* Leendert Meyer [09-20-04 19:20]:

You are so fond on manuals, aren't you? ;)

Yes, with my education, manuals are *necessary*.

I did a 'apropos ipv6', lo and behold: there is a manual page about ipv6!

I'm embarrassed.

From 'man ipv6':

Special addresses are ::1 for loopback and ::FFFF:<IPv4 address> for IPv4-mapped-on-IPv6.

At least my suspicions were in the ballpark (US slang for close).

Cheers,

And to you. I'll get the next round. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

* Leendert Meyer [09-21-04 05:39]:

On Tuesday 21 September 2004 02:49, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Yes, with my education, manuals are *necessary*.

How come? Because you're a late linux bloomer?

Late?? not really, *old* cp/m -> dos -> os/2 -> linux with a smattering of minix/linux just before os/2. really had trouble learning to use the mouse, never where I expected it to be. Got a Kensington Track-Ball and was happy as a lark until two of them when bad at us$90 a pop. such are the ravings of a senior citizen -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

* Leendert Meyer [09-21-04 10:57]:

How long did the trackball last? And what went wrong?

first was about 3 years but the second only about 18 months. Should send them back to Kensington, supposed to be life-time warranty. Really liked the second best, four buttons and the ball and the buttons were individually programmable. I'm still using a GrateWeigh 2000 keyboard with the extra function keys on the left and the nw-ne-se-sw arrow keys and every key programmable w/o software (and no windoz keys - too old). -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

Danny, On Tuesday 21 September 2004 14:42, Danny Sauer wrote:

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Picture a whole computer lab full of those keyboards. Then picture the students using them being 1) computer illiterate and 2) at a community college. Now picture the nightmare for the admin running those labs. "Sometimes the 'k' key types an 'l'", etc...

How realistic is the picture of a community college lab full of "computer illiterate" students? Have I come unstuck in time again? I was sure it was 2004...

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--Danny, once stuck with lots of legacy hardware and no budget to replace it :(

Randall Schulz

Danny Sauer wrote:

Randall wrote regarding 'Re: [SLE] Odd (to me) addressing question' on Tue, Sep 21 at 16:54:

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Danny,

On Tuesday 21 September 2004 14:42, Danny Sauer wrote: Well, I left 5 years ago, so this was > 5 years ago. Also, this was the nursing/biology/physical education wing. In general, I'm not big on stereotypes - but you don't exactly get the cream of the crop in those programs at a community college, in general. The staff wasn't much better, for that matter. :)

Trust me. They were pretty consistently computer illiterate. Actively malicious people don't do the kinds of things I saw in those labs. Now, running the *nix lab wasn't too bad, since the wannabe hax0rs at the community college usually aren't very good. But those PE people. OMG. "Is it plugged in?" *sigh*

A few years ago, I attended a Warp Server course at IBM. One of the participants didn't even know how to put a floppy disk into the drive! It seems the "boss" couldn't make the course, so he sent someone else in his place.

*** Reply to message from Patrick Shanahan on Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:57:57 -0500 One more candle and a trip around the Sun***

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Yes, with my education, manuals are *necessary*.

How come? Because you're a late linux bloomer?

I think manuals are necessery no matter the education level, simply because, even Einstein couldn't remember every single thing in his head. And it is easier to access info via index than to search every nook and cranny of any person's brain. It's been obvious for a great deal of time now that no two humans seem to store information in the identical way, nor learn it in identical fashion. If it were so, that all people used one method, schools whould be much more successfull , at least cramming in facts and how to access same. And as most of us know they just aren't very good at even that. Learning is an individualized activity, the pity is , not enough people have any longer access to good help in learning. But anyone who can read and comprehend can get information needed to execute some command or program or do some job, even if only the ironing and washing by following along the instructions in the manuals that come w/ any appliance. ( Even those so dumbed down as to be basically pictorials )

Late?? not really, *old* cp/m -> dos -> os/2 -> linux

yeah, my path w/ the little boxes , as well. Did you ever get to play w/ the big iron? <G> It still amazes me that people insist there was no "internet" before Berners-Lee invented the weg organization of it... <Sigh> ( not to in anyway denigrate that gentleman's contribution, we would very likely still be a small community of geeks rather than the current world wide conglomerate of computer users. Even some few w/ real knowledge of the power we weild. <g>) -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit

jfweber wrote regarding 'Re: [SLE] Odd (to me) addressing question' on Tue, Sep 21 at 13:49:

*** Reply to message from Patrick Shanahan on Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:57:57 -0500 One more candle and a trip around the Sun***

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Yes, with my education, manuals are *necessary*.

How come? Because you're a late linux bloomer?

I think manuals are necessery no matter the education level, simply because, even Einstein couldn't remember every single thing in his head. And it is easier to access info via index than to search every nook and cranny of any person's brain.

Wasn't Einstein the one with the quote about not remembering his phone number, because it could easily be looked up in any phonebook? Maybe that was Edison. Eh, whatever. The point is, documentation's useful. Or something. --Danny, who tries not to remember things that are easily looked up ;)

Yo! On Tuesday 21 September 2004 23:37, Terence McCarthy wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:39:24 -0500 D

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Wasn't Einstein the one with the quote about not remembering his phone number, because it could easily be looked up in any phonebook?

IIRC it was Einstein, after a lecture, on being asked the speed of light. "If I need to know it, I can look it up" or words to that effect.

What's to look up? It's c. Extra credit for those who know how that letter was chosen / for what it stands.

Terence

RRS

On Wednesday 22 September 2004 11:13, Kolja Kauder wrote:

Randall R Schulz wrote:

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What's to look up? It's c.

Extra credit for those who know how that letter was chosen / for what it stands.

I know! I know!! http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/c.html

Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding! Baez's notes are a very good source for those interested in physics. That's all of us, right?

Well, I knew before (school Latin helps...). But this seems pretty exhaustive.

KK

RRS

Randall R Schulz wrote:

Yo!

On Tuesday 21 September 2004 23:37, Terence McCarthy wrote:

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:39:24 -0500 D

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Wasn't Einstein the one with the quote about not remembering his phone number, because it could easily be looked up in any phonebook?

IIRC it was Einstein, after a lecture, on being asked the speed of light. "If I need to know it, I can look it up" or words to that effect.

What's to look up? It's c.

I thought the answer was 42. ;-)

Extra credit for those who know how that letter was chosen / for what it stands.

"c" refers to a constant.

jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:

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Late?? not really, *old* cp/m -> dos -> os/2 -> linux

yeah, my path w/ the little boxes , as well. Did you ever get to play w/ the big iron? <G> It still amazes me that people insist there was no "internet" before Berners-Lee invented the weg organization of it... <Sigh>

( not to in anyway denigrate that gentleman's contribution, we would very likely still be a small community of geeks rather than the current world wide conglomerate of computer users. Even some few w/ real knowledge of the power we weild. <g>)

My path in the PC world, was DOS > OS/2 > Linux, with some Windows on the side. However, long before I ever touched DOS, I had my first computer, an IMSAI 8080 and also serviced various minicomputers, including Data General Nova & Eclipse, DEC PDP8, PDP-11 & VAX 11/780 among others, so I was playing with VAX/VMS, before I ever touched DOS. I even worked on the systems, that employed the 1st LAN technology. I also used to service some Collins 8500C computers, which had a LAN, but instead of packets, like ethernet, it used time slots on the cable. If a device wanted to send, it would reserve its' time slot to transmit. There were 2 speeds used. The "TDX" loop ran at 8 Mb and the "TDM" loop at 2. The TDX loop was used for things like disk and tape drives, while the printer and card punch & reader were on the TDM loop etc. The loops were constructed of triaxial cable for the TDX loop and coax on the TDM. They were configured as rings.

* James Knott [09-20-04 20:21]:

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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What is the address: ::ffff:205.209.168.20

Is it the new ipv6 made to work on ipv4 or just something that I haven't seen before.

This individual (?) has made repeated attempts to ssh2 into my machine and I do not understand the address.

That is an IPv6 address. v6 addresses are composed of 128 bits, usually expressed in hexidecimal. The "::" at the beginning means a contiguous string of "0" bits, then there's 16 bits of "1"s and what appears to be a standard IPv4 address. I'm not sure, but that might be an IPv4 "compatible" address, but I'd have to look up the IPv6 specs, to be sure.

Standing here with egg on my face, I have to convirm that this is indeed the case. tks, -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos