On Friday August 20 2004 1:27 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Friday 20 August 2004 19:20, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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-- KMail - Enhancements to mailing list handling -- good - Styled text composition -- good - Quick Search bar -- nice There are some glitches and shortcomings: The HTML formatting toolbar and the command to show and hide it get out of sync. In-line spell-checking is not available when composing styled email. There is a problem with saving a style mail draft and then reopening it to continue editing.

Don't forget the new antispam wizard

Nice. I get my mail via pop....directly from ISPs. I assume there's no way to use this new feature, right? Thanks, Fred -- "Running Windows on a Pentium is like getting a Porsche but only being able to drive it in reverse with the handbrake on."

On Friday August 20 2004 9:00 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:

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Nice. I get my mail via pop....directly from ISPs. I assume there's no way to use this new feature, right?

Sure there is, but of course you'll still have to download the spam to run it through spamassassin, so you won't be saving any bandwidth

That's what I thought. I can see where it's a nice feature for a business when using sendmail or some other with spamassassin. Fred -- "Running Windows on a Pentium is like getting a Porsche but only being able to drive it in reverse with the handbrake on."

On Friday August 20 2004 10:03 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Saturday 21 August 2004 03:27, Fred Miller wrote:

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On Friday August 20 2004 9:00 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:

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Nice. I get my mail via pop....directly from ISPs. I assume there's no way to use this new feature, right?

Sure there is, but of course you'll still have to download the spam to run it through spamassassin, so you won't be saving any bandwidth

That's what I thought. I can see where it's a nice feature for a business when using sendmail or some other with spamassassin.

Well, all client side antispam solutions require you to download the mail before it can be tested, there just aren't any good ways of testing for spam without seeing the mail body. And if you're running the server yourself, you don't really need a kmail wizard, since then you'd be running spamassassin directly on the server

Quite right. Fred -- "Running Windows on a Pentium is like getting a Porsche but only being able to drive it in reverse with the handbrake on."

On Saturday 21 August 2004 11:08, rkimber@ntlworld.com wrote:

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:03:32 +0200

Anders Johansson wrote:

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Well, all client side antispam solutions require you to download the mail before it can be tested, there just aren't any good ways of testing for spam without seeing the mail body. And if you're running the server yourself, you don't really need a kmail wizard, since then you'd be running spamassassin directly on the server

Surely with mailfilter and some carefully crafted filter rules, it is possible to delete a proportion of it on the mail server without downloading the body?

A proportion, sure. The most inept cases of spam, i.e. subject lines like "PLEASE HELP", or "GET BIGGER NOW" would get caught, but the cleverer spams would be more difficult.

On Saturday 21 August 2004 10:08, rkimber@ntlworld.com wrote:

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:03:32 +0200 Surely with mailfilter and some carefully crafted filter rules, it is possible to delete a proportion of it on the mail server without downloading the body?

Try Kshowmail

Fred, On Friday 20 August 2004 15:01, Fred Miller wrote:

On Friday August 20 2004 1:20 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Hi,

Well, as I mentioned briefly, I did "take the plunge."

Here are my observations so far:

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Any idea why Konq. is "busted" with a signal 11 error?

Thanks,

Fred

Well, if I experienced that problem, I'd be looking into it. Actually, after the update completed, I noticed that my Konqueror window had closed. (I use Konqueror only for local files browsing and occasionaly for FTP--I use Mozilla 1.7.2 for Web browsing, by the way.) I tried to open a new Konqueror window, but it misbehaved and soon crashed. So I logged out ... no wait, I rebooted (there's that superstition, again) and since then, have had no such problems. There were all those panel glitches, which have now passed and the problem with the "Run Command" (ALT-F2) virtual desktop "stickiness" is the only thing I'm aware of that's not working properly. The difference between the old "Remember Window Configuration" (I forget the exact wording of the command in the "Advanced" sub-menu of the KDE 3.2 window manager menu) and the new "Window-Specific Settings" is so great, that KDE 3.3's attempt to migrate those old settings is apparently falling a little short of the mark. In the long run, I look forward to exploiting these new Window-Specific Settings (I have long been wanting to be able to exclude certain windows from the Taskbar, e.g.), but I need to hunt down the documentation so I can sort out all the details (sound familiar?). Randall Schulz

On Friday 20 Aug 2004 23:18, Randall R Schulz wrote:

Fred,

On Friday 20 August 2004 15:01, Fred Miller wrote:

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On Friday August 20 2004 1:20 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Hi,

Well, as I mentioned briefly, I did "take the plunge."

Here are my observations so far:

[snip]

Any idea why Konq. is "busted" with a signal 11 error?

Thanks,

Fred

Well, if I experienced that problem, I'd be looking into it.

Actually, after the update completed, I noticed that my Konqueror window had closed. (I use Konqueror only for local files browsing and occasionaly for FTP--I use Mozilla 1.7.2 for Web browsing, by the way.) I tried to open a new Konqueror window, but it misbehaved and soon crashed. So I logged out ... no wait, I rebooted (there's that superstition, again) and since then, have had no such problems.

Konqueror bombs out with Sig11 all the time but i also use Mozilla but the 1.8a2 version with no problems wish i could replace Konqueror as the local file browser think the old XFM was so much beter but think MC sucks

There were all those panel glitches, which have now passed and the problem with the "Run Command" (ALT-F2) virtual desktop "stickiness" is the only thing I'm aware of that's not working properly.

Not noticed any thing with the Alt-F2 Run Command that appeares on the correct desktop every time .

The difference between the old "Remember Window Configuration" (I forget the exact wording of the command in the "Advanced" sub-menu of the KDE 3.2 window manager menu) and the new "Window-Specific Settings" is so great, that KDE 3.3's attempt to migrate those old settings is apparently falling a little short of the mark.

In the long run, I look forward to exploiting these new Window-Specific Settings (I have long been wanting to be able to exclude certain windows from the Taskbar, e.g.), but I need to hunt down the documentation so I can sort out all the details (sound familiar?).

Randall Schulz

Other than that it seems fine Pete. -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan PGN

On Saturday 21 Aug 2004 00:56, Randall R Schulz wrote:

Howdy, SuSErs,

On Friday 20 August 2004 10:20, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Hi,

Well, as I mentioned briefly, I did "take the plunge."

Here are my observations so far:

-- KMail - Enhancements to mailing list handling -- good - Styled text composition -- good - Quick Search bar -- nice There are some glitches and shortcomings: The HTML formatting toolbar and the command to show and hide it get out of sync. In-line spell-checking is not available when composing styled email. There is a problem with saving a style mail draft and then reopening it to continue editing.

I've discovered more cool KMail stuff:

- Mailboxes can be marked so that replies to messages they contain get moved to that mailbox once successfully sent. I used to do this manually, which can get tedious. - Mailing list handling: For lists that add standards-compliant headers, KMail can automatically extract things like posting, subscribing and unsubscribing addresses as well as the list's description.

Still lacking: - Comprehensive set of icons for all commands that can be added to toolbars. (This goes for many KDE applications, sadly.)

Randall Schulz

Have you looked looked in Settings>Toolbars seems to be plenty icons for commands there .. Pete. -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan PGN