[SLE] Innd and address already in use

talacko＠yarn.demon.co.uk

24 Mar 2000 24 Mar '00

20:02

I'm trying to start offline news reading with inn and such, but I when is start innd, I keep getting an error that says: inndstart can't bind Address already in use The INN faq says that this is because something else in already using port 119 and to comment out the line in /etc/inetd.conf. The only line that appears that might do this is the one which starts: nntp...... This is already commented out. What else could be using port 119 and how do I sort this out, thanks, Paul ------------------ Paul Talacko http://members.tripod.com/ptalacko/index.html -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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talacko＠yarn.demon.co.uk

24 Mar 24 Mar

21:16

Sorry, it's working now. ------------------ Paul Talacko http://members.tripod.com/ptalacko/index.html On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Paul Talacko wrote:

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I'm trying to start offline news reading with inn and such, but I when is start innd, I keep getting an error that says:

inndstart can't bind Address already in use

The INN faq says that this is because something else in already using port 119 and to comment out the line in /etc/inetd.conf. The only line that appears that might do this is the one which starts: nntp......

This is already commented out. What else could be using port 119 and how do I sort this out, thanks,

Paul

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saschag＠vzinet.com

25 Mar 25 Mar

04:55

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

I may be wrong but are there M$ employees posting to this list ??? sometimes it just kindda looks like they wanna keep us busy ... Really dont mean to offend anybody - just curious. Since they did that in several newsgroups in 1995 as they wanted everybody to wait till win95 was released in 96... cheers sasa -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

FBob＠wt.net

05:03

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Sascha Graeber wrote:

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I may be wrong but are there M$ employees posting to this list ??? sometimes it just kindda looks like they wanna keep us busy ... Really dont mean to offend anybody - just curious. Since they did that in several newsgroups in 1995 as they wanted everybody to wait till win95 was released in 96... cheers sasa

Ah- I dunno but you along with about 60% of the people posting here are using M$ software................Kinda makes ya wonder- huh? -- Bob F EMail FBob@wt.net A Truly Wise Man Never Plays Leapfrog With A Unicorn... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

epcraig＠efn.org

06:38

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, BobF wrote:

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:03:56 -0600 From: BobF To: Sascha Graeber Cc: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] MS intruders

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Sascha Graeber wrote:

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I may be wrong but are there M$ employees posting to this list ??? sometimes it just kindda looks like they wanna keep us busy ... Really dont mean to offend anybody - just curious. Since they did that in several newsgroups in 1995 as they wanted everybody to wait till win95 was released in 96... cheers sasa

Ah- I dunno but you along with about 60% of the people posting here are using M$ software................Kinda makes ya wonder- huh? Some of that number haven't mastered PPP yet. Some may still looking for the elusive Linux DUN. More and more of those dual boot boxes are showing up. We all need to start somewhere.

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ben＠whack.org

06:49

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

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Ah- I dunno but you along with about 60% of the people posting here are using M$ software................Kinda makes ya wonder- huh? Some of that number haven't mastered PPP yet. Some may still looking for the elusive Linux DUN. More and more of those dual boot boxes are showing up. We all need to start somewhere.

I completely agree. PPPD was the bain of my existence for a long enough time I am now bald...err...just kidding. Well, PPPD was a bitch and if didn't have people to help me. I would prolly still be running NT dual booted with Linux..but thank god I haven't had to do that in 2.5 years. :) I firmly believe that if some moron started to troll this mailing that the good folks at SuSE would just block them from sending to the list, but in the 1.5 years I have been on this list it hasn't *yet* been a problem...and yes, I remember what MS did to the OS/2 users way back when because I was one of those users ;D just my 0.02 -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org SuSE Linux 6.3 (2.2.14) ICQ UIN:49268667 ------------------------------------------------------------ " Success is how high you bounce when you hit bottom " --Gen. George Patton -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

samelash＠ix.netcom.com

09:54

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

At 12:49 AM 3/25/2000 -0600, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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Ah- I dunno but you along with about 60% of the people posting here are using M$ software................Kinda makes ya wonder- huh? Some of that number haven't mastered PPP yet. Some may still looking for the elusive Linux DUN. More and more of those dual boot boxes are showing up. We all need to start somewhere.

I completely agree. PPPD was the bain of my existence for a long enough time I am now bald...err...just kidding. Well, PPPD was a bitch and if didn't have people to help me. I would prolly still be running NT dual booted with Linux..but thank god I haven't had to do that in 2.5 years.

Still with win 98 DUN. As soon as I get ppp working I will emaial you. What did it take to get it working ?

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I firmly believe that if some moron started to troll this mailing that the good folks at SuSE would just block them from sending to the list, but in the 1.5 years I have been on this list it hasn't *yet* been a problem...and yes, I remember what MS did to the OS/2 users way back when because I was one of those users ;D

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hatridge＠straubing.baynet.de

18:46

New subject: [SLE] Re: MS intruders

Hi all, I'm not a "M$ intruder", but yes, I run M$ on one of my 7 home computers. The reason is two fold. First I have a PP scanner. So far Linux does not support it. Next I write a stamp bulletin and do the layout in M$ publisher. So I keep M$ 3.1 on one system (under protest) as a dual boot system. Now when I upgrade (most likly SuSE 7.0) I'll try Koffice. If I can do my bulletin layout with it I sh*tcan publisher. Also if ever someone writes a PP twain scanner program then I can dump all of M$ and never look back. In other words, what I'm saying is that most people on this list that use M$ products do so only because they have to. Either because Linux does not support his hardware or because of his work. So I don't think that bill is out to undermine the SuSE list. <G> Later! Jim Hatridge hatridge@straubing.baynet.de Proud Linux User #88484 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim's Beowulf Project Looking for giveaway computers and parts I need it all! Email Jim for details on how you can help build a poor man's super computer. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

steganos1＠home.com

28 Mar 28 Mar

16:44

New subject: [SLE] Thank you M$ Winders

come on people you cant all hate M$ that much can you just because they invade your privacy and crash your computers and rip you off....i look at it as M$ did a good deed to the linux community by all of their bad things they have did...they make their users desperate...i mean so desperate they want an operating system that is more stable, one that gives you 100% total control over your own computer not 40% if your lucky.... one that if you dont like the default way it looks and runs you can totally rewrite it and not have to worry about any copyrighted materials or breaking any laws caus you decompile/recompile the source code.... this great desperation makes the user bodly go where no man or woman has gone before an search for better and in the final results of their search they come accross a free operating system....they say well if its free how good can it be...well to their suprise its amazingley stable and customizeable and just down right good for their needs....and wow another thing...i dont have to pay $50.00 a question or $3.00 a hour for tech support i can just go into a good irc channel or subscribe to a mailing list like this one for free..... well in closing i would like to say.... THANK YOU BILL GATES AND ALL OF YOUR WONDERFUL PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR YOU AND MAKING ME WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://regenbogen.ac-net.de/media/windoof/fuckms.gif <----------cool pic http://regenbogen.ac-net.de/wintellove2.htm http://regenbogen.ac-net.de/media/windoof/therealgates.jpg On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:54:05 +0000, Samy Elashmawy wrote:

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At 12:49 AM 3/25/2000 -0600, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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Ah- I dunno but you along with about 60% of the people posting here are using M$ software................Kinda makes ya wonder- huh? Some of that number haven't mastered PPP yet. Some may still looking for the elusive Linux DUN. More and more of those dual boot boxes are showing up. We all need to start somewhere.

I completely agree. PPPD was the bain of my existence for a long enough time I am now bald...err...just kidding. Well, PPPD was a bitch and if didn't have people to help me. I would prolly still be running NT dual booted with Linux..but thank god I haven't had to do that in 2.5 years.

Still with win 98 DUN. As soon as I get ppp working I will emaial you. What did it take to get it working ?

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I firmly believe that if some moron started to troll this mailing that the good folks at SuSE would just block them from sending to the list, but in the 1.5 years I have been on this list it hasn't *yet* been a problem...and yes, I remember what MS did to the OS/2 users way back when because I was one of those users ;D

just my 0.02 -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org SuSE Linux 6.3 (2.2.14) ICQ UIN:49268667 ------------------------------------------------------------ " Success is how high you bounce when you hit bottom " --Gen. George Patton

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ethant＠earthlink.net

25 Mar 25 Mar

18:08

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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Ah- I dunno but you along with about 60% of the people posting here are using M$ software................Kinda makes ya wonder- huh? Some of that number haven't mastered PPP yet. Some may still looking for the elusive Linux DUN. More and more of those dual boot boxes are showing up. We all need to start somewhere.

I don't agree with that any more. If somebody wants to get online with Linux these days it's a piece of cake. kppp has worked for everybody I know and it's just as simple as Windows DUN. However, there are many people such as myself that are stuck with MS products at work. At home I am completely and utterly MS free.

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I completely agree. PPPD was the bain of my existence for a long enough time I am now bald...err...just kidding. Well, PPPD was a bitch and if didn't have people to help me. I would prolly still be running NT dual booted with Linux..but thank god I haven't had to do that in 2.5 years. :)

I pulled some hair out back when I first used minicom and edited chatscripts, etc., by hand. But I still ended up getting online. Greg -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

tabanna＠aig.forthnet.gr

20:14

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Greg Thomas wrote:

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to get online with Linux these days it's a piece of cake.

Ha! ~ so you can laugh, it took me 6 weeks to discover my problem with KPPP was that my UART chip was wrongly described. { as 16450 when it was 16550A } I was saved by the terrific experiment written by W.G. Unruh "How to hook up PPP" best :) -- ____________ sent on Linux ____________ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

samelash＠ix.netcom.com

16:20

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

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~ so you can laugh, it took me 6 weeks to discover my problem with KPPP was that my UART chip was wrongly described. { as 16450 when it was 16550A } I was saved by the terrific experiment written by W.G. Unruh "How to hook up PPP"

got yjhe url / web address to that ppp doc ?

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samelash＠ix.netcom.com

16:20

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

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~ so you can laugh, it took me 6 weeks to discover my problem with KPPP was that my UART chip was wrongly described. { as 16450 when it was 16550A } I was saved by the terrific experiment written by W.G. Unruh "How to hook up PPP"

got yjhe url / web address to that ppp doc ?

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tabanna＠aig.forthnet.gr

26 Mar 26 Mar

06:38

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Samy Elashmawy wrote:

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url / web address to that ppp doc ? ......................

How to hook up PPP in Linux W.G. Unruh unruh@physics.ubc.ca You can download this file as a text file (no HTML formatting) at axion.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.txt or as an HTML version at http://axion.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html ................... best :) ____________ sent on Linux ____________ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

ben＠whack.org

25 Mar 25 Mar

22:07

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

Not to be rude or anything, but regardless if you AGREE with it or not is irrelevant. I notice that about 30% of the questions on this list are about ppp and if there were not variables in everybody's systems then we would be using ROM based terminals and all would be good. ppp is a problem for people..I use to work at an ISP and we had all kinds of calls about getting connected using everything from Win 3.X to Linux. People have problems with it if they have never done it, and it's not always a piece of cake. I am so glad I have DSL now so I don't have to use ppp under any Unix .. DSL setup by comparision was smooth as a babies butt. just my 0.02

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I don't agree with that any more. If somebody wants to get online with Linux these days it's a piece of cake. kppp has worked for everybody I know and it's just as simple as Windows DUN. However, there are many people such as myself that are stuck with MS products at work. At home I am completely and utterly MS free.

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ethant＠earthlink.net

26 Mar 26 Mar

00:06

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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Not to be rude or anything, but regardless if you AGREE with it or not is irrelevant. I notice that about 30% of the questions on this list are about ppp and if there were not variables in everybody's systems then we would be using ROM based terminals and all would be good. ppp is a problem for people..I use to work at an ISP and we had all kinds of calls about getting connected using everything from Win 3.X to Linux.

Well, then it's a problem for everyone, right? I thought the comment was that there's nothing in Linux that is as easy as Windows DUN? And I maintain that if they want to get online they just need to use kppp. The same types of problems will apply to people using kppp as they do to people using Win DUN.

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People have problems with it if they have never done it, and it's not always a piece of cake. I am so glad I have DSL now so I don't have to use ppp under any Unix .. DSL setup by comparision was smooth as a babies butt.

Not if you have to use PPPoE. :-( Greg

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just my 0.02

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I don't agree with that any more. If somebody wants to get online with Linux these days it's a piece of cake. kppp has worked for everybody I know and it's just as simple as Windows DUN. However, there are many people such as myself that are stuck with MS products at work. At home I am completely and utterly MS free.

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FBob＠wt.net

00:19

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Greg Thomas wrote:

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On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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Not to be rude or anything, but regardless if you AGREE with it or not is irrelevant. I notice that about 30% of the questions on this list are about ppp and if there were not variables in everybody's systems then we would be using ROM based terminals and all would be good. ppp is a problem for people..I use to work at an ISP and we had all kinds of calls about getting connected using everything from Win 3.X to Linux.

Well, then it's a problem for everyone, right? I thought the comment was that there's nothing in Linux that is as easy as Windows DUN? And I maintain that if they want to get online they just need to use kppp. The same types of problems will apply to people using kppp as they do to people using Win DUN.

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People have problems with it if they have never done it, and it's not always a piece of cake. I am so glad I have DSL now so I don't have to use ppp under any Unix .. DSL setup by comparision was smooth as a babies butt.

Not if you have to use PPPoE. :-(

Greg

I think the more important question is how do we (the experienced) help those who have not been able to fully make the transition to Linux? -- Bob F EMail FBob@wt.net A Truly Wise Man Never Plays Leapfrog With A Unicorn... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

juergen.braukmann＠ruhr-west.de

09:49

New subject: [SLE] Knowledge spreading, was: [SLE] MS intruders

BobF wrote:

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I think the more important question is how do we (the experienced) help those who have not been able to fully make the transition to Linux?

-- Bob F

Well, what about if one experianced user takes care for a newbe, that needs more help than a quick short answer. This could be done on a "problem" basis, since most of the experianced users are experienced in a few but not all problems. Meet on the list, solve it in personal mail and if there is something new about it, give a short post to the list that sums upthe solution. Juergen -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

JerryKreps＠alltel.net

13:05

New subject: [SLE] Knowledge spreading, was: [SLE] MS intruders

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, Juergen Braukmann wrote:

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BobF wrote:

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I think the more important question is how do we (the experienced) help those who have not been able to fully make the transition to Linux?

-- Bob F

Well, what about if one experianced user takes care for a newbe, that needs more help than a quick short answer. This could be done on a "problem" basis, since most of the experianced users are experienced in a few but not all problems. Meet on the list, solve it in personal mail and if there is something new about it, give a short post to the list that sums upthe solution.

Juergen

That's pretty much what happens on this list, except that sometimes it is newbie helping newbie, experienced helping newbie, experienced helping experienced and all the other combinations and permutations envolved. That is the beauty of this list! What makes this list different from most of the others is that the folks on this list seem to be, on the average, a cut above the average Linux user. I rarely see responses like 'RTFM', or 'put downs' from testosterone loaded script kiddies. Come to think about it, I rarely see messages from skript kiddies on this list. Anyway, the SuSE Mail List is the best! JLK -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

juergen.braukmann＠ruhr-west.de

16:22

New subject: [SLE] Knowledge spreading, was: [SLE] MS intruders

Jerry L Kreps wrote:

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On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, Juergen Braukmann wrote:

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BobF wrote:

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I think the more important question is how do we (the experienced) help those who have not been able to fully make the transition to Linux?

-- Bob F

Well, what about if one experianced user takes care for a newbe, that needs more help than a quick short answer. This could be done on a "problem" basis, since most of the experianced users are experienced in a few but not all problems. Meet on the list, solve it in personal mail and if there is something new about it, give a short post to the list that sums upthe solution.

Juergen

That's pretty much what happens on this list, except that sometimes it is newbie helping newbie, experienced helping newbie, experienced helping experienced and all the other combinations and permutations envolved. That is the beauty of this list! What makes this list different from most of the others is that the folks on this list seem to be, on the average, a cut above the average Linux user. I rarely see responses like 'RTFM', or 'put downs' from testosterone loaded script kiddies. Come to think about it, I rarely see messages from skript kiddies on this list. Anyway, the SuSE Mail List is the best! JLK

Yes, before correcting <grin> I had this even more extended. Beeing some sort of "godfather". But again, the list *IS* a source of solutions to almost any problem. Therefor, it's our job (particulary the "regulars") to keep that spirit running. Anyway, I foud a similar spirit on the list that I knew from amateur radio and I do not want to loose it. Infact, if I look on our local FM repeater frequencies today, the spirit on this list is much better. Juergen -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

JerryKreps＠alltel.net

20:48

New subject: [SLE] Knowledge spreading, was: [SLE] MS intruders

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, you wrote:

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Jerry L Kreps wrote:

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On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, Juergen Braukmann wrote:

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BobF wrote:

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I think the more important question is how do we (the experienced) help those who have not been able to fully make the transition to Linux?

-- Bob F

Well, what about if one experianced user takes care for a newbe, that needs more help than a quick short answer. This could be done on a "problem" basis, since most of the experianced users are experienced in a few but not all problems. Meet on the list, solve it in personal mail and if there is something new about it, give a short post to the list that sums upthe solution.

Juergen

That's pretty much what happens on this list, except that sometimes it is newbie helping newbie, experienced helping newbie, experienced helping experienced and all the other combinations and permutations envolved. That is the beauty of this list! What makes this list different from most of the others is that the folks on this list seem to be, on the average, a cut above the average Linux user. I rarely see responses like 'RTFM', or 'put downs' from testosterone loaded script kiddies. Come to think about it, I rarely see messages from skript kiddies on this list. Anyway, the SuSE Mail List is the best! JLK

Yes, before correcting <grin> I had this even more extended. Beeing some sort of "godfather". But again, the list *IS* a source of solutions to almost any problem. Therefor, it's our job (particulary the "regulars") to keep that spirit running. Anyway, I foud a similar spirit on the list that I knew from amateur radio and I do not want to loose it. Infact, if I look on our local FM repeater frequencies today, the spirit on this list is much better.

Juergen

Wow! Another HAM! I no longer ply that hobby, but I used to be WN5VSX. This new fangled device called a computer took me totally away from amature radio. JLK -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

bshelton＠online-isp.com

27 Mar 27 Mar

00:05

New subject: [SLE] Knowledge spreading, was: [SLE] MS intruders

On Sun, Mar 26, 2000 at 02:48:38PM -0600, Jerry L Kreps wrote:

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On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, you wrote:

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Jerry L Kreps wrote:

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On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, Juergen Braukmann wrote:

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I think the more important question is how do we (the experienced) help those who have not been able to fully make the transition to Linux?

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Well, what about if one experianced user takes care for a newbe, that needs more help than a quick short answer. This could be done on a "problem" basis, since most of the experianced users are experienced in a few but not all problems. Meet on the list, solve it in personal mail and if there is something new about it, give a short post to the list that sums upthe solution.

Juergen

That's pretty much what happens on this list, except that sometimes it is newbie helping newbie, experienced helping newbie, experienced helping experienced and all the other combinations and permutations envolved. That is the beauty of this list! What makes this list different from most of the others is that the folks on this list seem to be, on the average, a cut above the average Linux user. I rarely see responses like 'RTFM', or 'put downs' from testosterone loaded script kiddies. Come to think about it, I rarely see messages from skript kiddies on this list. Anyway, the SuSE Mail List is the best! JLK

Yes, before correcting <grin> I had this even more extended. Beeing some sort of "godfather". But again, the list *IS* a source of solutions to almost any problem. Therefor, it's our job (particulary the "regulars") to keep that spirit running. Anyway, I foud a similar spirit on the list that I knew from amateur radio and I do not want to loose it. Infact, if I look on our local FM repeater frequencies today, the spirit on this list is much better.

Juergen

Wow! Another HAM! I no longer ply that hobby, but I used to be WN5VSX. This new fangled device called a computer took me totally away from amature radio.

Ah.. not guts. No glory. Always keep the 2-meter on in the background. Ya never know what might happen..... `*8> -- Brad Shelton On Line Exchange http://online-isp.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

tabanna＠aig.forthnet.gr

26 Mar 26 Mar

17:57

New subject: [SLE] Knowledge spreading, was: [SLE] MS intruders

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:

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sometimes it is newbie helping newbie

~ good, good :) "In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is King". best :) -- ____________ sent on Linux ___________ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

JerryKreps＠alltel.net

18:16

New subject: [SLE] Knowledge spreading, was: [SLE] MS intruders

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, tabanna wrote:

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On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:

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sometimes it is newbie helping newbie

~ good, good :)

"In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is King".

That is something I always told my physics, calculus and programming students. It has kept me employed, too. We all can't be Alan Cox! JLK -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

grimmer＠suse.de

18:48

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Hi, On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:

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I rarely see messages from skript kiddies on this list. Anyway, the SuSE Mail List is the best!

I must agree. And I hope, it will stay like this for a long while! Keep up the good work, guys. Bye, LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer 90443 Nuernberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

geoff＠gcbagley.demon.co.uk

20:43

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In message , Lenz Grimmer writes

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Hi,

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:

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I rarely see messages from skript kiddies on this list. Anyway, the SuSE Mail List is the best!

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I think so too, but what others are there ? -- Geoff Bagley G3FHL -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

JerryKreps＠alltel.net

21:04

New subject: [SLE] Knowledge spreading, was: [SLE] MS intruders

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, you wrote:

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In message , Lenz Grimmer writes

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Hi,

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:

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I rarely see messages from skript kiddies on this list. Anyway, the SuSE Mail List is the best!

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I think so too, but what others are there ?

There are email lists for every topic under the sun. I was on several lists relating to various topics of science, before I retired from teaching. The church I attend has started it's own email list so member can communicate directly. Very nice. JLK

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geoff＠gcbagley.demon.co.uk

22:39

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I rarely see messages from skript kiddies on this list.

Anyway, the SuSE Mail List is the best!

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I think so too, but what others are there ?

There are email lists for every topic under the sun. I was on several lists relating to various topics of science, before I retired from teaching. The church I attend has started it's own email list so member can communicate directly. Very nice. JLK

That was not what I had in mind. I meant those addressed to LINUX and related matters. -- Geoff Bagley G3FHL -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

JerryKreps＠alltel.net

22:52

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On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, you wrote:

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I rarely see messages from skript kiddies on this list.

Anyway, the SuSE Mail List is the best!

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I think so too, but what others are there ?

There are email lists for every topic under the sun. I was on several lists relating to various topics of science, before I retired from teaching. The church I attend has started it's own email list so member can communicate directly. Very nice. JLK

That was not what I had in mind.

I meant those addressed to LINUX and related matters.

Oh. Well, just about every distro has their own mail list, more or less. About every major project has their own mail list. The kenel development project is probably the most important, followed by the kde mail list and the kdevelop mail list. Almost every aspect of computing associated with Linux has a mail list, and if not a mail list then a newsgroup. I seldom frequent newsgroups because the anonymous posters generally post rude, crude, violent, anti-social and generally worthless messages. They drop the signal-to-noise ration so low that the newsgroup becomes worthless. That is why lists like this are becoming so popular. It is also why the testosterone groupies don't frequent it very often - they have to register with a valid email address, which leaves a trail. JLK -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

Leonard_Ong＠iname.com

23:12

New subject: [SLE] Network Solutions :(

Dear Friends, Few days ago I used contact form to associated CRYPT-PW to my NIC Handle. Ever since then, I can't make any changes to my managed domain. They say that i'm not sending email from my original email. I verified over times that i am using my own emails. I tried to call them but no luck, and the email is not replied in humanly form, just templates of error message. Anyone can help ? Regards, Leonard Ong Leonard Advanced Research,Inc Leonard Ong | Confusious said : " The Journey of thousands miles (Íõ¶°ºÀ) | begins with a small single step " | Leonard_Ong@iname.com - Share Knowledge together! FreeBSD/Linux| UIN : 1041402 == http://www.poboxes.com/Leonard_Ong Powered | 68FB C87E 8A0D EC9F EC82 A6FC C547 B4E4 CA46 94DB ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://welcome.to/LAR -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

JerryKreps＠alltel.net

01:13

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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Not to be rude or anything, but regardless if you AGREE with it or not is irrelevant. I notice that about 30% of the questions on this list are about ppp and if there were not variables in everybody's systems then we would be using ROM based terminals and all would be good. ppp is a problem for people..I use to work at an ISP and we had all kinds of calls about getting connected using everything from Win 3.X to Linux. People have problems with it if they have never done it, and it's not always a piece of cake. I am so glad I have DSL now so I don't have to use ppp under any Unix .. DSL setup by comparision was smooth as a babies butt.

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I don't agree with that any more. If somebody wants to get online with Linux these days it's a piece of cake. kppp has worked for everybody I know and it's just as simple as Windows DUN. However, there are many people such as myself that are stuck with MS products at work. At home I am completely and utterly MS free.

I found that kppp worked fine in SuSE 5.3, and for me it worked ok in SuSE 6.0, but after that it was tempermental -- most not workable. vwdial worked fine as a replacement. Like Ben, however, I found that when I switched to ADSL the setup and install was a piece of cake. I am using a Cisco 675 as a dhcp server. YaST set it up the first time without a hitch. JLK -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

dsoper＠clipper.net

25 Mar 25 Mar

22:28

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

On 25 Mar 00, at 10:08, Greg Thomas wrote:

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Ah- I dunno but you along with about 60% of the people posting here are using M$ software................Kinda makes ya wonder- huh?

Yeah, I use Pegasus Mail as my main email client-- mainly 'cause my partner and I share the same email account name, and I've got about 5 years of Pegasus Mail archives that I'm too lazy (and busy) to convert, so that I can use mutt. At work, I use mutt exclusively-- it's especially good at unencoding attachments that M$-based mail clients can't do properly. I also use Netscape for Windoze-- I'm taking a course from Cisco over the 'net and it requires the use of Shockwave. I also need 'doze on a coupla of my home machines, as I currently earn my living supporting M$ clients and use them for testing purposes. If I fully had my choice, I'd be running SuSE (and maybe Netware) exclusively on all my boxes. Cheers, Dennis "Custard pies are a sort of esperanto: a universal language." --Noel Godin -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

bowman＠buffnet.net

23:33

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

Please guys, have patience. I started with Linux last July. I use a dual boot machines: one at work and one at home. I just haven't had the time to *carefully* read HOWTOs on networking stuff. But let me say what I have done: 1) I ported a program I wrote in Borland DOS C program to Linux. I use this program at work. Had to learn some peculiarities of C in Linux. Had to learn some BASH. All this takes some time. Still learning. I have recently learned something about Python. I wrote a Python script as a front end to another program I use at work. Now, the technician can run the plotting program (which runs under NT) to see the data in finalized form. If I find a good scientific plotting program that runs under Linux, I will immediately trash NT and Win98. Sorry to be still using Win98/Netscape for e-mail, but I'll get there. I promise. Regards, Charles L. Bowman a SuSE 6.1 user (haven't rolled a kernel yet. But, I will. I promise) ====================================== Greg Thomas wrote:

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Ah- I dunno but you along with about 60% of the people posting here are using M$ software................Kinda makes ya wonder- huh? Some of that number haven't mastered PPP yet. Some may still looking for the elusive Linux DUN. More and more of those dual boot boxes are showing up. We all need to start somewhere.

I don't agree with that any more. If somebody wants to get online with Linux these days it's a piece of cake. kppp has worked for everybody I know and it's just as simple as Windows DUN. However, there are many people such as myself that are stuck with MS products at work. At home I am completely and utterly MS free.

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I completely agree. PPPD was the bain of my existence for a long enough time I am now bald...err...just kidding. Well, PPPD was a bitch and if didn't have people to help me. I would prolly still be running NT dual booted with Linux..but thank god I haven't had to do that in 2.5 years. :)

I pulled some hair out back when I first used minicom and edited chatscripts, etc., by hand. But I still ended up getting online.

Greg

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FBob＠wt.net

20:47

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, C & A Bowman wrote:

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Please guys, have patience. I started with Linux last July. I use a dual boot machines: one at work and one at home. I just haven't had the time to *carefully* read HOWTOs on networking stuff. But let me say what I have done: 1) I ported a program I wrote in Borland DOS C program to Linux. I use this program at work. Had to learn some peculiarities of C in Linux. Had to learn some BASH. All this takes some time. Still learning. I have recently learned something about Python. I wrote a Python script as a front end to another program I use at work. Now, the technician can run the plotting program (which runs under NT) to see the data in finalized form. If I find a good scientific plotting program that runs under Linux, I will immediately trash NT and Win98. Sorry to be still using Win98/Netscape for e-mail, but I'll get there. I promise.

Maybe I should apologize for my response to the M$ Intruders post. It was meant to be sarcastic but people seem to be taking it personally. I have tried to be helpful to those people on this list who are having trouble trying to get various functions of Linux working. I did not mean to scare off people using M$ to post. How can we (the list) help you guys to get Linux fully functional? In reference to your plotting program, go to freshmeat.net and search for "scientific plotting" and see what you can come up with. -- Bob F EMail FBob@wt.net A Truly Wise Man Never Plays Leapfrog With A Unicorn... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

bowman＠buffnet.net

26 Mar 26 Mar

21:33

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BobF, You and everybody on this list have been very helpful on a broad spectrum of computer issues. Thanks for the freshmeat link. I looked there sometime ago, but haven't visited recently. I think I am about ready to begin the switch to KMail and/or Pine. Since my box came with a PCI Win Modem, I am in the market for a internal ISA modem (my wife doesn't like a cluttered desk, so external modems are out of consideration). Could you, or someone on the SuSE list, recommend a brand, model number (and URL)? Thanks. Charles L. Bowman BobF wrote (in part)

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I have tried to be helpful to those people on this list who are having trouble trying to get various functions of Linux working. I did not mean to scare off people using M$ to post.

How can we (the list) help you guys to get Linux fully functional?

In reference to your plotting program, go to freshmeat.net and search for "scientific plotting" and see what you can come up with. -- Bob F

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A Truly Wise Man Never Plays Leapfrog With A Unicorn...

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JerryKreps＠alltel.net

18:39

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, C & A Bowman wrote:

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BobF,

You and everybody on this list have been very helpful on a broad spectrum of computer issues. Thanks for the freshmeat link. I looked there sometime ago, but haven't visited recently. I think I am about ready to begin the switch to KMail and/or Pine. Since my box came with a PCI Win Modem, I am in the market for a internal ISA modem (my wife doesn't like a cluttered desk, so external modems are out of consideration). Could you, or someone on the SuSE list, recommend a brand, model number (and URL)?

Here is the compatible hardware database at the SuSE site. http://cdb.suse.de/cgi-bin/scdb?HTML=ENGLISH/cdb_listtemplates/menu.htm&LANG=ENGLISH

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Thanks.

Charles L. Bowman

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I have tried to be helpful to those people on this list who are having trouble trying to get various functions of Linux working. I did not mean to scare off people using M$ to post.

How can we (the list) help you guys to get Linux fully functional?

In reference to your plotting program, go to freshmeat.net and search for "scientific plotting" and see what you can come up with. -- Bob F

EMail FBob@wt.net

A Truly Wise Man Never Plays Leapfrog With A Unicorn...

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rear＠sirius.com

27 Mar 27 Mar

04:32

New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, C & A Bowman wrote:

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I think I am about ready to begin the switch to KMail and/or Pine. Since my box came with a PCI Win Modem, I am in the market for a internal ISA modem (my wife doesn't like a cluttered desk, so external modems are out of consideration). Could you, or someone on the SuSE list, recommend a brand, model number (and URL)?

If yo do this, make sure you can return the modem, I made that mistake and bought an internal ISA modem that nowhere said that it was a winmodem. But ti was. And when i asked about it, the manufacturer, a name fo great repute from way back when, clue, three letter name, told me it said in the box that ti supported windows and didnt say Linux. My fault. -- Bob Rea Freedom is only privilege extended unless enjoyed by one and all --Billy Bragg rear@sirius.com rrea@askjeeves.com http://www.sirius.com/~rear -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

genz1968＠mtu-net.ru

25 Mar 25 Mar

09:12

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Hello, <snip>

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Ah- I dunno but you along with about 60% of the people posting here are using M$ software................Kinda makes ya wonder- huh? Some of that number haven't mastered PPP yet. Some may still looking for the elusive Linux DUN. More and more of those dual boot boxes are showing up. We all need to start somewhere.

I was one of those dual boxes for about 6 months due to a 722c HP printer, if I recall the numbers correctly and an IBM Aptiva Winmodem. I was trapped by *only* MS compatible hardware. Pure Linux now:-) George -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

steganos1＠home.com

28 Mar 28 Mar

16:11

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as soon as linux has software for turning mpeg into vcd, and full usb support i will be 100% winders free... On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:12:25 +0300, George Zeigler wrote:

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Hello,

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Ah- I dunno but you along with about 60% of the people posting here are using M$ software................Kinda makes ya wonder- huh? Some of that number haven't mastered PPP yet. Some may still looking for the elusive Linux DUN. More and more of those dual boot boxes are showing up. We all need to start somewhere.

I was one of those dual boxes for about 6 months due to a 722c HP printer, if I recall the numbers correctly and an IBM Aptiva Winmodem. I was trapped by *only* MS compatible hardware. Pure Linux now:-)

George

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samelash＠ix.netcom.com

25 Mar 25 Mar

09:52

New subject: [SLE] ppp/diald/DUN

ppp not to mention diald , this monts linux journal has an artical on gatways , masq and firewalling. Ypour right , I am still trying to get ppp set up and working with 6.3 . At least 6.1 had the thing to set up ppp. 6.3 now hooks into wvdial. But that is useless for seting upmplian vanilla ppp that needs to be set up and working for the diald daemon. Any one know od a newbie ppp docs tha t assume no prior knoledhge on ppp ect... I dl'd a ppp how to that was very long and was very technical. I know you need to install ppp. any one know where the older suse scripts are on the cd from the older plian vanill suse ppp stuff (alloa 6.1/6.2) then there are some scripts ? ppp-on ppp-off right ? these are run to turn it on/off right. what are chap and secret files/scripts/???

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Some of that number haven't mastered PPP yet. Some may still looking for the elusive Linux DUN. More and more of those dual boot boxes are showing up. We all need to start somewhere. -- Ed Craig epcraig@efn.org Taxi Linux FreeBSD Think this through with me, let me know your mind... Hunter/Garcia

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wulfie＠wulfric7.co.uk

26 Mar 26 Mar

09:12

New subject: [SLE] ppp/diald/DUN

Try the SuSE wvdial.dod script - I can mail you the correct one if you want it. Otherwise search the SuSE sdb ****GERMAN VERSION**** as the English one doesn't woek for some reason. Once wvdial.dod is executed it is put in demand dialling mode like diald, except that choosing a connection is a whole lot easier since wvdial.conf can hold as many isp configs as you want. Select hte one for demand dialling by "/sbin/init.d/wvdial.dod start ". Even typing "lynx www" gets my system dialling! On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Samy Elashmawy wrote:

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ppp not to mention diald , this monts linux journal has an artical on gatways , masq and firewalling. Ypour right , I am still trying to get ppp set up and working with 6.3 . At least 6.1 had the thing to set up ppp. 6.3 now hooks into wvdial. But that is useless for seting upmplian vanilla ppp that needs to be set up and working for the diald daemon.

Any one know od a newbie ppp docs tha t assume no prior knoledhge on ppp ect...

I dl'd a ppp how to that was very long and was very technical.

I know you need to install ppp. any one know where the older suse scripts are on the cd from the older plian vanill suse ppp stuff (alloa 6.1/6.2)

then there are some scripts ? ppp-on ppp-off right ?

these are run to turn it on/off right.

what are chap and secret files/scripts/???

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09:43

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HEHEEHEeeee I just love it. Every new linux bos I set up here , is a chace to stick it to M$. It means $90 bucks or so can go to hardware or to commercial linux stuff like esp , applixwear and wordperfect. Not only do you take money from M$ but you can help to siuport there compiting whom are usualy strapped for cash in comparison with M$. Jehh , some still do usee M$ , We need it for our payroll stuff and the bloody oki 4W printer unsupoerted by linux. We allready own the licence (AKA M$ tax) so may as well get our money worth out of it. We have only 2 M$ machines. Legacy so to speak , no plans on going foward up to win 2000. will keep them at win 95 and win98. Win98 is the end of the line here. Now we have three linux boxes. 1 file server , one firewall in tinkering mode , and a mothballed P150 running applixware and xfce to make our sings. Thats three more nails in M$ back. Now the apps are realy stazrting to come out of the woodwaork. WP2000 around the corner.

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Ah- I dunno but you along with about 60% of the people posting here are using M$ software................Kinda makes ya wonder- huh?

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BobF wrote:

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On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Sascha Graeber wrote:

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I may be wrong but are there M$ employees posting to this list ??? sometimes it just kindda looks like they wanna keep us busy ... Really dont mean to offend anybody - just curious. Since they did that in several newsgroups in 1995 as they wanted everybody to wait till win95 was released in 96... cheers sasa

Ah- I dunno but you along with about 60% of the people posting here are using M$ software................Kinda makes ya wonder- huh?

I know - actually i hoped nobody would check the header - but it kinda explains why too ! The Connexant HCF LooseModem :-) dont have the money to get sth else - not my machine "just" borrowed. That's the only reason to reboot (and Gnutella :-) cheers sasa

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samelash＠ix.netcom.com

09:31

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mabee they will learn something. At 10:55 PM 3/24/2000 -0600, Sascha Graeber wrote:

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I may be wrong but are there M$ employees posting to this list ??? sometimes it just kindda looks like they wanna keep us busy ... Really dont mean to offend anybody - just curious. Since they did that in several newsgroups in 1995 as they wanted everybody to wait till win95 was released in 96... cheers sasa

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New subject: [SLE] MS intruders

They're learning something about Linux, which is the most popular computer subject at the Barnes & Noble in Redmond, WA. Actually, I don't think Microsoft employees could do much damage to the Linux email or newsgroup flow. 99% of the OS/2 sabotage (I witnessed it) took place in one location, two OS/2 Forums on Compuserve, back before the internet was popular with consumers. These days Microsoft doesn't have enough employees to undermine the hundreds of newsgroups, lists, and web sites that comprise Linux information. We're like a swarm of bees to them. Samy Elashmawy wrote:

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mabee they will learn something.

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I may be wrong but are there M$ employees posting to this list ??? sometimes it just kindda looks like they wanna keep us busy ... Really dont mean to offend anybody - just curious. Since they did that in several newsgroups in 1995 as they wanted everybody to wait till win95 was released in 96... cheers sasa

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