it installed, it's just not for me. I can't imagine what hoops I would have to jump through to get it working after installation. I want to thank all of you for your patient assistance. You've been a great bunch. It's not your fault. In answer to a question Felix asked. The chipset is all ATI except for the network controller, that is a realteck. The box is a basic Windows box so of course the video controller is on the main board and uses shared memory. It's really very plane vanilla as computers go. I bought it off the shelf at Wal Mart almost ten years ago on a "Black Friday" sale. If the computer was all bleeding edge hardware I would expect to have issue installing/running. This thing is very nearly an antique so it should be very well supported. Along the thread somewhere someone suggested using text mode installation. I did get that to work. However, it did not detect my Kubuntu partition for inclusion in Grub. At my skill level I have absolutely no idea how to add that partition into the Grub setup. [ 1Tbyte hard drive partitioned into two 500gig drives. One for Windows and one for Kubuntu. ] It was a bit disappointing that Kubuntu wasn't detected. Another suggestion was to try another keyboard/mouse. I did try a USB keyboard. It did absolutely nothing. Even hitting the "Numlock" key did nothing. No Numlock light or anything. Caps Lock key, same thing. Hitting "Escape" had no effect either. It's like there is no keyboard attached to the computer. No power to the keyboard, nothing. The biggest problem is probably me. I have no desire to have to dig into the guts of an OS. I just want something I can pop in a disk, load it and be off and running. For now Kubuntu does just that for me. Again, I want to thank all of you for your kind assistance. You have been great. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 12/02/2012 16:00, Billie Walsh a écrit :
Along the thread somewhere someone suggested using text mode installation. I did get that to work.
well. So finally it's really a video card problem. If you can afford to send us the exact card model (ubuntu should give you this) and may be the xorg ubuntu verion (or is ubuntu is stock, the ubuntu version, for us to try to fix this However, it did not detect my
Kubuntu partition for inclusion in Grub. At my skill level I have absolutely no idea how to add that partition into the Grub setup. [ 1Tbyte hard drive partitioned into two 500gig drives. One for Windows and one for Kubuntu. ] It was a bit disappointing that Kubuntu wasn't detected.
did you mean you got openSUSE installed, but no ubuntu in grub? if so openSUSE may have changed the partition setup (not to erase ubuntu). if you can boot openSUSE, it should be easy to fix grub. but you may have stopped far before installing openSUSE :-( did you ever try a live openSUSE cd/dvd? sorry you couldn't make your install, it's probably a very small thing that breaks :-( thanks trying jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012/02/12 09:00 (GMT-0600) Billie Walsh composed:
In answer to a question Felix asked. The chipset is all ATI except for the network controller, that is a realteck. The box is a basic Windows box so of course the video controller is on the main board and uses shared memory. It's really very plane vanilla as computers go. I bought it off the shelf at Wal Mart almost ten years ago on a "Black Friday" sale. If the computer was all bleeding edge hardware I would expect to have issue installing/running. This thing is very nearly an antique so it should be very well supported.
Good logic, but the problem is devs who on occasion decide to completely rewrite basic components without any thought given to the march of hardware development. Without those of us in the real world still using perfectly good old hardware testing development versions and reporting broken or missing support from their rewrites, most have no idea what they've done. This is why I do what I do. I have over 30 functioning puters, none of which are less than 5 years old. I install openSUSE Factory on about a dozen of them, representing a decent cross section of old hardware that should still be viable with recent and upcoming releases, and file bugs when I find things that used to work work no longer. But, ATI 200 is not in my inventory, and AFAICT, was never a big seller, nothing like Intel onboard video. All my ATI is on discrete video cards.
Along the thread somewhere someone suggested using text mode installation. I did get that to work. However, it did not detect my Kubuntu partition for inclusion in Grub. At my skill level I have absolutely no idea how to add that partition into the Grub setup. [ 1Tbyte hard drive partitioned into two 500gig drives. One for Windows and one for Kubuntu. ] It was a bit disappointing that Kubuntu wasn't detected.
This is another victim of major app rewrites. *buntu switched to a completely overhauled Grub2 early on. openSUSE so far has stuck with Legacy Grub, because it works for most, and resources have been unavailable for the _many_ changes required in the supporting cast to make the switchover. openSUSE didn't find *buntu because it hasn't been trained yet to recognize its signature. In the mean time, getting *buntu into the openSUSE Grub menu requires no more than adding two short lines to a plain text config file (with any plain text editor), /boot/grub/menu.lst: title Ubuntu chainloader (hd0,1)+1 would do it if the buntu partition is the second partition on the first HD. title Ubuntu chainloader (hd1,0)+1 would do it if the buntu partition is the first partition on the second HD. Since you got text mode install to work, this should be all that's left to do to have both openSUSE and *buntu and Windows available to you in your initial boot menu.
Another suggestion was to try another keyboard/mouse. I did try a USB keyboard. It did absolutely nothing. Even hitting the "Numlock" key did nothing. No Numlock light or anything. Caps Lock key, same thing. Hitting "Escape" had no effect either. It's like there is no keyboard attached to the computer. No power to the keyboard, nothing.
Again, there is a mini menu at the bottom of the initial screen, and F5 would give you some options, one of which would probably make the GUI installer's keyboard and mouse work.
The biggest problem is probably me. I have no desire to have to dig into the guts of an OS. I just want something I can pop in a disk, load it and be off and running. For now Kubuntu does just that for me.
For now, but Kubuntu's last release is about two months away. Canonical pulled its plug last week. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012/02/12 09:00 (GMT-0600) Billie Walsh composed:
In answer to a question Felix asked. The chipset is all ATI except for the network controller, that is a realteck. The box is a basic Windows box so of course the video controller is on the main board and uses shared memory. It's really very plane vanilla as computers go. I bought it off the shelf at Wal Mart almost ten years ago on a "Black Friday" sale. If the computer was all bleeding edge hardware I would expect to have issue installing/running. This thing is very nearly an antique so it should be very well supported.
Good logic, but the problem is devs who on occasion decide to completely rewrite basic components without any thought given to the march of hardware development. Without those of us in the real world still using perfectly good old hardware testing development versions and reporting broken or missing support from their rewrites, most have no idea what they've done. This is why I do what I do. I have over 30 functioning puters, none of which are less than 5 years old. I install openSUSE Factory on about a dozen of them, representing a decent cross section of old hardware that should still be viable with recent and upcoming releases, and file bugs when I find things that used to work work no longer. But, ATI 200 is not in my inventory, and AFAICT, was never a big seller, nothing like Intel onboard video. All my ATI is on discrete video cards.
Along the thread somewhere someone suggested using text mode installation. I did get that to work. However, it did not detect my Kubuntu partition for inclusion in Grub. At my skill level I have absolutely no idea how to add that partition into the Grub setup. [ 1Tbyte hard drive partitioned into two 500gig drives. One for Windows and one for Kubuntu. ] It was a bit disappointing that Kubuntu wasn't detected.
This is another victim of major app rewrites. *buntu switched to a completely overhauled Grub2 early on. openSUSE so far has stuck with Legacy Grub, because it works for most, and resources have been unavailable for the _many_ changes required in the supporting cast to make the switchover. openSUSE didn't find *buntu because it hasn't been trained yet to recognize its signature. In the mean time, getting *buntu into the openSUSE Grub menu requires no more than adding two short lines to a plain text config file (with any plain text editor), /boot/grub/menu.lst: title Ubuntu chainloader (hd0,1)+1 would do it if the buntu partition is the second partition on the first HD. title Ubuntu chainloader (hd1,0)+1 would do it if the buntu partition is the first partition on the second HD. Since you got text mode install to work, this should be all that's left to do to have both openSUSE and *buntu and Windows available to you in your initial boot menu.
Another suggestion was to try another keyboard/mouse. I did try a USB keyboard. It did absolutely nothing. Even hitting the "Numlock" key did nothing. No Numlock light or anything. Caps Lock key, same thing. Hitting "Escape" had no effect either. It's like there is no keyboard attached to the computer. No power to the keyboard, nothing.
Again, there is a mini menu at the bottom of the initial screen, and F5 would give you some options, one of which would probably make the GUI installer's keyboard and mouse work.
The biggest problem is probably me. I have no desire to have to dig into the guts of an OS. I just want something I can pop in a disk, load it and be off and running. For now Kubuntu does just that for me.
For now, but Kubuntu's last release is about two months away. Canonical pulled its plug last week. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/12/2012 10:52 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
For now, but Kubuntu's last release is about two months away. Canonical pulled its plug last week.
that's one reason I thought about giving openSUSE another look. I used it way back and rather liked it but drifted away for whatever reason. I can't remember which versions but I think it was somewhere around version 7 and maybe up through 9 or so. [ I know Basil - I told you 9 up through 10 or 11 but after I thought about it a while....] SuSE was my first foray into the world of Linux. I think I bought the box version at CompUSA, or someplace. One of the things I missed most in the Ubuntu world was always Yast. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/12/2012 10:52 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
In the mean time, getting *buntu into the openSUSE Grub menu requires no more than adding two short lines to a plain text config file (with any plain text editor), /boot/grub/menu.lst:
title Ubuntu chainloader (hd0,1)+1
would do it if the buntu partition is the second partition on the first HD.
Doesn't work. It just pops back to the Grub screen. I suspect there's something missing. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012/02/13 22:20 (GMT-0600) Billie Walsh composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
In the mean time, getting *buntu into the openSUSE Grub menu requires no more than adding two short lines to a plain text config file (with any plain text editor), /boot/grub/menu.lst:
title Ubuntu chainloader (hd0,1)+1
would do it if the buntu partition is the second partition on the first HD.
Doesn't work. It just pops back to the Grub screen. I suspect there's something missing.
I didn't go far enough in that reply. Afterward in another thread I did: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2012-02/msg00638.html Unless you force it otherwise, *buntu always installs Grub to the MBR only, which for most *buntu installs means there is no Grub2 on its / partition, and thus chainloading to it won't do anything. You'll need to create a full stanza in openSUSE's menu.lst to load *buntu's kernel and initrd just as if it was loading an openSUSE kernel/initrd. Just follow the pattern used for the openSUSE kernels, but adjust the actual kernel name to what actually exists, initrd name, (disk/partition) numbers, and root=[device name,partition label,UUID,deviceID] for its / partition and give that a try. If it fails likely there's some additional cmdline argument you'll have to dig out of /boot/grub/grub.cfg stanzas on the *buntu / partition. Once you manage to get *buntu to boot the first time, sometime before doing any updates on it, you'll need to reconfigure it to install Grub2 to only its / partition, in part so that updates won't foul your openSUSE boot configuration, and other part so it's own bootloader config can be functionally kept up to date when its new kernels are installed and initrds updated. Don't forget, menu.lst is just a form of scripting. Once you understand the meaning of the contents of menu.lst, you can use that knowledge to do anything required to get any partition to boot using the Grub shell instead of menu.lst. IOW, without any advance planning or config file editing, you could exit the openSUSE Grub menu immediately to the Grub shell, locate *buntu's kernel and initrd, load them, and boot *buntu. http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/legacy/grub.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/02/12 15:47, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012/02/13 22:20 (GMT-0600) Billie Walsh composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
In the mean time, getting *buntu into the openSUSE Grub menu requires no more than adding two short lines to a plain text config file (with any plain text editor), /boot/grub/menu.lst:
title Ubuntu chainloader (hd0,1)+1
would do it if the buntu partition is the second partition on the first HD.
Doesn't work. It just pops back to the Grub screen. I suspect there's something missing.
I didn't go far enough in that reply. Afterward in another thread I did: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2012-02/msg00638.html
Unless you force it otherwise, *buntu always installs Grub to the MBR only, which for most *buntu installs means there is no Grub2 on its / partition, and thus chainloading to it won't do anything.
You'll need to create a full stanza in openSUSE's menu.lst to load *buntu's kernel and initrd just as if it was loading an openSUSE kernel/initrd. Just follow the pattern used for the openSUSE kernels, but adjust the actual kernel name to what actually exists, initrd name, (disk/partition) numbers, and root=[device name,partition label,UUID,deviceID] for its / partition and give that a try. If it fails likely there's some additional cmdline argument you'll have to dig out of /boot/grub/grub.cfg stanzas on the *buntu / partition.
Once you manage to get *buntu to boot the first time, sometime before doing any updates on it, you'll need to reconfigure it to install Grub2 to only its / partition, in part so that updates won't foul your openSUSE boot configuration, and other part so it's own bootloader config can be functionally kept up to date when its new kernels are installed and initrds updated.
Don't forget, menu.lst is just a form of scripting. Once you understand the meaning of the contents of menu.lst, you can use that knowledge to do anything required to get any partition to boot using the Grub shell instead of menu.lst. IOW, without any advance planning or config file editing, you could exit the openSUSE Grub menu immediately to the Grub shell, locate *buntu's kernel and initrd, load them, and boot *buntu. http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/legacy/grub.html
Felix, Billie has already stated that he is no guru - and all he ever wants now is to simply install a system and *use* it rather than go around fart-arsing around with it. I suggest that you give Billie a clearly written out menu.lst, for example, with which he can replace his current one but *after* he makes a copy of his current one to fall-back on if things go belly up. BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012/02/14 16:20 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:
Felix, Billie has already stated that he is no guru - and all he ever wants now is to simply install a system and *use* it rather than go around fart-arsing around with it.
I suggest that you give Billie a clearly written out menu.lst, for example, with which he can replace his current one but *after* he makes a copy of his current one to fall-back on if things go belly up.
We don't always get what we want. Life gets exponentially complicated as additional operating systems get added. More than one means not simple. More than two means you better get some education about what you're into. There's a limit to how much of what's common sense and/or readily available on the web I will choose to replicate in a mailing list reply, in particular, the need to back up config files before messing with them. I'm not clairvoyant: I don't know what's in Billie's *buntu's grub.cfg. I don't know Billie's partitioning layout. I don't know that Billie's a he and not a she. How did you figure it out? My own affairs do need to take precedence over mailing lists on occasion. :-) -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/02/12 16:43, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012/02/14 16:20 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:
Felix, Billie has already stated that he is no guru - and all he ever wants now is to simply install a system and *use* it rather than go around fart-arsing around with it.
I suggest that you give Billie a clearly written out menu.lst, for example, with which he can replace his current one but *after* he makes a copy of his current one to fall-back on if things go belly up.
We don't always get what we want. Life gets exponentially complicated as additional operating systems get added. More than one means not simple. More than two means you better get some education about what you're into. There's a limit to how much of what's common sense and/or readily available on the web I will choose to replicate in a mailing list reply, in particular, the need to back up config files before messing with them.
I'm not clairvoyant:
I don't know what's in Billie's *buntu's grub.cfg.
I don't know Billie's partitioning layout.
I don't know that Billie's a he and not a she. How did you figure it out?
My own affairs do need to take precedence over mailing lists on occasion. :-)
Ummm. Felix, why not just ask him to give you these details? :-) . BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/02/12 15:20, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/12/2012 10:52 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
In the mean time, getting *buntu into the openSUSE Grub menu requires no more than adding two short lines to a plain text config file (with any plain text editor), /boot/grub/menu.lst:
title Ubuntu chainloader (hd0,1)+1
would do it if the buntu partition is the second partition on the first HD.
Doesn't work. It just pops back to the Grub screen. I suspect there's something missing.
I asked you this question a day or so ago - but no reply. You have a (?)2TB HDD which you had partitioned into 2 parts, one for Windows and one for Ubuntu - and you wanted to install openSUSE as well. The question I asked was: where is openSUSE going to be installed if both partitions are already used? From the problem you now talk about it sounds like you wiped Windows off the system and installed oS there and kept Ubuntu, right? BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/13/2012 11:15 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 14/02/12 15:20, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/12/2012 10:52 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
In the mean time, getting *buntu into the openSUSE Grub menu requires no more than adding two short lines to a plain text config file (with any plain text editor), /boot/grub/menu.lst:
title Ubuntu chainloader (hd0,1)+1
would do it if the buntu partition is the second partition on the first HD.
Doesn't work. It just pops back to the Grub screen. I suspect there's something missing.
I asked you this question a day or so ago - but no reply.
You have a (?)2TB HDD which you had partitioned into 2 parts, one for Windows and one for Ubuntu - and you wanted to install openSUSE as well.
The question I asked was: where is openSUSE going to be installed if both partitions are already used?
From the problem you now talk about it sounds like you wiped Windows off the system and installed oS there and kept Ubuntu, right?
BC
I'm sorry. I have one 1Tbyte, divided into two equal partitions, and one 80 gig hard drive installed. Windows and Kubuntu live on the 1Tbyte and openSuse is on the 80 gig. I had XP on the 80 gig drive before. I've had as many as five hard drives in this thing at different times. This computer has four SATA, two IDE and a floppy connector on the mother board. The trick is to find places to put the drives. I just have to get creative.*<]:oD -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 14/02/2012 06:39, Billie Walsh a écrit :
I'm sorry. I have one 1Tbyte, divided into two equal partitions, and one 80 gig hard drive installed. Windows and Kubuntu live on the 1Tbyte and openSuse is on the 80 gig. I had XP on the 80 gig drive before.
I've had as many as five hard drives in this thing at different times. This computer has four SATA, two IDE and a floppy connector on the mother board. The trick is to find places to put the drives. I just have to get creative.*<]:oD
this configuration is specially tricky, as IDE and SATA drives sometime mixup very badly - that is the disk name can change from ubuntu to opensuse through windows. so, In my opinion, the best way is (on openSUSE) * search google with "findgrub opensuse", you will find the english pages of the openSUSE member "please_try_again" that did a fantastic job on the grub subject * download the findgrub utility (or whatever name he have now - I used it 6 month ago) * go to /boot/grub and copy menu.lst to menu.lst.backup or whaever name you want, just in case * run findgrub there is an interactive option, and even a test one (no writing). The only drawback is that findgrub may add irrelevant entries, that is not all the entries are real OS installs, but normally it finds reallly all what is necessary after that you can edit manually menu.lst and comment out unusable entries, you have only to remember that the default entry is numbered as "default X" on top of menu.lst, X being the entry number numbered from 0 jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/02/12 16:39, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/13/2012 11:15 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 14/02/12 15:20, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/12/2012 10:52 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
In the mean time, getting *buntu into the openSUSE Grub menu requires no more than adding two short lines to a plain text config file (with any plain text editor), /boot/grub/menu.lst:
title Ubuntu chainloader (hd0,1)+1
would do it if the buntu partition is the second partition on the first HD.
Doesn't work. It just pops back to the Grub screen. I suspect there's something missing.
I asked you this question a day or so ago - but no reply.
You have a (?)2TB HDD which you had partitioned into 2 parts, one for Windows and one for Ubuntu - and you wanted to install openSUSE as well.
The question I asked was: where is openSUSE going to be installed if both partitions are already used?
From the problem you now talk about it sounds like you wiped Windows off the system and installed oS there and kept Ubuntu, right?
BC
I'm sorry. I have one 1Tbyte, divided into two equal partitions, and one 80 gig hard drive installed. Windows and Kubuntu live on the 1Tbyte and openSuse is on the 80 gig. I had XP on the 80 gig drive before.
What you just wrote doesn't line up with your original post and, I suspect, would make a great difference to those who are trying to help. You made no mention of an 80GB HDD which is where you seem to have installed openSUSE rather than on the same HDD as Windows and Kubuntu. Your original post stated: QUOTE Computer is an Intel dual core with two gigs memory triple booted with Kubuntu 12.04, Windows 7 and XP. I was/am going to replace the XP with opensuse [ if I can get it installed ]. UNQUOTE So, could you please clarify what is installed and where it is installed? :-)
I've had as many as five hard drives in this thing at different times. This computer has four SATA, two IDE and a floppy connector on the mother board. The trick is to find places to put the drives. I just have to get creative.*<]:oD
BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/14/2012 04:59 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 14/02/12 16:39, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/13/2012 11:15 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 14/02/12 15:20, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/12/2012 10:52 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
In the mean time, getting *buntu into the openSUSE Grub menu requires no more than adding two short lines to a plain text config file (with any plain text editor), /boot/grub/menu.lst:
title Ubuntu chainloader (hd0,1)+1
would do it if the buntu partition is the second partition on the first HD.
Doesn't work. It just pops back to the Grub screen. I suspect there's something missing.
I asked you this question a day or so ago - but no reply.
You have a (?)2TB HDD which you had partitioned into 2 parts, one for Windows and one for Ubuntu - and you wanted to install openSUSE as well.
The question I asked was: where is openSUSE going to be installed if both partitions are already used?
From the problem you now talk about it sounds like you wiped Windows off the system and installed oS there and kept Ubuntu, right?
BC
I'm sorry. I have one 1Tbyte, divided into two equal partitions, and one 80 gig hard drive installed. Windows and Kubuntu live on the 1Tbyte and openSuse is on the 80 gig. I had XP on the 80 gig drive before.
What you just wrote doesn't line up with your original post and, I suspect, would make a great difference to those who are trying to help. You made no mention of an 80GB HDD which is where you seem to have installed openSUSE rather than on the same HDD as Windows and Kubuntu. Your original post stated:
QUOTE
Computer is an Intel dual core with two gigs memory triple booted with Kubuntu 12.04, Windows 7 and XP. I was/am going to replace the XP with opensuse [ if I can get it installed ].
UNQUOTE
So, could you please clarify what is installed and where it is installed? :-)
I've had as many as five hard drives in this thing at different times. This computer has four SATA, two IDE and a floppy connector on the mother board. The trick is to find places to put the drives. I just have to get creative.*<]:oD
BC
Ok. At the time of the original post I didn't think the exact layout was relevant. But here goes. Old hard drive died, so according to conventional wisdom install Windows first. Use Windows to partition the hard drive into two 500gig partitions. [ I like to use Windows at this point because I figure Windows knows better how to move it's own stuff around to make the new partition. ] Installed Kubuntu on second partition. During install the *OLD* XP 80gig drive was still connected and Grub picked up all three operating systems. XP being redundant, I decided to replace it with openSUSE to test openSUSE. All the drives on the computer are now SATA, two hard drives and two DVD. I don't mess with partitioning during OS installs. Just let the installation figure out how best to set up. Anything _REALLY_ important from "Home" I keep backed up in two places external to the machine. As for the Grub issue I can think of a couple possible solutions. I have a Super Grub CD. I might try that later today to set up a new grub. Or, I could boot to a Live CD of Kubuntu and "fix" Grub that way. Just have to work on it and see what happens. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/02/12 02:29, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/14/2012 04:59 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 14/02/12 16:39, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/13/2012 11:15 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 14/02/12 15:20, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/12/2012 10:52 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
In the mean time, getting *buntu into the openSUSE Grub menu requires no more than adding two short lines to a plain text config file (with any plain text editor), /boot/grub/menu.lst:
title Ubuntu chainloader (hd0,1)+1
would do it if the buntu partition is the second partition on the first HD.
Doesn't work. It just pops back to the Grub screen. I suspect there's something missing.
I asked you this question a day or so ago - but no reply.
You have a (?)2TB HDD which you had partitioned into 2 parts, one for Windows and one for Ubuntu - and you wanted to install openSUSE as well.
The question I asked was: where is openSUSE going to be installed if both partitions are already used?
From the problem you now talk about it sounds like you wiped Windows off the system and installed oS there and kept Ubuntu, right?
BC
I'm sorry. I have one 1Tbyte, divided into two equal partitions, and one 80 gig hard drive installed. Windows and Kubuntu live on the 1Tbyte and openSuse is on the 80 gig. I had XP on the 80 gig drive before.
What you just wrote doesn't line up with your original post and, I suspect, would make a great difference to those who are trying to help. You made no mention of an 80GB HDD which is where you seem to have installed openSUSE rather than on the same HDD as Windows and Kubuntu. Your original post stated:
QUOTE
Computer is an Intel dual core with two gigs memory triple booted with Kubuntu 12.04, Windows 7 and XP. I was/am going to replace the XP with opensuse [ if I can get it installed ].
UNQUOTE
So, could you please clarify what is installed and where it is installed? :-)
I've had as many as five hard drives in this thing at different times. This computer has four SATA, two IDE and a floppy connector on the mother board. The trick is to find places to put the drives. I just have to get creative.*<]:oD
BC
Ok. At the time of the original post I didn't think the exact layout was relevant. But here goes.
OK, so you started off with a TB HDD and an 80GB HDD. You had Windows 7 installed on one partition of the 1TB drive and Kubuntu on the second (500GB) partition on the 1TB drive. You also had Windows XP installed on the second, the 80GB, HDD. You then installed openSUSE 12.1 on the second 80GB HDD and replaced Windows XP. Correct so far, yes? This second 80GB HDD how was it formatted? That is, was it the typical Windows configuration where the whole HDD is formatted as an Extension (and not Primary) and any partitions within it as logical drives? When you installed oS and overwrote Windows XP on this 80GB drive what did the oS installation tell you it was going to do with regards to where it is going to put grub? In the mbr or the boot partition and on which HDD - the first or the second?
Old hard drive died, so according to conventional wisdom install Windows first. Use Windows to partition the hard drive into two 500gig partitions. [ I like to use Windows at this point because I figure Windows knows better how to move it's own stuff around to make the new partition. ]
Which is prudent: use Windows for Windows, but don't use Windows for other systems like Linux because Windows is brain-dead.
Installed Kubuntu on second partition. During install
I guess here you mean the installation of Kubuntu?
the *OLD* XP 80gig drive was still connected and Grub picked up all three operating systems. XP being redundant, I decided to replace it with openSUSE to test openSUSE. All the drives on the computer are now SATA, two hard drives and two DVD.
I don't mess with partitioning during OS installs. Just let the installation figure out how best to set up.
Well, if you were simply replacing XP on the second HDD then OK, no hassles. Only thing is where did oS 12.1 decide to put grub? There is a warning, in red colour, about the placement of grub and that put in the wrong place the systems may not boot.
Anything _REALLY_ important from "Home" I keep backed up in two places external to the machine.
As for the Grub issue I can think of a couple possible solutions. I have a Super Grub CD. I might try that later today to set up a new grub. Or, I could boot to a Live CD of Kubuntu and "fix" Grub that way. Just have to work on it and see what happens.
BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/15/2012 06:40 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 15/02/12 02:29, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 02/14/2012 04:59 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
So, could you please clarify what is installed and where it is installed? :-)
I've had as many as five hard drives in this thing at different times. This computer has four SATA, two IDE and a floppy connector on the mother board. The trick is to find places to put the drives. I just have to get creative.*<]:oD
BC
Ok. At the time of the original post I didn't think the exact layout was relevant. But here goes.
OK, so you started off with a TB HDD and an 80GB HDD.
You had Windows 7 installed on one partition of the 1TB drive and Kubuntu on the second (500GB) partition on the 1TB drive.
You also had Windows XP installed on the second, the 80GB, HDD.
You then installed openSUSE 12.1 on the second 80GB HDD and replaced Windows XP.
Correct so far, yes?
This second 80GB HDD how was it formatted? That is, was it the typical Windows configuration where the whole HDD is formatted as an Extension (and not Primary) and any partitions within it as logical drives?
When you installed oS and overwrote Windows XP on this 80GB drive what did the oS installation tell you it was going to do with regards to where it is going to put grub? In the mbr or the boot partition and on which HDD - the first or the second?
Old hard drive died, so according to conventional wisdom install Windows first. Use Windows to partition the hard drive into two 500gig partitions. [ I like to use Windows at this point because I figure Windows knows better how to move it's own stuff around to make the new partition. ]
Which is prudent: use Windows for Windows, but don't use Windows for other systems like Linux because Windows is brain-dead.
Installed Kubuntu on second partition. During install
I guess here you mean the installation of Kubuntu?
the *OLD* XP 80gig drive was still connected and Grub picked up all three operating systems. XP being redundant, I decided to replace it with openSUSE to test openSUSE. All the drives on the computer are now SATA, two hard drives and two DVD.
I don't mess with partitioning during OS installs. Just let the installation figure out how best to set up.
Well, if you were simply replacing XP on the second HDD then OK, no hassles.
Only thing is where did oS 12.1 decide to put grub? There is a warning, in red colour, about the placement of grub and that put in the wrong place the systems may not boot.
BC
Well, right now it's all kind of moot. Everything is borked except Windows. It's ok though because Windows is the OS that I need on this computer most. Kubuntu was there as a backup in case my main computer choked and openSUSE was for testing. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/02/12 01:51, Billie Walsh wrote: [pruned]
Well, right now it's all kind of moot. Everything is borked except Windows. It's ok though because Windows is the OS that I need on this computer most. Kubuntu was there as a backup in case my main computer choked and openSUSE was for testing.
You do have a way with words, Billie O:-) . You have Kubuntu as your backup in case your main computer goes belly-up -- but you have Kubuntu installed on the same computer and the same HDD..... I guess that you must have a contingency plan should the HDD, containing both Windows and your Kubuntu, goes belly-up? (As part of my contingency plan, for years I have installed all my HDDs in cradles and I can therefore move them from computer to computer in case one of the machines comes up with a puff of smoke from its innards :-) .) BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/16/2012 12:07 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 16/02/12 01:51, Billie Walsh wrote:
[pruned]
Well, right now it's all kind of moot. Everything is borked except Windows. It's ok though because Windows is the OS that I need on this computer most. Kubuntu was there as a backup in case my main computer choked and openSUSE was for testing.
You do have a way with words, Billie O:-) . You have Kubuntu as your backup in case your main computer goes belly-up -- but you have Kubuntu installed on the same computer and the same HDD..... I guess that you must have a contingency plan should the HDD, containing both Windows and your Kubuntu, goes belly-up?
(As part of my contingency plan, for years I have installed all my HDDs in cradles and I can therefore move them from computer to computer in case one of the machines comes up with a puff of smoke from its innards :-) .)
BC
Actually, I have two desktops. My main computer is an Acer AMD quadcore. This one I hammer ever day. Call it my "production machine". The eMachine Intel dual core that I have been talking about, I use to primarily run Windows for those few things that I just can't find a way to do in Linux. I keep an updated, and set up, Kubunutu in case the Acer goes "belly-up". I would like to replace the dual core with another quad core, but being retired and independently broke makes that difficult at this time. I also have a full size laptop [ Kubuntu/Windows ], an Asus net book [ Kubuntu only ] and a Dell Duo net book/tablet [ It's a little bigger and heavier than a tablet but has the functionality of both a net book and a tablet. Windows only at this time. ]. What I call my really important information is stored on an external hard drive AND another machine at home as a backup to my regular computers. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 13/02/12 02:00, Billie Walsh wrote:
I'm sorry to have bothered everyone. I've decided to give up on loading openSUSE for now. Even after several years of Linux use I'm still no where near a "guru". My skill level is still along the lines of the average home computer user. I pretty much need something that just works. If you have to jump through all sorts of hoops just to get it installed, it's just not for me. I can't imagine what hoops I would have to jump through to get it working after installation.
Very sorry to hear that you have given up. But then, I don't blame you. You wouldn't be the first one to throw openSUSE away because of this - and I do wonder how many people have, in fact, gone away and spread the word to "stay away from openSUSE"[$] [pruned]
Along the thread somewhere someone suggested using text mode installation. I did get that to work. However, it did not detect my Kubuntu partition for inclusion in Grub. At my skill level I have absolutely no idea how to add that partition into the Grub setup. [ 1Tbyte hard drive partitioned into two 500gig drives. One for Windows and one for Kubuntu. ] It was a bit disappointing that Kubuntu wasn't detected.
Just wondering......if your 1TB drive is split into 2 partitions, one for Windows and the other for Kubuntu, where would openSUSE install itself? [$] The advertising industry knows that bad news spreads very quickly, and 1 unhappy person lets 20 others know the bad news. Good news, on the other hand, hardly moves at all from person to person..... BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
[$] The advertising industry knows that bad news spreads very quickly,
As did Douglas Adams. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-9.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2/12/2012 10:00 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:
Along the thread somewhere someone suggested using text mode installation. I did get that to work.
AHA! I thought so! You can disregard my previous post now of course. This is what I said I didn't see you say you tried, and solidifies the guessing up to that point. Don't sweat it. I agree, by now you should be able to expect it to work better than that. This isn't 1994. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012/02/12 07:36 (GMT-0500) Anton Aylward composed:
While I'm all in favour of debugging new releases, I wonder why first-timers go for 12.0
Lets face it, any .0 release has watershed problems
Maybe that's why there is and never was released any openSUSE version 12.0. :-) -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2/11/2012 11:32 PM, Billie Walsh wrote:
Well, it appears I won't try openSUSE after all. I burned, and verified, another 64 bit DVD. Booted it with and without "nomodeset". No joy. Still gets to the splash screen and sits there. Downloaded and burned/verified the 32 bit version. Same thing. Maybe another time.
I also told you to try both nomodeset and text at the same time, which I don't see you saying you did. With text and nomodeset you shouldn't get any splash. No gui at all, not even switching to a high resolution text mode, just BIOS 80x25 text, safe as houses. At least it _should_. I'm really not sure there is a really "safe as houses" option anymore. For one thing, the boot loader already uses graphics before you have any chance to prevent it, but that graphics should be ok in all but really headless situations like serial console. It doesn't matter how it always used to work. Many things have fallen by the wayside lately and more are in the process of changing as we speak. The reason we're saying maybe video driver problems is because now there are video card drivers right in the kernel, and sometimes they choke on the same hardware where the old basic framebuffer code worked fine. One reason to try kernel commandline options to disable all video access is not just to see if it allows you to install using the text-mode installer, but also to prevent the screen from blanking out and/or hiding the kernel console messages behind a splash image. If the console is never reset during boot, then you should see any error messages, or at least see the last non-error message before it hangs, and maybe the keyboard won't lock up and maybe you'll be able to Alt-F2 F3...F9 to see the other logs that get written to those other virtual console screens. I don't blame you for being annoyed. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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