NetBeans 5.5 Released

PerfectReign

1 Nov 2006 1 Nov '06

17:57

Just so everyone is aware, the only really easy IDE and Visual Design environment for cross-platform development (see: www.donumonster.com) is now upgraded: http://www.netbeans.org/products/ -- Kai Ponte www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request

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HG

7 Nov 7 Nov

11:38

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Hi! On 11/1/06, PerfectReign wrote:

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Just so everyone is aware, the only really easy IDE and Visual Design environment for cross-platform development (see: www.donumonster.com) is now upgraded:

http://www.netbeans.org/products/

What would be the preferred method for installing this? Again, I find myself to be a newbie :-) ... I only found an installer that seems to install Netbeans for one user and not for everybody. (This is actually ok for me at home, but...) Where to get rpm's (for 10.0)? -- HG.

Kai Ponte

16:53

New subject: [SLE] NetBeans 5.5 Released

On Tuesday 07 November 2006 03:38, HG wrote:

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Hi!

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http://www.netbeans.org/products/

What would be the preferred method for installing this? Again, I find myself to be a newbie :-) ... I only found an installer that seems to install Netbeans for one user and not for everybody. (This is actually ok for me at home, but...) Where to get rpm's (for 10.0)?

I doubt you'll find RPM's for NB 5.5 yet. If you want the installer to install for everybody then just install it to an appropriate common location. An example might be /usr/bin/netbeans. You would want to create the netbeans folder in this location. (You'd want to be root while doing this or it will be a very short install process.) You would then create a menu item in the KDE/GNOME menu for netbeans. When you launch, it will create a local ./netbeans folder for your stuff. -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com

Chuck Davis

17:04

New subject: [SLE] NetBeans 5.5 Released

Additionally, HG, you might want to subscribe to the NetBeans mailing lists, especially nbusers. You can do so at the www.netbeans.org site. Many helpful people there (including Kai). If you are a Java developer and you have not yet tried NB you are in for a treat! Chuck On 11/7/06, Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Tuesday 07 November 2006 03:38, HG wrote:

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Hi!

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http://www.netbeans.org/products/

What would be the preferred method for installing this? Again, I find myself to be a newbie :-) ... I only found an installer that seems to install Netbeans for one user and not for everybody. (This is actually ok for me at home, but...) Where to get rpm's (for 10.0)?

I doubt you'll find RPM's for NB 5.5 yet.

If you want the installer to install for everybody then just install it to an appropriate common location. An example might be /usr/bin/netbeans. You would want to create the netbeans folder in this location. (You'd want to be root while doing this or it will be a very short install process.)

You would then create a menu item in the KDE/GNOME menu for netbeans.

When you launch, it will create a local ./netbeans folder for your stuff.

-- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com

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George Stoianov

9 Nov 9 Nov

14:33

New subject: [SLE] NetBeans 5.5 Released

Plus Sun has provided their visual web development kit for this version, as a preview for now, to the project the IDE really rocks. On 11/7/06, Chuck Davis wrote:

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Additionally, HG, you might want to subscribe to the NetBeans mailing lists, especially nbusers. You can do so at the www.netbeans.org site. Many helpful people there (including Kai). If you are a Java developer and you have not yet tried NB you are in for a treat!

Chuck

On 11/7/06, Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Tuesday 07 November 2006 03:38, HG wrote:

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Hi!

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http://www.netbeans.org/products/

What would be the preferred method for installing this? Again, I find myself to be a newbie :-) ... I only found an installer that seems to install Netbeans for one user and not for everybody. (This is actually ok for me at home, but...) Where to get rpm's (for 10.0)?

I doubt you'll find RPM's for NB 5.5 yet.

If you want the installer to install for everybody then just install it to an appropriate common location. An example might be /usr/bin/netbeans. You would want to create the netbeans folder in this location. (You'd want to be root while doing this or it will be a very short install process.)

You would then create a menu item in the KDE/GNOME menu for netbeans.

When you launch, it will create a local ./netbeans folder for your stuff.

-- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com

-- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

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Peter Van Lone

14:46

New subject: [SLE] NetBeans 5.5 Released

On 11/7/06, Chuck Davis wrote:

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Additionally, HG, you might want to subscribe to the NetBeans mailing lists, especially nbusers. You can do so at the www.netbeans.org site. Many helpful people there (including Kai). If you are a Java developer and you have not yet tried NB you are in for a treat!

just out of curiosity ... can anyone compare the netbeans IDE to eclipse?

Kai Ponte

16:07

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On Thursday 09 November 2006 06:43, Peter Van Lone wrote:

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On 11/7/06, Chuck Davis wrote:

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Additionally, HG, you might want to subscribe to the NetBeans mailing lists, especially nbusers. You can do so at the www.netbeans.org site. Many helpful people there (including Kai). If you are a Java developer and you have not yet tried NB you are in for a treat!

just out of curiosity ... can anyone compare the netbeans IDE to eclipse?

I'd be happy to. First, a little background. I started out using IDE's with Visual Basic 2.0 back in '93. Though I used a few 4GL tools, I've been programming in VB ever since. I still do a bit of maintenance on VB6 apps and am in charge of a HUGE development effort, mostly using Visual Studio 2002 as the IDE. (C# is the primary language.) As far as I'm concerned VB is THE development environment standard to which I compare all others in terms of ease of use and RAD. I avoided Java like the plague for many years due to their lack of having a good IDE. In fact, it wasn't until I started playing with Eclipse that I even gave Java a second look. I like the Write-Once Run-Anywhere idea, but the development tools just sucked, in my opinion. There's nothing - IMO - worse than trying to put a GUI program together using a mix of grid bag, flow, and directional layouts. Ugh! By comparison, in VB/Visual Studio I was able to simply drag and drop my controls and resize. The only problem was that the apps are Win32 or Win64 and don't run on Linux or Macintosh. Finally, Eclipse came along. I felt it was a godsend for finally being able to do cross-platform RAD development. I eagerly loaded it up on my Windows and Linux workstations and went to town. However, I found that it suffered from a bad mentality. I couldn't do the GUI wanted without having to resort to nesting layouts like in straight Java. I then tried Instantiation's Window Builder using their SWT layout designer. It works beautifully on Windows but would always crash on Linux. Also, I am not very bright, and so had a heck of a time determining how to include the non-native SWT libraries in my runtime distribution. Giving up, I started loading Netbeans 5 with the Matisse designer. All I can say is that Matisse rox! It allows for easy drag-n-drop layout using any or all styles that I need (within SWING/AWT) and it doesn't crash. :) I found it easy for my little brain to determine how to roll out the apps and attach to databases. It also is a well laid out GUI in itself and scales well. Also, if you want to run it in MDI or SDI mode, you can. (Are you GIMP peeps reading this?) In other words, I think NetBeans/Matisse is the best GUI IDE that I've seen since VB/VS. Now, that said, I haven't run any of the lastest (in the past year) versions of Eclipse or JBuilder or Jigloo. They may have progressed, I don't know. For example, here's an app I really need to get back to in Windows... http://donutmonster.com/stuff/dm_screen051024.jpg ...and in Linux... http://donutmonster.com/stuff/dm_screen051024_linux.jpg Give it a try. At the very least you will be out some time, and you will have learned a bit more of what's out there. -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com www.4thedadz.com

HG

20:24

New subject: [SLE] NetBeans 5.5 Released

Hi! On 11/7/06, Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Tuesday 07 November 2006 03:38, HG wrote:

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Hi!

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http://www.netbeans.org/products/

What would be the preferred method for installing this? Again, I find myself to be a newbie :-) ... I only found an installer that seems to install Netbeans for one user and not for everybody. (This is actually ok for me at home, but...) Where to get rpm's (for 10.0)?

I doubt you'll find RPM's for NB 5.5 yet.

If you want the installer to install for everybody then just install it to an appropriate common location. An example might be /usr/bin/netbeans. You

Yes, I figured that if I run it as root, and install it to "appropriate common location" then it might work. Or course, I'd have to learn how to create KDE menu items for all users too. I already failed the first part, the "appropriate common location". How's one to know what that is in OpenSUSE linux? It's probably not the same as in XYZ linux, is it? Isn't RPM's taking care of all this? So why suddenly make the user have to know these things? I do not like this way. I used to tell everybody that it's much easier to install software in SUSE than it is in Windows. (Not really, as in windows you run installer and click nextnextnext, in SUSE you select the software from list and click install. And in both it is then miraculously installed to the correct place and added to the programs menu. Afaik, even in OS X you have to know where to install software - yes, you just drag it there, but where is "there"?) Is this the future, or is this just SUN? I was also going to download the latest JDK from SUN, but it seemed to have the same "installer" so I didn't bother. Will it install itself correctly to SUSE? Will it be managed by Yast or smart? With RPM, there would be no problems, but now I didn't bother to try. I'll try to send feedback to SUN someday (when I have the time to find out how and to register to all places where I need to register to send the two line feedback...).

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would want to create the netbeans folder in this location. (You'd want to be root while doing this or it will be a very short install process.)

You would then create a menu item in the KDE/GNOME menu for netbeans.

Luckily, I do not have to learn this yet (I do not have to install it to anybody else). But thanks anyways :-) Oh, I did start eclipse (as I had that easily installed in SUSE), but I didn't quite get going with it. I liked NetBeans much more. I really hope that the openSUSE guys could get NB included directly in the distro. Although, I'm not sure about the license. Yes, it's free to use, but it SUN license, so it might not be possible. It would be great though. -- HG.

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