Re: [opensuse] Sharing kmail folders on network versus IMAP, versus?
On 01/03/2011 03:34 PM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:04 +0530, Gustav Degreef wrote:
On 01/02/2011 09:16 PM, James Knott wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Gustav Degreef wrote:
Is there a way for them to share the same inbox, sent, drafts, etc. folders over the network? If not, then is it possible to easily switch to imap?
Gmail supports IMAP. Just create the new IMAP accounts on the email clients and leave the POP account in place, so that the old mail will remain available. If desired, you can move the existing mail from the POP folders to new ones on the IMAP server. Once that's been completed, you can delete the POP accounts from the email clients. Of course, with gmail, the users can also use web mail access, when away from their computers and have all their mail available.
Forgot to mention, when you set up IMAP, turn off the POP downloads, so that new messages will only appear in IMAP.
Very much appreciate all the input, I went to the gmail page and looked at the imap info.
One of the reasons I am not sure about IMAP is that my friends' office staff have many kmail folders where the mail is sorted to. The mail is sorted to folders with reference to individual person, topic, status, etc., etc. The folders have become complex over the eight years of use. But the Gmail webmail interface does not have the capacity to create folders. If my friends switch from POP to IMAP could they retain the folders and folder structure that has evolved? That is why we were considering sharing the kmail folders on their internal network. Thanks, Gustav.
I also sort e-mail to many folders. So I have my gmail forwarded to my Linux system. So I do not use imap or pop with gmail. This way all mail arrives via SMTP, where it is sorted into IMAP folders using procmail. Thus I only set up filters in one place, independent of any reader. I run an imap server so I can access these anywhere. This also means I can use any e-mail reader locally without the worry of how it will store e-mail. The advantage of using imap is that it sorts out maintaining info about new/unread/read messages across all readers on different machines. Exporting kmail limits this to kmail.
So, maybe use gmail forwarding?
Yours sincerely,
Roger Oberholtzer
Sorry, I seem to have horribly messed up this thread. Trying to continue the discussion on a new thread. Sounds like a nice arrangement, could work for us, but I don't know anything about procmail. And I would need some kind of link to a tutorial before even attempting it. I have installed the new system for my friends, now to configure it. Any pointers to an online how to etc. would be great. I looked in the opensuse SDB but nothing seems to be close to what we need. Thanks for the tips. Gustav. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 18:44 +0530, Gustav Degreef wrote:
Sorry, I seem to have horribly messed up this thread. Trying to continue the discussion on a new thread.
Perhaps the gmail stuff is off target. But I think you will not be happy just sharing the kmail directories. I do not know if kmail does any locking, or if that locking works over, say, NFS. Two programs accessing (or just having open) the mail at the same time could be a disaster. This is why it is better to use IMAP. It is designed specifically for sharing mail folders. I also use it so my e-mail is stored independent of the mail-program-of-the-day. I can easily switch to another reader if it supports IMAP. Most do. procmail is worth investigating. There are lots of docs and recipes. The syntax can be very simple if you don't need anything too fancy.
Sounds like a nice arrangement, could work for us, but I don't know anything about procmail. And I would need some kind of link to a tutorial before even attempting it. I have installed the new system for my friends, now to configure it. Any pointers to an online how to etc. would be great. I looked in the opensuse SDB but nothing seems to be close to what we need. Thanks for the tips. Gustav.
Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 18:44 +0530, Gustav Degreef wrote: This is why it is better to use IMAP. It is designed specifically for sharing mail folders. I also use it so my e-mail is stored independent of the mail-program-of-the-day. I can easily switch to another reader if it supports IMAP. Most do. procmail is worth investigating. There are lots of docs and recipes. The syntax can be very simple if you don't need anything too fancy.
I'd recommend SIEVE over procmail [and your IMAP server may already support it - no additional cruft] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 09:11 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 18:44 +0530, Gustav Degreef wrote: This is why it is better to use IMAP. It is designed specifically for sharing mail folders. I also use it so my e-mail is stored independent of the mail-program-of-the-day. I can easily switch to another reader if it supports IMAP. Most do. procmail is worth investigating. There are lots of docs and recipes. The syntax can be very simple if you don't need anything too fancy.
I'd recommend SIEVE over procmail [and your IMAP server may already support it - no additional cruft]
I'm using courier imap. Mainly because I have always used it and it works for me. I have considered others. But I saw no real advantage. It also works talking to the imap proxy on my firewall. That bit of the puzzle I would like to get rid of... Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2011-01-03 at 15:05 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
Perhaps the gmail stuff is off target. But I think you will not be happy just sharing the kmail directories. I do not know if kmail does any locking, or if that locking works over, say, NFS. Two programs accessing (or just having open) the mail at the same time could be a disaster.
It should do locking, which would mean that it would give an error if you try to open the same folder(s) from two computers (or same computer, two programs/users).
This is why it is better to use IMAP. It is designed specifically for sharing mail folders. I also use it so my e-mail is stored independent of the mail-program-of-the-day. I can easily switch to another reader if it supports IMAP. Most do.
Same here. Using imap is quite interesting even for a single user.
procmail is worth investigating. There are lots of docs and recipes. The syntax can be very simple if you don't need anything too fancy.
Procmail is very simple, really. In "man procmailex" there are examples, it is one of the few easy to read, user oriented, man pages :-) As for imap, I wrote my notes on how to migrate from local folders to imap using dovecot in the forum: View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=447542 - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk0ilyYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WXuwCfWm4gPBxL3fgeQDd7UHVR1OSX ibkAn3V5SF88q9qMLnVOzIoSyTEhWEId =ZYjT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 01/04/2011 09:12 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Monday, 2011-01-03 at 15:05 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
Perhaps the gmail stuff is off target. But I think you will not be happy just sharing the kmail directories. I do not know if kmail does any locking, or if that locking works over, say, NFS. Two programs accessing (or just having open) the mail at the same time could be a disaster.
It should do locking, which would mean that it would give an error if you try to open the same folder(s) from two computers (or same computer, two programs/users).
This is why it is better to use IMAP. It is designed specifically for sharing mail folders. I also use it so my e-mail is stored independent of the mail-program-of-the-day. I can easily switch to another reader if it supports IMAP. Most do.
Same here. Using imap is quite interesting even for a single user.
procmail is worth investigating. There are lots of docs and recipes. The syntax can be very simple if you don't need anything too fancy.
Procmail is very simple, really. In "man procmailex" there are examples, it is one of the few easy to read, user oriented, man pages :-)
As for imap, I wrote my notes on how to migrate from local folders to imap using dovecot in the forum:
View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=447542
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
OK, very clear. Sharing the folders is not a good idea and IMAP is the way to go. Roger, thanks for all your posts. Carlos, I’ll look at your notes and read up on IMAP on gmail also. I installed the new 11.3 system already and I'm going to configure it in a couple of days. The migration to imap will take some time. it's a challenge, but I'm looking forward to it. I may follow-up on this thread later if I need more help. I really appreciate everyone elses input. Gustav. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2011-01-04 at 14:49 +0530, Gustav Degreef wrote:
to imap will take some time. it's a challenge, but I'm looking forward to it. I may follow-up on this thread later if I need more help. I really appreciate everyone elses input. Gustav.
I had the same fears as you, but it was really easier than I thought. I'm using dovecot. Notice that, at least with dovecot, you don't need to change how you get and clasify your email. You can download email using kmail, do the filtering with whatever tools kmail has (or evince, or thunderbird, or pine... whatever). The only thing that changes is where you store the email. Or not: I haven't changed how I do all that. With Alpine I can access my folders directly, as files in my home folder, or via imap. I have both worlds. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk0jgM4ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UYsQCfReJkq52kBqGrsWzouFdZwciu L/8Aniq4WN6ozeZ/kRZG0q5kK8g9DFG7 =iX3l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 1/4/2011 1:19 AM, Gustav Degreef wrote:
OK, very clear. Sharing the folders is not a good idea and IMAP is the way to go. Roger, thanks for all your posts. Carlos, I�ll look at your notes and read up on IMAP on gmail also. I installed the new 11.3 system already and I'm going to configure it in a couple of days. The migration to imap will take some time. it's a challenge, but I'm looking forward to it. I may follow-up on this thread later if I need more help. I really appreciate everyone elses input. Gustav.
I've sort of lost track of the thread, but will just toss this in for what its worth.... Many long years ago when we moved from pop to imap (changing servers), we simply weeded the chaff out of our local pop mailboxes and folders, replicated the folders on the imap account, and simply dragged huge quantities of mail from local pop mbox to the imap account folders. Its not quick if the target is remote , but it didn't need to be monitored, and would grind away quite reliably. This was back in the kmail under KDE 3.something, which quite frankly seemed more stable than today's version. It makes it possible to cleanly break away from local message repositories and make historical mail available to everyone using the same imap account. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 03/01/11 13:14, Gustav Degreef wrote:
On 01/03/2011 03:34 PM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:04 +0530, Gustav Degreef wrote:
On 01/02/2011 09:16 PM, James Knott wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Gustav Degreef wrote:
Is there a way for them to share the same inbox, sent, drafts, etc. folders over the network? If not, then is it possible to easily switch to imap?
Gmail supports IMAP. Just create the new IMAP accounts on the email clients and leave the POP account in place, so that the old mail will remain available. If desired, you can move the existing mail from the POP folders to new ones on the IMAP server. Once that's been completed, you can delete the POP accounts from the email clients. Of course, with gmail, the users can also use web mail access, when away from their computers and have all their mail available.
Forgot to mention, when you set up IMAP, turn off the POP downloads, so that new messages will only appear in IMAP.
Very much appreciate all the input, I went to the gmail page and looked at the imap info.
One of the reasons I am not sure about IMAP is that my friends' office staff have many kmail folders where the mail is sorted to. The mail is sorted to folders with reference to individual person, topic, status, etc., etc. The folders have become complex over the eight years of use. But the Gmail webmail interface does not have the capacity to create folders. If my friends switch from POP to IMAP could they retain the folders and folder structure that has evolved? That is why we were considering sharing the kmail folders on their internal network. Thanks, Gustav.
I also sort e-mail to many folders. So I have my gmail forwarded to my Linux system. So I do not use imap or pop with gmail. This way all mail arrives via SMTP, where it is sorted into IMAP folders using procmail. Thus I only set up filters in one place, independent of any reader. I run an imap server so I can access these anywhere. This also means I can use any e-mail reader locally without the worry of how it will store e-mail. The advantage of using imap is that it sorts out maintaining info about new/unread/read messages across all readers on different machines. Exporting kmail limits this to kmail.
So, maybe use gmail forwarding?
Yours sincerely,
Roger Oberholtzer
Sorry, I seem to have horribly messed up this thread. Trying to continue the discussion on a new thread.
Sounds like a nice arrangement, could work for us, but I don't know anything about procmail. And I would need some kind of link to a tutorial before even attempting it. I have installed the new system for my friends, now to configure it. Any pointers to an online how to etc. would be great. I looked in the opensuse SDB but nothing seems to be close to what we need. Thanks for the tips. Gustav.
Gmail IMAP does support folders - they just show up as "Labels" in the web-interface. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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