[opensuse] Preferred Video Chip
I'm going to put together a box for someone who basically just plays simple games (Solitaire) and goes on line. I thought OpenSuSE might be a good choice for her. I see a lot of threads about Nvidia, and my personal experience with OpenSuSE Graphics has be less than stellar. Often the screens are virtually unreadable even after setting font size, and of course downloading TT, but I probably don't really know how to properly configure a desktop. but, I digress, the question is: Is there a preferred video chip set or a particular series of Video Card that has better support for OpenSuSE out of the Box...? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 03 July 2008 01:29, William Hammond wrote:
I'm going to put together a box for someone who basically just plays simple games (Solitaire) and goes on line.
If 3D is not important, just about any card will do and questions about proprietary driver's are then moot and you need only the built-in, open-source video driver for whatever card you choose.
I thought OpenSuSE might be a good choice for her.
I see a lot of threads about Nvidia, and my personal experience with OpenSuSE Graphics has be less than stellar. Often the screens are virtually unreadable even after setting font size, and of course downloading TT, but I probably don't really know how to properly configure a desktop.
Assuming you pick a DVI-capable card and, of course, a DVI-connected LCD monitor, you can get excellent font rendering even when we take into account the large degree of taste involved in that evaluation. You may, however, need to spend quite a bit time experimenting with choice of fonts, sizes, colors, and rendering options. Depending on how and for what you (or your friend) use the system, you may need to perform many individual font configurations. By the way, I have never known a system, be it Linux, Mac or Windows, for which this was not the case.
but, I digress, the question is: Is there a preferred video chip set or a particular series of Video Card that has better support for OpenSuSE out of the Box...?
I think you'll get somewhat more recommendations for NVidia than for ATI, but as I say, that's only germane if 3D applications are in your repertoire. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I think you'll get somewhat more recommendations for NVidia than for ATI, but as I say, that's only germane if 3D applications are in your repertoire.
I have nVidia on my main computer, and API on my secondary. Neither were difficult to set up in openSUSE. The online repositories were easy to add, and once you have the binary driver installed from the repository, driver updates match the kernel updates so it all "just works" after a kernel update. Both cards worked out of the box using the open source drivers, but I do definitely get better desktop performance using the binaries. This isn't for wobbly windows... just the basics (without desktop effects) like scroll in in a browser is better with the binary drivers on both cards. I find I have crisper and shaper desktop fonts on the nVidia card, but that may simply be because the computer with the ATI card is running KDE3.5.9 on openSUSE 10.3 and the computer with the nVidia card is running on openSUSE 11.0 and KDE4. I did notice a significant screen font quality increase after moving to openSUSE 11.0... that might be KDE4... that might be just 11.0 being a much improved release... not sure :-) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Thursday 03 July 2008 01:29, William Hammond wrote:
I'm going to put together a box for someone who basically just plays simple games (Solitaire) and goes on line.
If 3D is not important, just about any card will do and questions about proprietary driver's are then moot and you need only the built-in, open-source video driver for whatever card you choose.
I thought OpenSuSE might be a good choice for her.
I see a lot of threads about Nvidia, and my personal experience with OpenSuSE Graphics has be less than stellar. Often the screens are virtually unreadable even after setting font size, and of course downloading TT, but I probably don't really know how to properly configure a desktop.
Assuming you pick a DVI-capable card and, of course, a DVI-connected LCD monitor, you can get excellent font rendering even when we take into account the large degree of taste involved in that evaluation. You may, however, need to spend quite a bit time experimenting with choice of fonts, sizes, colors, and rendering options. Depending on how and for what you (or your friend) use the system, you may need to perform many individual font configurations.
By the way, I have never known a system, be it Linux, Mac or Windows, for which this was not the case.
but, I digress, the question is: Is there a preferred video chip set or a particular series of Video Card that has better support for OpenSuSE out of the Box...?
I think you'll get somewhat more recommendations for NVidia than for ATI, but as I say, that's only germane if 3D applications are in your repertoire.
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Also, just to add to what Randall has said, if 3D isn't important, you may want to consider a system with built-in Intel Graphics - Intel is really great about dealing w/ open-source drivers, and you'll still have "some" 3D capabilities (depending on the Intel chipset), and would be able to even use Compiz for example. HTH -jayson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jayson Rowe wrote:
Also, just to add to what Randall has said, if 3D isn't important, you may want to consider a system with built-in Intel Graphics - Intel is really great about dealing w/ open-source drivers, and you'll still have "some" 3D capabilities (depending on the Intel chipset), and would be able to even use Compiz for example.
Actually, I prefer intel video precisely *because* 3D is important. It works out of the box, and continues to work, even with xen, or even if I decide to compile a custom kernel. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 3:17 PM, J Sloan
Jayson Rowe wrote:
Also, just to add to what Randall has said, if 3D isn't important, you may want to consider a system with built-in Intel Graphics - Intel is really great about dealing w/ open-source drivers, and you'll still have "some" 3D capabilities (depending on the Intel chipset), and would be able to even use Compiz for example.
Actually, I prefer intel video precisely *because* 3D is important. It works out of the box, and continues to work, even with xen, or even if I decide to compile a custom kernel.
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That's actually what I was trying to get at Joe - I realized it came out differently when I re-read what I wrote. What I meant was, as far as 3D performance goes (for gaming, especially) Intel 3D won't live up to a mid to high-end Nvidia or ATI chip, but will give decent 3D performance out of the box, w/ no external binary drivers needed. -- -jayson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
William Hammond wrote:
I'm going to put together a box for someone who basically just plays simple games (Solitaire) and goes on line.
I thought OpenSuSE might be a good choice for her.
I see a lot of threads about Nvidia, and my personal experience with OpenSuSE Graphics has be less than stellar. Often the screens are virtually unreadable even after setting font size, and of course downloading TT, but I probably don't really know how to properly configure a desktop.
but, I digress, the question is: Is there a preferred video chip set or a particular series of Video Card that has better support for OpenSuSE out of the Box...? Well, I've been using NVidia for a few year and they all worked well for me but, sometimes is not an out-of-the-box solution.
Recently I've experienced three ( I know only three, but it's a hint ) computers with Intel OnBoard VGA. The results were excellent. It will exceed your specifications by far. It will also provide you 3D out-of-the-box ( at least on openSUSE 10.3). The VGA Chip is a an Intel 965G. From what I've been reading most of semi-recent Intel chips will suffice your need if you use a recent distribution. Maybe someone else will share his/her experience on Intel Chips... This is my 1 cent... -- Rui Santos http://www.ruisantos.com/ Veni, vidi, Linux! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rui Santos wrote:
William Hammond wrote:
I'm going to put together a box for someone who basically just plays simple games (Solitaire) and goes on line.
I thought OpenSuSE might be a good choice for her.
I see a lot of threads about Nvidia, and my personal experience with OpenSuSE Graphics has be less than stellar. Often the screens are virtually unreadable even after setting font size, and of course downloading TT, but I probably don't really know how to properly configure a desktop.
but, I digress, the question is: Is there a preferred video chip set or a particular series of Video Card that has better support for OpenSuSE out of the Box...? Well, I've been using NVidia for a few year and they all worked well for me but, sometimes is not an out-of-the-box solution.
Recently I've experienced three ( I know only three, but it's a hint ) computers with Intel OnBoard VGA. The results were excellent. It will exceed your specifications by far. It will also provide you 3D out-of-the-box ( at least on openSUSE 10.3). The VGA Chip is a an Intel 965G. From what I've been reading most of semi-recent Intel chips will suffice your need if you use a recent distribution. Maybe someone else will share his/her experience on Intel Chips... This is my 1 cent...
I've had good experience with intel onboard video. On a laptops that is absolutely my first choice, since the integrated driver seems to make things like suspend/resume work much better, and performance is satisfactory. OTOH on a gaming machine, I'd probably go with nvidia for now. That said, the nvidia card died some time ago on my main home desktop, and I never got around to replacing it since the onboard intel video works well enough. I can't play the latest 3D FPS, but it has more than enough capability to do the desktop eye candy, and I can play that old favorite, quake 3 arena quite well. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
At 11:39 AM 7/3/2008, J Sloan wrote:
Rui Santos wrote:
William Hammond wrote:
I'm going to put together a box for someone who basically just plays simple games (Solitaire) and goes on line.
I thought OpenSuSE might be a good choice for her.
I see a lot of threads about Nvidia, and my personal experience with OpenSuSE Graphics has be less than stellar. Often the screens are virtually unreadable even after setting font size, and of course downloading TT, but I probably don't really know how to properly configure a desktop.
but, I digress, the question is: Is there a preferred video chip set or a particular series of Video Card that has better support for OpenSuSE out of the Box...? Well, I've been using NVidia for a few year and they all worked well for me but, sometimes is not an out-of-the-box solution.
Recently I've experienced three ( I know only three, but it's a hint ) computers with Intel OnBoard VGA. The results were excellent. It will exceed your specifications by far. It will also provide you 3D out-of-the-box ( at least on openSUSE 10.3). The VGA Chip is a an Intel 965G. From what I've been reading most of semi-recent Intel chips will suffice your need if you use a recent distribution. Maybe someone else will share his/her experience on Intel Chips... This is my 1 cent...
I've had good experience with intel onboard video. On a laptops that is absolutely my first choice, since the integrated driver seems to make things like suspend/resume work much better, and performance is satisfactory.
OTOH on a gaming machine, I'd probably go with nvidia for now. That said, the nvidia card died some time ago on my main home desktop, and I never got around to replacing it since the onboard intel video works well enough. I can't play the latest 3D FPS, but it has more than enough capability to do the desktop eye candy, and I can play that old favorite, quake 3 arena quite well.
Thanks for the many suggestions for the Intel on board video. In this case it's an AMD64 board, but the suggestions will be taken seriously on future builds
Joe
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Hello, On Thu, 03 Jul 2008, J Sloan wrote: [..]
never got around to replacing it since the onboard intel video works well enough. I can't play the latest 3D FPS, but it has more than enough capability to do the desktop eye candy, and I can play that old favorite, quake 3 arena quite well.
Quake 3 "old favourite"? Move along, grasshopper. -dnh, himself not qualifying as an old fart, but "old favourites" are Lemmings, Monkey Island, Paradroid90, Civilization II (*), Descent... And if Descent isn't 3d, what is? Oh, and _my_ preferred Video Chip (on which I played all above mentioned games) is a MGA 1064SG w/ 4 MB SGRAM on a Mystique. Rock solid, not even a heatsink, and crisply displaying pixels on my main working machine for about 12 years now, with 2 summers of room-temps over 40 °C (104 °F). *exits stage left, sniggering* *) and the Linux-ported descendants "Civ - Call to Power" and "Alpha Centauri" -- "What I saw in the Xerox PARC technology was the caveman interface, you point and you grunt." -- Eben Moglen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Hello,
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008, J Sloan wrote: [..]
never got around to replacing it since the onboard intel video works well enough. I can't play the latest 3D FPS, but it has more than enough capability to do the desktop eye candy, and I can play that old favorite, quake 3 arena quite well.
Quake 3 "old favourite"? Move along, grasshopper.
-dnh, himself not qualifying as an old fart, but "old favourites" are Lemmings, Monkey Island, Paradroid90, Civilization II (*), Descent... And if Descent isn't 3d, what is? Oh, and _my_ preferred Video Chip (on which I played all above mentioned games) is a MGA 1064SG w/ 4 MB SGRAM on a Mystique. Rock solid, not even a heatsink, and crisply displaying pixels on my main working machine for about 12 years now, with 2 summers of room-temps over 40 °C (104 °F). *exits stage left, sniggering*
*) and the Linux-ported descendants "Civ - Call to Power" and "Alpha Centauri"
Battle of the gaming oldies eh? :-) howabout Elite, Eye of the Beholder, Anvil all very basic VGA, SVGA.... Run on damn near anything and do very nicely in dosbox in LInux/Doze ..... Chunters off with zimmer frame... - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIbePnasN0sSnLmgIRAtPNAKCF2nTV0ZiwjYT8C2CVc9o89XqDjACgq5v3 Jhr9p015wW9IH5y3cHF5e/0= =cbdo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi!
-dnh, himself not qualifying as an old fart, but "old favourites" are Lemmings, Monkey Island, Paradroid90, Civilization II (*), Descent... And if Descent isn't 3d, what is? Oh, and _my_ preferred Video
Yeah, Descent. And it still is fun today! Descent 1/2: http://www.dxx-rebirth.de -> http://packman.links2linux.org/package/d2x-rebirth http://www.descent2.de -> http://packman.links2linux.org/package/d2x-xl And for those more into the Quake Area - Descent3 can still be gotten from eBay and other stores in the native Loki-Version or the - works great on wine - windows version. Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Bach www.marix.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David Haller wrote:
Quake 3 "old favourite"? Move along, grasshopper.
-dnh, himself not qualifying as an old fart, but "old favourites" are Lemmings, Monkey Island, Paradroid90, Civilization II (*), Descent... And if Descent isn't 3d, what is? Oh, and _my_ preferred Video Chip (on which I played all above mentioned games) is a MGA 1064SG w/ 4 MB SGRAM on a Mystique. Rock solid, not even a heatsink, and crisply displaying pixels on my main working machine for about 12 years now, with 2 summers of room-temps over 40 °C (104 °F). *exits stage left, sniggering*
*) and the Linux-ported descendants "Civ - Call to Power" and "Alpha Centauri"
All right, you've got me there old man... But, as it turns out, doom (does anybody remember 1994?) was the oldest of the old favorites that whetted my appetite for competitive FPS gaming. Once doom and netscape were available for linux c. 1995, I nuked all microsoft partitions and gave the reclaimed disk space to linux. I did have a pentium 90 running slackware that worked flawlessly 24/7 as the internet gateway for our household for a couple years, even through a summer without air conditioning - but I concede the ground to you on the basis of your 12 year old machine. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Intel graphics chips work good with openSUSE, due to Open-Source drivers. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Alexey Eremenko wrote:
Intel graphics chips work good with openSUSE, due to Open-Source drivers.
That certainly hasn't been my experience. In more than one case I had trouble with on board Intel video in IBM computers and in each case I just put in a video card instead of using the on board. Damon Register -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I've had good experience with intel onboard video. On a laptops that is absolutely my first choice, since the integrated driver seems to make things like suspend/resume work much better, and performance is satisfactory.
OTOH on a gaming machine, I'd probably go with nvidia for now. That said, the nvidia card died some time ago on my main home desktop, and I never got around to replacing it since the onboard intel video works well enough. I can't play the latest 3D FPS, but it has more than enough capability to do the desktop eye candy, and I can play that old favorite, quake 3 arena quite well.
Hello: And what is about tvout support? I have no any experience with new cards. (See my previous post at: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2008-06/msg01247.html) Where to find info related to this? Thanks, IG ___________________________ VÁSÁROLNA? SEGÍTÜNK! Igényeljen hitelkártyát online és élvezze Ön is a vásárlás szabadságát! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
At 07:57 AM 7/3/2008, Rui Santos wrote:
William Hammond wrote:
I'm going to put together a box for someone who basically just plays simple games (Solitaire) and goes on line.
I thought OpenSuSE might be a good choice for her.
I see a lot of threads about Nvidia, and my personal experience with OpenSuSE Graphics has be less than stellar. Often the screens are virtually unreadable even after setting font size, and of course downloading TT, but I probably don't really know how to properly configure a desktop.
but, I digress, the question is: Is there a preferred video chip set or a particular series of Video Card that has better support for OpenSuSE out of the Box...? Well, I've been using NVidia for a few year and they all worked well for me but, sometimes is not an out-of-the-box solution.
Recently I've experienced three ( I know only three, but it's a hint ) computers with Intel OnBoard VGA. The results were excellent. It will exceed your specifications by far. It will also provide you 3D out-of-the-box ( at least on openSUSE 10.3). The VGA Chip is a an Intel 965G. From what I've been reading most of semi-recent Intel chips will suffice your need if you use a recent distribution. Maybe someone else will share his/her experience on Intel Chips... This is my 1 cent...
Sounds more like a 2 cent reply... Thanks
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On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:29 AM, William Hammond
but, I digress, the question is: Is there a preferred video chip set or a particular series of Video Card that has better support for OpenSuSE out of the Box...?
Linus says: The good news is that a lot of hw manufacturers are actually doing the right thing. Intel in particular has improved wrt open source a lot, and for that reason I tend to suggest that when buying a machine, just make sure that you buy one with Intel graphics and wireless. That takes care of the two biggest annoyances right there. (see http://www.apcmag.com/7016/linus_torvalds_talks_future_of_linux_page_2 ) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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