Partitioning of dual boot machine
I need to repartition my hard disk, but need input on how to do it and what the different partitions are called in the disk tool in YaST (I still get a little confused about primary, extended and logical partitions). Also I would appreciate comments and suggestions, since this partition and installations needs to run fo a few fears. It is a 160 GB and I need it for a dual boot machine (Linux and WinXP for a 40 GB iPod). I have something like this in mind: "Primary partition": WinXP NTFS 60 GB "Extended partition" (with the following "logical partitions"): /boot ext3 50 MB /swap swap 512 MB / ext3 10 GB /home ext3 50 GB Is that OK? Do I use primary and extended in the right way – and what about the order of the partitions? Any othe comments? I am considering dividing the Win-partition into two partitions – one for the OS and one for data (maybe in FAT32 format). How would such a partition table look like (would that demand one more primary partition)? Will I have to create the two Win partitions from YaST or from Windows? Janus -- Roskilde University, Denmark. Department of Technology and Social Science. International Development Studies. ESST - Society, Science and Technology in Europe.
On Saturday 10 of July 2004 10:16, Janus Sandsgaard wrote: Janus, IMO:
"Primary partition":
WinXP NTFS 60 GB
"Extended partition" (with the following "logical partitions"):
/boot ext3 50 MB I would not create separate /boot partition unless you are developer and plans to deal with various of kernels (lilo does not have a 1024 cyl limit anymore)
/swap swap 512 MB how much memory do you have. For future use (who knows?) I would add some MB to that say 750MB in total
/ ext3 10 GB /home ext3 50 GB
Is that OK? Do I use primary and extended in the right way – and what about the order of the partitions? when you delete /boot from your list you can create all four partiotions as primary.
Any othe comments?
I am considering dividing the Win-partition into two partitions – one for the OS and one for data (maybe in FAT32 format). I don't think it is any advantage using c: and d: for data (i have an experience with that). a lot of stupid win programs assumes your data are on c: and you will have to deal with this defalt setting
How would such a partition table look like (would that demand one more primary partition)? Will I have to create the two Win partitions from YaST or from Windows? I would recommend to create everything in yast
-- Marek Chlopek
On Saturday 10 July 2004 10:45, Marek Chlopek wrote:
how much memory do you have. For future use (who knows?) I would add some MB to that say 750MB in total
I have 512 MB, but might add another 512 MB - I use VmWare.
when you delete /boot from your list you can create all four partiotions as primary.
What is the advantage of running only on primary partition?
I don't think it is any advantage using c: and d: for data (i have an experience with that). a lot of stupid win programs assumes your data are on c: and you will have to deal with this defalt setting
Hmmm.... Maybe I should'n then. I was considering it, because I whought it would be smart with one partitions for the WinOS, which could then be reinstalled without affecting the large mp3 collection (40 gb from iPod). Janus -- Roskilde University, Denmark. Department of Technology and Social Science. International Development Studies. ESST - Society, Science and Technology in Europe.
Janus Sandsgaard wrote:
On Saturday 10 July 2004 10:45, Marek Chlopek wrote:
when you delete /boot from your list you can create all four partiotions as primary.
What is the advantage of running only on primary partition?
Generally none at all.
I don't think it is any advantage using c: and d: for data (i have an experience with that). a lot of stupid win programs assumes your data are on c: and you will have to deal with this defalt setting
When you have a choice, don't use stupid apps. The rest allow you to put data in a proper location instead of stupid windoze defaults. Most stupid windoze apps can be prevented from imposing their stupidity by restricting the space available on C:. Make C: a 7.8 megabyte partition, installing the windoze OS to D:, and you can easily fill C: to 0 freespace, preventing stupid app mischief.
Hmmm.... Maybe I should'n then. I was considering it, because I whought it would be smart with one partitions for the WinOS, which could then be reinstalled without affecting the large mp3 collection (40 gb from iPod).
The best approach is always segregating data from the OS, and preferably from app storage as well, unless of course you never back up, in which case nothing matters, since your goal is to run till something breaks, then start all over from 0. -- "If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you;" Proverbs 9:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
I was moving my server from RedHat to Suse. One problem is about reading e-mails. In order to get outlook express to work (IMAP), it was necessary to use certificate - "openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -out imapd.pem -keyout imapd.pem -days 365" Then it all workes again with outlook. But I can't get squirrelmail to work (it worked ok with redhat), it says that 111:connection refused. What could be the problem?
I was moving my server from RedHat to Suse. I got my webpages mostly to work, but now there is small problem with users home directories. They worked ok until I started to mess with virtual hosts (i got these to work). Now when entering to some users homepage .../~user it lists files in the directories. I think it is easy to configure from somewhere, but form where...?
I was moving my server from RedHat to Suse. I got my webpages mostly to work, but now there is small problem with users home directories. They worked ok until I started to mess with virtual hosts (i got these to work). Now when entering to some users homepage .../~user it lists files in the directories, not index file. I think it is easy to configure from somewhere, but from where...?
And another problem seems to be here. PHP is working nicely in users home directories, but not in virtual hosts. In phpinfo I see: Virtual Directory Support: disabled. Does this has smth to do with virtual hosts? How can I then enable it?
I was moving my server from RedHat to Suse. I got my webpages mostly to work, but now there is small problem with users home directories. They worked ok until I started to mess with virtual hosts (i got these to work). Now when entering to some users homepage .../~user it lists files in the directories. I think it is easy to configure from somewhere, but form where...?
Ok, it was silly problem. I didn't configure mod_userdir.conf, where it was also necessary to write "DirectoryIndex index.php index.html..." and remove Options Indexes.
Janus Sandsgaard wrote:
I need to repartition my hard disk, but need input on how to do it and what the different partitions are called in the disk tool in YaST (I still get a little confused about primary, extended and logical partitions). Also I would appreciate comments and suggestions, since this partition and installations needs to run fo a few fears.
It is a 160 GB and I need it for a dual boot machine (Linux and WinXP for a 40 GB iPod). I have something like this in mind:
"Primary partition":
WinXP NTFS 60 GB
"Extended partition" (with the following "logical partitions"):
/boot ext3 50 MB
Make /boot a 75MB primary instead. Then, put Grub on it instead of the MBR. That way, if you ever need to reinstall windoze, after windoze makes its own primary active, preventing you from booting Linux, all you need do, which can be done with any of several DOS or windoze or Linux tools, is change the active partition back to /boot.
/swap swap 512 MB / ext3 10 GB /home ext3 50 GB
Is that OK?
/ really doesn't need to be so big for a typical installation. I've never installed "everything", so don't know if that might use it all up.
Do I use primary and extended in the right way â and what about the order of the partitions? Any othe comments?
I never make windoze the first partition on a multiboot system just as a matter of principle. That's like saying what M$ wants is most important. I make a maintenance partition /dev/hda1, the boot loader partition /dev/hda2, and windoze on /dev/hda3.
I am considering dividing the Win-partition into two partitions â one for the OS and one for data (maybe in FAT32 format). How would such a partition table look like (would that demand one more primary partition)?
I never give any OS more space than it should need. This means C: is a tiny partition that windoze apps that assume C: will fill up trying to install, one or two logical cylinders, or 7.8 or 15.9 MB (/dev/hda3). Then D: is the windoze OS partition, around 4 GB on /dev/hda8, after swap on /dev/hda5, / on /dev/hda6 & /home on /dev/hda7, as I like to keep the Linux partitions together. E: for windoze data would go last on /dev/hda8. Making data partitions last makes it easier to change your mind and add extra partitions for backups or extra OS's. I often end a disk with partitions to mirror / and the windoze OS partition plus a lot of unpartitioned space. Disks now are so big that using them all for just a few big partitions makes for much never used space except for those people who will fill all available space no matter how much there is.
Will I have to create the two Win partitions from YaST or from Windows?
Technically it doesn't really matter which tool you use, but in the long run, the best way to partition a multiboot system is to never use any partitioning tool that requires only one specific OS. See URL below for more. -- "If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you;" Proverbs 9:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/partitioningindex.html
On Saturday 10 July 2004 14:19, Felix Miata wrote:
Make /boot a 75MB primary instead. Then, put Grub on it instead of the MBR.
How do I do that?
That way, if you ever need to reinstall windoze, after windoze makes its own primary active, preventing you from booting Linux, all you need do, which can be done with any of several DOS or windoze or Linux tools, is change the active partition back to /boot.
Is that an easier way that following the standard procedure suggested ny SUSE (boot in rescue mode etc)?
/swap swap 512 MB / ext3 10 GB /home ext3 50 GB
Is that OK?
/ really doesn't need to be so big for a typical installation. I've never installed "everything", so don't know if that might use it all up.
OK. Today my SuSE 9.0 system looks like this: janus@sputnik:~> df -h Filsystem Størr Brugt Tilb Brug% Monteret på /dev/hda5 9,9G 5,1G 4,3G 55% / /dev/hda9 99M 8,3M 86M 9% /boot /dev/hda8 91G 20G 67G 23% /home /dev/hda6 2,6G 1,1G 1,5G 43% /var tmpfs 236M 0 236M 0% /dev/shm / and /var takes up around 6 GB. I guess you are right.
I never make windoze the first partition on a multiboot system just as a matter of principle. That's like saying what M$ wants is most important. I make a maintenance partition /dev/hda1, the boot loader partition /dev/hda2, and windoze on /dev/hda3.
Linux is my primary OS. I only use Windows for iPod and home banking. The only reason why I place Windows first is that I heard that what best for Windows.
I never give any OS more space than it should need. This means C: is a tiny partition that windoze apps that assume C: will fill up trying to install, one or two logical cylinders, or 7.8 or 15.9 MB (/dev/hda3). Then D: is the windoze OS partition, around 4 GB on /dev/hda8, after swap on /dev/hda5, / on /dev/hda6 & /home on /dev/hda7, as I like to keep the Linux partitions together. E: for windoze data would go last on /dev/hda8.
How do I create those Windrives (C:, E: E: etc)? From YaST or from Windows? Janus --- Roskilde University, Denmark. Department of Technology and Social Science. International Development Studies. ESST - Society, Science and Technology in Europe.
Janus Sandsgaard wrote:
On Saturday 10 July 2004 14:19, Felix Miata wrote:
Make /boot a 75MB primary instead. Then, put Grub on it instead of the MBR.
How do I do that?
Create the partition during advanced installation/partitioning, then choose it for boot loader location.
That way, if you ever need to reinstall windoze, after windoze makes its own primary active, preventing you from booting Linux, all you need do, which can be done with any of several DOS or windoze or Linux tools, is change the active partition back to /boot.
Is that an easier way that following the standard procedure suggested ny SUSE (boot in rescue mode etc)?
Much.
/swap swap 512 MB / ext3 10 GB /home ext3 50 GB
Is that OK?
/ really doesn't need to be so big for a typical installation. I've never installed "everything", so don't know if that might use it all up.
OK. Today my SuSE 9.0 system looks like this:
janus@sputnik:~> df -h Filsystem Størr Brugt Tilb Brug% Monteret på /dev/hda5 9,9G 5,1G 4,3G 55% / /dev/hda9 99M 8,3M 86M 9% /boot /dev/hda8 91G 20G 67G 23% /home /dev/hda6 2,6G 1,1G 1,5G 43% /var tmpfs 236M 0 236M 0% /dev/shm
/ and /var takes up around 6 GB. I guess you are right.
I never make windoze the first partition on a multiboot system just as a matter of principle. That's like saying what M$ wants is most important. I make a maintenance partition /dev/hda1, the boot loader partition /dev/hda2, and windoze on /dev/hda3.
Linux is my primary OS. I only use Windows for iPod and home banking. The only reason why I place Windows first is that I heard that what best for Windows.
It's a myth. All windoze wants is a visible active primary on the first disk, and with an advanced boot loader like Grub or Lilo, it is easily tricked into thinking it is getting what it wants when it is really getting what you want.
I never give any OS more space than it should need. This means C: is a tiny partition that windoze apps that assume C: will fill up trying to install, one or two logical cylinders, or 7.8 or 15.9 MB (/dev/hda3). Then D: is the windoze OS partition, around 4 GB on /dev/hda8, after swap on /dev/hda5, / on /dev/hda6 & /home on /dev/hda7, as I like to keep the Linux partitions together. E: for windoze data would go last on /dev/hda8.
How do I create those Windrives (C:, E: E: etc)? From YaST or from Windows?
How about DOS? http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ The best way is to use neither windoze nor Linux, but some tool that runs either from DOS or from some multiplicity of operating systems. I use DFSee: http://www.dfsee.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dfsee-support Read the link below as I wrote in my last response Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:19:48 -0400 to your post. -- "If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you;" Proverbs 9:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/partitioningindex.html
I need to repartition my hard disk, but need input on how to do it and what the different partitions are called in the disk tool in YaST (I still get a little confused about primary, extended and logical partitions). Also I would appreciate comments and suggestions, since this partition and installations needs to run fo a few fears.
It is a 160 GB and I need it for a dual boot machine (Linux and WinXP for a 40 GB iPod). I have something like this in mind:
"Primary partition":
WinXP NTFS 60 GB
"Extended partition" (with the following "logical partitions"):
/boot ext3 50 MB /swap swap 512 MB / ext3 10 GB /home ext3 50 GB
Is that OK? Do I use primary and extended in the right way – and what about the order of the partitions? Any othe comments?
I am considering dividing the Win-partition into two partitions – one for the OS and one for data (maybe in FAT32 format). How would such a partition table look like (would that demand one more primary partition)? Will I have to create the two Win partitions from YaST or from Windows?
Janus
-- Roskilde University, Denmark. Department of Technology and Social Science. International Development Studies. ESST - Society, Science and Technology in Europe. I think I'd swap the space between / & /boot, so / has what /boot now has & vice versa. Other than that, seems as if it'd be okay. -- ...CH "The more they over-think the plumbing,
On Saturday 10 July 2004 03:16, Janus Sandsgaard wrote: the easier it is to stop up the drain." Scotty
On Saturday 10 July 2004 09:45 am, C Hamel wrote:
On Saturday 10 July 2004 03:16, Janus Sandsgaard wrote:
I need to repartition my hard disk, but need input on how to do it and what the different partitions are called in the disk tool in YaST (I still get a little confused about primary, extended and logical partitions). Also I would appreciate comments and suggestions, since this partition and installations needs to run fo a few fears.
It is a 160 GB and I need it for a dual boot machine (Linux and WinXP for a 40 GB iPod). I have something like this in mind:
"Primary partition":
WinXP NTFS 60 GB
"Extended partition" (with the following "logical partitions"):
/boot ext3 50 MB /swap swap 512 MB / ext3 10 GB /home ext3 50 GB
Is that OK? Do I use primary and extended in the right way – and what about the order of the partitions? Any othe comments?
I am considering dividing the Win-partition into two partitions – one for the OS and one for data (maybe in FAT32 format). How would such a partition table look like (would that demand one more primary partition)? Will I have to create the two Win partitions from YaST or from Windows?
Janus
-- Roskilde University, Denmark. Department of Technology and Social Science. International Development Studies. ESST - Society, Science and Technology in Europe.
I think I'd swap the space between / & /boot, so / has what /boot now has & vice versa. Other than that, seems as if it'd be okay. --
Eh?? So you want / to have 50mb and /boot to have 10gb?? That's not going to work.... Perhaps you meant swapping /home and /. I wouldn't give more than 10gb to / (unless you have some *humongous* extra programs you are going to load up, and 2GB *could* be enough to start with on /home unless you have a lot of users or a lot of things (mp3?) you want to keep. But even then, it might be nice to make yet another partition for things like that... pictures, mp3's, etc.... a storage place for files like those. My $.02 And I wouldn't make /boot an ext3 disk but keep it ext2. No need for journaling on the /boot and it complicates things for rescue as well as just booting.
...CH "The more they over-think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." Scotty
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On Saturday 10 July 2004 14:17, Bruce Marshall wrote:
It is a 160 GB and I need it for a dual boot machine (Linux and WinXP for a 40 GB iPod). I have something like this in mind:
"Primary partition":
WinXP NTFS 60 GB
"Extended partition" (with the following "logical partitions"):
/boot ext3 50 MB /swap swap 512 MB / ext3 10 GB /home ext3 50 GB
Is that OK?
~ for the reason that M$ Format is not famous for respecting Partition-Boundaries. maybe it is best to use a Swap Partition as a 'Buffer' :- My idea ________ Primary /boot Primary /WinXP Primary Swap Primary Linux / then Logical Linux Logical Linux etcetera . . . maybe make as many 20 Gig Partitions as the HDisk will take ? -- best wishes ____________ sent on Linux ____________
Make a FAT 32 partition of 3 or 4 GB for transfer of files between Linux and Windows. It will make your life much easier, believe me. I wish I had, but I don't know how to do it with a fully formatted drive. --doug On Saturday 10 July 2004 04:16, Janus Sandsgaard wrote:
I need to repartition my hard disk, but need input on how to do it and what the different partitions are called in the disk tool in YaST (I still get a little confused about primary, extended and logical partitions). Also I would appreciate comments and suggestions, since this partition and installations needs to run fo a few fears.
It is a 160 GB and I need it for a dual boot machine (Linux and WinXP for a 40 GB iPod). I have something like this in mind:
"Primary partition":
WinXP NTFS 60 GB
"Extended partition" (with the following "logical partitions"):
/boot ext3 50 MB /swap swap 512 MB / ext3 10 GB /home ext3 50 GB
Is that OK? Do I use primary and extended in the right way – and what about the order of the partitions? Any othe comments?
I am considering dividing the Win-partition into two partitions – one for the OS and one for data (maybe in FAT32 format). How would such a partition table look like (would that demand one more primary partition)? Will I have to create the two Win partitions from YaST or from Windows?
Janus
-- Roskilde University, Denmark. Department of Technology and Social Science. International Development Studies. ESST - Society, Science and Technology in Europe.
On Saturday 10 July 2004 08:35 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Make a FAT 32 partition of 3 or 4 GB for transfer of files between Linux and Windows. It will make your life much easier, believe me. I wish I had, but I don't know how to do it with a fully formatted drive.
Doug, Go get RIP-10.iso READ THE README FIRST. Burn it to a cd. It will be bootable and has lotsa programs for messing with your disks. It has a graphical one that will let you resize your partitions easily. I recently did a resize on a Dell laptop with xp and it went easily, without a hitch. Richard
On Sunday 11 July 2004 7:52 am, Richard Atcheson wrote:
Go get RIP-10.iso READ THE README FIRST. Burn it to a cd. It will be bootable and has lotsa programs for messing with your disks. It has a graphical one that will let you resize your partitions easily. I recently did a resize on a Dell laptop with xp and it went easily, without a hitch. Richard
So, where does one get this 'RIP-10.iso' ? I tried googling but came up empty... Scott -- POPFile, the OpenSource EMail Classifier http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Linux 2.6.5-7.95-default x86_64
On Sunday 11 July 2004 04:34 pm, Scott Leighton wrote:
On Sunday 11 July 2004 7:52 am, Richard Atcheson wrote:
Go get RIP-10.iso READ THE README FIRST. Burn it to a cd. It will be bootable and has lotsa programs for messing with your disks. It has a graphical one that will let you resize your partitions easily. I recently did a resize on a Dell laptop with xp and it went easily, without a hitch. Richard
So, where does one get this 'RIP-10.iso' ? I tried googling but came up empty...
Scott
Right cheer: http://sunsite.rediris.es/sites2/ibiblio.org/linux/system/recovery/RIP-10.3.... richard
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