[opensuse] Panel problems
In v10.3 I had a second panel, positioned at the top of the screen, in which I had installed the icons of frequently used programs and utilities. Now in 11.1 I have put a similar second panel, but do not find a way to install applications, only widgets. Is there no way to do this? Was there an actual reason for removing that capability? The transparent folder at the upper- left of the screen is not an adequate substitute. The digital clock widget (one of the few that I find useful, also presents a problem. When I installed this release, I checked the box for setting the hardware clock on GMT. The digital clock now also shows GMT, even when I set its time zone setting to local time here, which is two hours ahead, independent of whether or not "Use local time zone" is checked. What is wrong? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 12:53 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:
In v10.3 I had a second panel, positioned at the top of the screen, in which I had installed the icons of frequently used programs and utilities. Now in 11.1 I have put a similar second panel, but do not find a way to install applications, only widgets. Is there no way to do this? Was there an actual reason for removing that capability? The transparent folder at the upper- left of the screen is not an adequate substitute.
Adding programs is a bit more roundabout now. First, the KDE menu must be in "Kickoff style", not "Classic". Right click over the menu icon to select this. After it is in Kickoff style, go to the app you want to add and activate the right mouse button. The popup menu lets you put an icon for that app on the desktop or the panel.
The digital clock widget (one of the few that I find useful, also presents a problem. When I installed this release, I checked the box for setting the hardware clock on GMT. The digital clock now also shows GMT, even when I set its time zone setting to local time here, which is two hours ahead, independent of whether or not "Use local time zone" is checked. What is wrong?
I cannot say. I have the same setup and mine works. I have the digital clock configured to use the local timezone (the popup menu at the bottom of the list of a zillion timezones in the clock's configure popup). I did not select Stockholm here (only when I installed the system). In a Konsole, what do you get for the date command? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 09 February 2009 05:24:19 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 12:53 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:
In v10.3 I had a second panel, positioned at the top of the screen, in which I had installed the icons of frequently used programs and utilities. Now in 11.1 I have put a similar second panel, but do not find a way to install applications, only widgets. Is there no way to do this? Was there an actual reason for removing that capability? The transparent folder at the upper- left of the screen is not an adequate substitute.
Adding programs is a bit more roundabout now. First, the KDE menu must be in "Kickoff style", not "Classic". Right click over the menu icon to select this. After it is in Kickoff style, go to the app you want to add and activate the right mouse button. The popup menu lets you put an icon for that app on the desktop or the panel.
Good to know this; it is certainly not intuitive.
The digital clock widget (one of the few that I find useful, also presents a problem. When I installed this release, I checked the box for setting the hardware clock on GMT. The digital clock now also shows GMT, even when I set its time zone setting to local time here, which is two hours ahead, independent of whether or not "Use local time zone" is checked. What is wrong?
I cannot say. I have the same setup and mine works. I have the digital clock configured to use the local timezone (the popup menu at the bottom of the list of a zillion timezones in the clock's configure popup). I did not select Stockholm here (only when I installed the system).
In a Konsole, what do you get for the date command?
At a time when the clock on the wall said 1642, both the digital clock and the date command showed 1442. That is also what the Date & Time -Personal Settings window said, although I set it manually yesterday to the correct time (clicking on Jerusalem > Apply does nothing).. I tried setting to other cities: Juneau read 0404, and I don't know if that is right or not, but setting Digital Clock to Juneau also makes it read 0404 (a little later now actually). Setting Date & Time to Stockholm makes it read 1413 right now, although if I remember correctly, you are at GMT+1, so your correct time is 1613. Something is screwed up.
-- Roger Oberholtzer
OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST
Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden
Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696
-- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 15:19 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:
At a time when the clock on the wall said 1642, both the digital clock and the date command showed 1442. That is also what the Date & Time -Personal Settings window said, although I set it manually yesterday to the correct time (clicking on Jerusalem > Apply does nothing).. I tried setting to other cities: Juneau read 0404, and I don't know if that is right or not, but setting Digital Clock to Juneau also makes it read 0404 (a little later now actually). Setting Date & Time to Stockholm makes it read 1413 right now, although if I remember correctly, you are at GMT+1, so your correct time is 1613.
Something is screwed up.
What is the time in your BIOS? Is it GMT? Do you boot any other OS? If so, and the other one comes from Redmond WA USA, then you need to set the bios clock to the local time. The GMT thing only works with Linux. Windows sets the bios clock to the local time - and leaves it that way. What is the time in your BIOS? Is it GMT? I do not think there is much you can do. The main thing you loose is that when the bios clock is not set to GMT, then Linux will not do daylight savings changes automatically. Or, at least it was that way not so very long ago. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
At 17:38:42 on Monday Monday 09 February 2009, Roger Oberholtzer
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 15:19 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:
At a time when the clock on the wall said 1642, both the digital clock and the date command showed 1442. That is also what the Date & Time -Personal Settings window said, although I set it manually yesterday to the correct time (clicking on Jerusalem > Apply does nothing).. I tried setting to other cities: Juneau read 0404, and I don't know if that is right or not, but setting Digital Clock to Juneau also makes it read 0404 (a little later now actually). Setting Date & Time to Stockholm makes it read 1413 right now, although if I remember correctly, you are at GMT+1, so your correct time is 1613.
Something is screwed up.
What is the time in your BIOS? Is it GMT?
Do you boot any other OS? If so, and the other one comes from Redmond WA USA, then you need to set the bios clock to the local time. The GMT thing only works with Linux. Windows sets the bios clock to the local time - and leaves it that way. What is the time in your BIOS? Is it GMT? I do not think there is much you can do. The main thing you loose is that when the bios clock is not set to GMT, then Linux will not do daylight savings changes automatically. Or, at least it was that way not so very long ago.
The date command shows the BIOS time, no? In v10.3 (which is installed in another drive on the same system) date shows the correct local time. In v11.1, it shows two hours back, i.e. GMT. I do not run Windows. I never have.
-- Roger Oberholtzer
OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST
Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden
Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696
-- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 18:12 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:
The date command shows the BIOS time, no? In v10.3 (which is installed in another drive on the same system) date shows the correct local time. In v11.1, it shows two hours back, i.e. GMT.
The date command, by default, shows local time. The -u option is needed for seeing utc time. I think it can also be used to set utc time. But this can be easily done wrong. I would suggest you: 1) boot into the BIOS and set the time to utc 2) boot into linux and see what you get. The -u option to date should help getting the utc. But I would surely set it in the bios myself first. Then see what happens.
I do not run Windows. I never have.
Lucky you. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Stan Goodman wrote:
Good to know this; it is certainly not intuitive.
Remember kde4 is 'simplified' for new users..... You just now have to 'stand on your left foot' + 'wiggle your right ear' then do what you could once do with a single mouse click. Same thing applies to trying to add 'menus' to a panel, say like the editors menu... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
At 22:41:42 on Monday Monday 09 February 2009, "David C. Rankin"
Stan Goodman wrote:
Good to know this; it is certainly not intuitive.
Remember kde4 is 'simplified' for new users.....
Oh. I had thought it was vastly overdone =;-/8. I may delete v11.1 and give it another try, choosing this time the kde3 desktop. The kde team seems to have spent the past year devising bells and whistles.
You just now have to 'stand on your left foot' + 'wiggle your right ear' then do what you could once do with a single mouse click.
I am ever so glad to hear this from someone other than me.
Same thing applies to trying to add 'menus' to a panel, say like the editors menu...
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
-- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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