I burned some copies, and the clustering is still there. My CD had a chip out of one corner, so I figured I better make one before it falls apart. I did a diff, and all is well. Are you sure you are not mistaken. I have been associated with Turbo For 3 years and do not know why some of their methodology is worse than SuSE's. Take OSS for instance. Cram that down our throats instead of making a nice sndconfig like redhat has done. OSS is proprietary, no? Sound works without oss. Clustering does not work without Turbo's hack. My2cts. "Mr. M" wrote:

No, the CD isn't free. It's a trial version that is bundled in such a way with their clustering software that you are unable to copy and redistribute it. They have essentially turned Free software into NON-free software.

Are you mad because Bodo is running things at TurboLinux?

Turbolinux is famous for stunts such as this. They distribute Linux only to make money and don't care about the Free/Open Source movement.

Turbolinux actually tried to trademark the name "Linux" for themselves in Japan. They finally backed off when several Linux User Groups threatened to stage boycotts of their products.

Didn't a commercial company end up with it? What is the diff?

Since SuSE doesn't own or operate the publication I doubt they have much control of what is sent with it. Besides, have you considered that perhaps SuSE doesn't need to send out copies of it's distro because we already know it's a superior release and a value for the money!?!

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Michael Hasenstein wrote:

On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, Michael H. Collins wrote:

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I burned some copies, and the clustering is still there. My CD had a chip out of one corner, so I figured I better make one before it falls apart. I did a diff, and all is well. Are you sure you are not mistaken. I have been associated with Turbo For 3 years and do not know why some of their methodology is worse than SuSE's. Take OSS for instance. Cram that down our throats instead of making a nice sndconfig like redhat has done. OSS is proprietary, no? Sound works without oss. Clustering does not work without Turbo's hack.

This is very stupid.

a) last time I checked, sndconfig could only handle soundblaster.

look again.

b) what do we have to do with OSS? oh, we distributed it, so we are bad?

It is set to default to oss. look in modules.conf

c) have you ever heard about ALSA (and who employs the projects founder)?!

Dunno or care about alsa. Sound should work from modules.

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What does it do that kernel modules dont do on most cards? Philipp Thomas wrote:

* Michael H. Collins (mhtexcollins@austin.rr.com) [20000212 21:34]:

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Dunno or care about alsa.

That's IMNSHO a mistake :) ALSA is the new sound architecture, that in the not too distant future will replace OSS. It's API is a vast improvement and it supports quite a few cards, including professional ones like the Hammerfall. I'd say, have look (it's on your CDs :).

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Sounds promising. I will check it out. Philipp Thomas wrote:

* Michael H. Collins (mhtexcollins@austin.rr.com) [20000213 01:17]:

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What does it do that kernel modules dont do on most cards?

Features ========

* general - full proc filesystem support - /proc/asound * ISA soundcards - support for 128k ISA DMA buffer - support for ISA PnP cards (no need for pnpdump/isapnp) * mixer - new enhanced and flexible API for applications - support for unlimited number of elements and groups - support for mute (and hardware mute if hardware supports it) - support for mixer events - this allows two or more applications to be synchronized * digital audio (PCM) - new enhanced API for applications - full real duplex support - full duplex support for SoundBlaster 16/AWE soundcards - digital audio data for playback and record can be read back using proc filesystem

For more features see http://www.alsa-project.org

Philipp

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