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I would like to know who's using KDE in here, in the place of GNOME? As well as the distribution has decide to "switch" to GNOME, who stayed faithfull to KDE?

1 vote for KDE

+1 for KDE (+100 if I could...) :-) -- David Mayr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 25. Januar 2007 13:47 schrieb Donnie S Bhayangkara:

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:07:38 +0700, David Mayr wrote:

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I would like to know who's using KDE in here, in the place of GNOME? As well as the distribution has decide to "switch" to GNOME, who stayed faithfull to KDE?

1 vote for KDE

+1 for KDE (+100 if I could...) :-)

+1 KDE

+1 KDE :)

On 1/25/07, riccardo35@gmail.com wrote:

On Thu 25 Jan 2007 13:26, Alexander Osthof wrote:

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1 vote for KDE

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More is better but if I had to choose it will be KDE. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 24 January 2007 20:29, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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Hi, I would like to know who's using KDE in here, in the place of GNOME? As well as the distribution has decide to "switch" to GNOME, who stayed faithfull to KDE?

after switching from 2000, then XP 4 years ago, I used KDE for about 3 years..... I installed another OS (debian) for a web server, and tried out gnome for a bit. For some reason, It kind of stuck on subsequent installs or upgrades of suse. Although I do still use quite a few packages from KDE, just not the desktop... 2 desktops using gnome on opensuse. (mine) 1 server, gnome but rarely use the desktop for anything. (lug) 1 laptop, KDE, on opensuse. (13yr old sons) i do occasionally boot into KDE to see what has changed, but I think it reminds me too much of windows, I prefer to stay with basic gnome. I think they are both just as capable as the other though. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 1/25/07, Fred A. Miller wrote:

On Wednesday January 24 2007 8:29 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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On Wednesday 24 January 2007 19:04, Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote:

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Hi, I would like to know who's using KDE in here, in the place of GNOME? As well as the distribution has decide to "switch" to GNOME, who stayed faithfull to KDE?

Optionnal question: is there a big team yet that maintains KDE and K*/Qt* apps in OpenSuSe? In other words, as _open_Suse is an almost community driven distro, has "community" blindly followed Novell's choice or is there competent people that decided to stay KDE based?

I'm using KDE and if they should only ship Gnome, I'm outa here! What an ugly interface it is!

I would be tempted to do the same.

Fred

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I was using GNOME long ago on Red Hat (when Gnome was written on Scheme) and got tired. Switched to KDE and found it so much more intuitive and configurable (to my taste,of course)! One of the reasons I abandoned RH was that they switched to Gnome, made swithing back to KDE problematic and created this terrible (to my taste) mixture "Blue Curve" (well, not the main reason). Since then I'm using KDE, though nothing prohibits me from using some Gnome applications that I like. I vote for diversity. -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote:

On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 21:12 -0600, M Harris wrote:

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Do you really want a survey (as in scientific statistical sampling) or are you *yet again* trolling for a KDE vs Gnome flame war???

I like learning to develop small programs. I hate switching distribution for small reasons. I try to decide what distribution am I going to use for the next 10 years. Then I ask some questions. If I go Qt/KDE on openSuSe, then I dont want to hear next year: "openSuSe is dropping Qt/KDE support because of lacking package maintainers". If it must happens, it will, but I whould have then invest myself in GTK learning more than in Qt.

You see what I mean?

a little work on the archives would have make you see that this is not likely to happen ever, this subject was already object of very long discussion jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Votez pour nous, merci - vote for us, thanks :-) http://musique.sfrjeunestalents.fr/artiste/Magic-Alliance/ http://photo.sfrjeunestalents.fr/artiste/jddphoto/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 25. Januar 2007 04:39 schrieb Aschwin Marsman:

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote:

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Hi, I would like to know who's using KDE in here, in the place of GNOME? As well as the distribution has decide to "switch" to GNOME, who stayed faithfull to KDE?

KDE (XFCE).

Best regards from the Netherlands,

Aschwin Marsman

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On Thursday 25 January 2007 02:01, Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote:

"The poster" is looking for the distribution he will use. I recommend platform independence. It is always best in my opinion to create apps that will work well regardless of the desktop environment.

I heard some good things about fvwm and tried it. Both KDE and Gnome are becoming bloated. (I'm not complaining) The reason I at times prefer fvwm (or even twm) is when I need the window manager (and desktop) to have a small foot-print in memory.... when I have lots of files open and am in a heavy development/compile cycle. But when I am playing with the machine, listening to music, doing some word processing, reading the mail, and posting to this list.... then I want my fully functional KDE.

I assisted a Novell conference in Paris this summer, and was impressed by two or three things in the SLED/SLES, then I try it. What's wrong? nothing

I knwo use Emacs, but begin to wonder if I could/should not use a more modern tool such as KDevelop, as well as I use KDevelop supported langages (Python, C, shell script,...) Use what works best for you. I'm an old vi (vim) guy, I prefer the command line interface and raw text files... so what? Only you can evaluate the tools for yourself.

I also subscribed Xen, mailman, xfce, openoffice, etc... mailing lists. Will you say I am wrong? Only if you are a spamming troll... present company excluded-- no accusation intended. But if you are serious (and I have my doubts) then taking a look through the archives first is your best bet.

English is not my mother tongue langage, resulting in a strange (even bad) way of expression. And what? you would get the same noticed if you try to write/speak a langage you dont practice. When I studied the Greek language Greek grammar and spelling were requirements. Similar requirements applied when I studied Hebrew and Latin. If you are going to use English on a regular basis, I strongly recommend that you learn the language well. EASL classes are available the world over. You clearly know enough English to benefit from such a class. Please do not play the *English is not my heart language* card and expect to get any sympathy here because you are not communicating well-- either learn the language, or do not use it. I only say this because you whined--- no whining! You will notice on this list that (unless you whine) no one ever gets blasted for trying to use English as a second language. On the other hand folks get blasted all the time here for spamming, placing OT on the list, top posting, generally being a troll, or asking questions (designed to inflame) that have been discussed ad nauseum.

Have you played around with tcl/tk yet...? -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 25 January 2007 11:42, Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote:

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Have you played around with tcl/tk yet...?

Tk, yes with Python. Why? My question goes back to your desire to program to the right desktop. Again, I prefer whenever possible to build apps that are platform independent... and I prefer tcl/tk (or Java) for that purpose. In other words... instead of relying on some desktop environment shared library, I think its really better to rely on a library that works across all environments (maybe even M$). Apps built with tcl/tk do this quite nicely... even across OS's. If you are using Python Tk you already know what I mean. The same thing can be accomplished with Java; although tcl is a much better glue for applications in my opinion-- easier to merge C / C++ code, and much easier to script (obviously). Another way of saying this would be focus on the design of the app and spend less time worrying about where the app will be executing. You know... write once... debug everywhere. Of course this all goes out the window if the app you are working on is automating the desktop somehow, or relies on desktop environment variables, and such things as that. You did not specify your field.

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On Thursday 25 January 2007 12:40, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:

EASL classes are available the world

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over. You clearly know enough English to benefit from such a class. Please do not play the *English is not my heart language* card and expect to get any sympathy here because you are not communicating well-

What's wrong with his communication? I thought it was great! So did I... I was responding to his whine.... he is the one who mentioned not being able to communicate... actually, I thought he did quite well considering...

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On Wednesday 24 January 2007 23:05, James Ogley wrote:

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I would like to know who's using KDE in here, in the place of GNOME?

Interesting question, suggests one needs to manually remove GNOME in order to use KDE.

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As well as the distribution has decide to "switch" to GNOME, who stayed faithfull to KDE?

Interesting statement, suggests the poster has an axe to grind.

[Engage Google Mode]

Hmmm, the poster has a history of hopping around distro mailing lists and asking strange questions. Why, only this month he was interested in switching to FVWM on Gentoo. He's hit the Fedora list, Mandrake's Cooker list and the Debian lists. Guess we're next.

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Optionnal question: is there a big team yet that maintains KDE and K*/Qt* apps in OpenSuSe?

Is there a big team "yet"? Suggesting that KDE is lagging behind in openSUSE. Far from the truth. There are plenty of KDE hackers in the openSUSE community.

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In other words, as _open_Suse is an almost community driven distro, has "community" blindly followed Novell's choice or is there competent people that decided to stay KDE based?

What a loaded statement. Competent people only use KDE. Even dyed in the wool KDE users know that's not true.

Let's not give this stirrer the oxygen of responding to his little survey any more guys. -- James Ogley james@usr-local-bin.org http://usr-local-bin.org GNOME for openSUSE: http://repos.opensuse.org/GNOME:/ Help end poverty: http://oxfam.org.uk/in

Note to original poster of the question (and obviously the guy doing research on desktop environ habits. Hmmm! Researcher, Reporter, Shill, or Troll?). Remember when I mentioned that even back in the day when SuSE official support for GNOME was far less than that of KDE, but that there were many competent and skilled developers/coders that offered GNOME packages (third party) that provided viable GNOME packages - He's just introduced himself. And if not for James and a few other cohorts I'd have been folding in GNOME packages from tarballs instead of rpms way back then. I think you've gotten your answer here. SuSE has always advocated using whatever the user prefers, be it KDE or GNOME. With guys like James provide solid packages for people like myself I've always flipped in and out of the respective desktops. And more importantly had access to various GNOME apps at my leasure. I don't think you get the F/OSS thing. It's about choice, participation, ease of use and "innovation". James and the GNOME faithful are old partners here on the SuSE list. It's not a competition here. It's a coop. Use what works for you. I fail to see the point of trying to differentiate who's faithful to Gnome "vs" KDE. People are more faithful to Linux and F/OSS, of which GNOME and KDE are part of the equation. Any perception for or of dominance is to miss the point in the first place! Have a good day! Curtis. -- Spammers Beware: Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again! I don't want a politician I can believe in. I simply want a politician I can believe! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Peter Bradley wrote:

Ysgrifennodd Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y):

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Hi, I would like to know who's using KDE in here, in the place of GNOME? As well as the distribution has decide to "switch" to GNOME, who stayed faithfull to KDE?

Optionnal question: is there a big team yet that maintains KDE and K*/Qt* apps in OpenSuSe? In other words, as _open_Suse is an almost community driven distro, has "community" blindly followed Novell's choice or is there competent people that decided to stay KDE based?

I'm using KDE, but then again, I'm on 10.0 where it was the default. I didn't even install Gnome. I'm using 10.1 with KDE. Will use 10.2 with KDE.

From what I've seen of Gnome, I don't like it, and if SUSE stopped supporting it 100%, I'd go to a different distribution. My thoughts exactly...

Just my 2c.

Peter

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Am Donnerstag, 25. Januar 2007 14:23 schrieb Bernhard Walle:

* Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) [2007-01-25 01:04]:

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I would like to know who's using KDE in here, in the place of GNOME? As well as the distribution has decide to "switch" to GNOME, who stayed faithfull to KDE?

Xfce :)

who would have guessed.... ;) kde += 1 btw; -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 25 January 2007 11:23, Alexey Eremenko wrote:

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I would like to know who's using KDE in here, in the place of GNOME? As well as the distribution has decide to "switch" to GNOME, who stayed faithfull to KDE?

Despite hating GNOME, I still find few GTK based apps excellent: GIMP, X-Chat and, of course FireFox !

I'm the same way. Not a big fan of Gnome as a desktop interface, but the apps... GIMP, grip, firefox, GQview, gftp, and gaim are all staples for me. brian KDE for 9 years -- Brian Jackson Photo Sports ~ People ~ Events http://www.BrianJacksonPhoto.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 25 January 2007 18:57, Curtis Rey wrote:

 The main reason many in the business world tend to lean toward GNOME over KDE is usually due to license issue related to QT/Trolltech vs GTK.

But this issue disappeared over a year ago, taking with it GNOME's sole reason for existing. It was launched in a fit of pique over the QT license, and with that issue behind it new development in Gnome has not kept pace with KDE. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

On Monday 29 January 2007, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

Perhaps with the porting of KDE 4.0 apps (not the KDE desktop or window manager) to MAC OS-X, there will develop a more defined interface between the desktop and the app itself.

Say what? If anything, that is a knock on Gnome rather than KDE. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org