Hi all,

A couple of questions at first.

1. What is a K8 kernel? I thought it was a kernel compiled for K8 (i.e. AMD Hammer 64bit

On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 07:13, Rohit wrote: processor). But thanks to Thorsten's reply I think I might have it only halfway right.

2. When you say Athlon-xp, do you include Athlon xp-2400? Yes. Athlon-XP started with the Palomino core and include the Thoroughbred cores and Barton core. 2400+ is a Thoroughbred. "Athlon-XP" would also, as far as the chip architecture, include the Morgan core Durons (I think they came from 1ghz upward). The older ones are the spitfire cores, which is closer to the Thunderbird Athlons.

3. Does your setup run better? Or faster? Don't see any difference at all.

Hans

Hi all Am I right in understanding then, from what has been said, that SuSE 9 will use the new 2.6 kernel? -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 ICQ: 92791912 Jabber: vicarofwibley@jabber.org YIM: vicarofwibley Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. 7:36am up 9 days 20:49, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 21:49, Greg Freemyer wrote:

IIRC, it will have a 2.4.x kernel for stable use, but include a 2.6.x kernel for experimentation.

Just one thought: there seems to be agreement (although I don't believe it just yet) that the next version will be 9.0. Doesn't it make more sense to number it 8.3 and make the first version that runs on 2.6 final or something later 9.0? Just my 2 cents Hans

* arnaud kubacki (edouard.kubacki@wanadoo.fr) [030927 03:19]:

I am wondering why they call this release 9.0 instead of 8.3. Ok wait and see for the improvements. I would be to see Star Office 7 in it though, since Sun and Sun work close together now.

Question...why not just use OpenOffice 1.1 since StarOffice is built on it. It's much like the difference between Netscape 7.1 and Mozilla 1.4. The only thing you really lose is branding. OpenOffice now has spellchecking and a lot of other stuff that made SO 6.0 the viable choice. I don't think this is the case anymore. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

* Jerry Feldman (gaf@blu.org) [030927 12:09]:

Sun's logo is on OpenOffice.org 1.1RC5.

Very true. But they don't charge $$$ for OpenOffice. Which was pretty much my point. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

On Mon, Sep 29, Mark Hounschell wrote:

Philipp Thomas wrote:

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H du Plooy [Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:59:35 +0200]:

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Will this be separate distros for x86-32 and x86-64?

Yes, as code compiled for AMD64 (official name for x86-64) will *not* run on an ia32 platform.

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Will the 64bit version *need* 64bit hardware, or just be capable of *using* it?

As said, it will *need* it.

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I'm just curious about this. Why does a K8 kernel work on an Athlon-XP?

Because you're using a compiler that can only generate 32 bit binaries. You'd need a cross compiler and matching cross tools to build a real 64 bit kernel and that wouldn't run on your 32 bit hardware.

Philipp

What are the chances of SuSE 8.2 installing on a dual opteron box? Also,

Should work fine.

can't the current gcc generate 64 bit code for the opteron?

What did you understand with "current"? The binaries on SuSE Linux 8.2 cannot generate this code, like the bianries cannot generate SPARC or PowerPC Code, too. AMD64 is a different architecture and you would need a cross compiler. Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk http://www.suse.de/~kukuk/ kukuk@suse.de SuSE Linux AG Deutschherrnstr. 15-19 D-90429 Nuernberg -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint = A368 676B 5E1B 3E46 CFCE 2D97 F8FD 4E23 56C6 FB4B

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can't the current gcc generate 64 bit code for the opteron?

What did you understand with "current"? The binaries on SuSE Linux 8.2 cannot generate this code, like the bianries cannot generate SPARC or PowerPC Code, too. AMD64 is a different architecture and you would need a cross compiler.

Thorsten

I just figured that the gcc-3.3 had support in it already to generate 64 bit code for the opteron. What gcc revision can or will do this? I'm getting one of these this week and get to play with it for 90 days. I would sure like to be able test everything in true 64 bit mode also. I tried to get on the beta list for 9.0 but was ignored.

GCC 3.3 can generate AMD64 binaries *as long as* it's compiled either on that platform or built as a cross-compiler. The binary that comes with a SuSE release is built for that specific platform. For example, the GCC that comes with SLES for S/390 cannot create binaries that work on x86. If you get the AMD64 release of SuSE 9.0, everything will be built as AMD64 binaries. -- trey