Tracker seems to be the gnome counter part to the nepomuck /anaconda trash on KDE4. Since it has a mess of dependencies as well i decided to disable its execution via $ chmod 000 /usr/lib/tracker-[a-z]* Its looks like that the GNOME and KDE are only usefull for single user/ single PC usage. Does somebody knows a GUI for Linux which does NOT introduces these indexing crap ? Tia Hajo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:58, Hans-Joachim Ehlers wrote:

Tracker seems to be the gnome counter part to the nepomuck /anaconda trash on KDE4. Since it has a mess of dependencies as well i decided to disable its execution via

$ chmod 000  /usr/lib/tracker-[a-z]*

Its looks like that the GNOME and KDE are only usefull for single user/ single PC usage. Does somebody knows a GUI for Linux which does NOT introduces these indexing crap ?

In KDE4, you can simply set the option to disable Nepomuk. It's on by default, but it's easy to switch off.. just a check box in the config, and it's off. You could easily propagate that option setting to all users if all users want to disable the feature. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 00:56, Thomas Taylor wrote:

C wrote:

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On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:58, Hans-Joachim Ehlers wrote:

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Tracker seems to be the gnome counter part to the nepomuck /anaconda trash on KDE4. Since it has a mess of dependencies as well i decided to disable its execution via

$ chmod 000  /usr/lib/tracker-[a-z]*

Its looks like that the GNOME and KDE are only usefull for single user/ single PC usage. Does somebody knows a GUI for Linux which does NOT introduces these indexing crap ?

In KDE4, you can simply set the option to disable Nepomuk.  It's on by default, but it's easy to switch off.. just a check box in the config, and it's off.  You could easily propagate that option setting to all users if all users want to disable the feature.

C.

Disabling Nepomuk does not affect tracker.  In addition to other responses you can also go into Yast(2) under "Softwarw Management" and de-install tracker and all its dependencies.

.... I'm not that dumb... the OP commented on both KDE and Gnome... I presented a possible solution for KDE. When you use KDE, and you decide you do not want desktop indexing, disabling or turning off the indexer is a simple config change in the KDE setup.... C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 03/13/2012 11:47 AM, Lars Müller wrote:

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:58:36AM +0100, Hans-Joachim Ehlers wrote:

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Tracker seems to be the gnome counter part to the nepomuck /anaconda trash on KDE4. Since it has a mess of dependencies as well i decided to disable its execution via

$ chmod 000 /usr/lib/tracker-[a-z]*

This is the wrong approach. Guess an update has to be published and then the tracker stuff is back.

zypper rm $( rpm -qf /usr/lib/tracker-[a-z]*)

sound like the better approach to me. If /usr/lib/tracker-[a-z]* files are available.

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Its looks like that the GNOME and KDE are only usefull for single user/ single PC usage. Does somebody knows a GUI for Linux which does NOT introduces these indexing crap ?

As others have written: disable the indexing 'feature'. I don't get why it is enabled by default. But I'm not a GUI developer.

I was able to just do this: #rpm -qa | grep tracker | xargs rpm -e and I had no dependency issues. Probably depends on what you have installed though. Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:39:40 -0400 Larry Stotler wrote:

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Lars Müller wrote:

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As others have written: disable the indexing 'feature'.  I don't get why it is enabled by default.  But I'm not a GUI developer.

Because everyone "needs" a desktop search tool.

Actually the only those that "use" desktop "need" desktop search, all other need it (without quotes). Quantity of information that users handle today is huge and manual indexing overhead is not something that users have to take as normal. What for we have computer, if it will not help with indexing and search.

That's why when I work on a windows machine I have to disable/remove Windows Search, Google Desktop, Roxio's search, Nero's search, etc, before the machine is usable. My customers are like, WOW! It's fast now...... When I tell them I removed it, they are like, "yeah, I never used it."

I have no customers, but only friends, that installed all possible searches, desktop searches and internet browser bars as "free" add-on to some software they are interested in. They are equally surprised when such tools are reduced to one. Browsing is all of the sudden fast, when N+1 competing applications do not check web page that user wants to see and contact their homes over the Internet for add-on content. It is also pretty sure that main purpose of such applications is not desktop search and help to user, otherwise they will not stack one over the other, as they do, and slow down browsing. Comparing above with single desktop search, that doesn't have other home then your computer and no other purpose then to help you find information, is mixing apples and oranges.

We had this issue with that useless "beagle" years ago & it hasn't had a stable release in over 3 years.

Beagle's developers were C# skilled, which means not many and not with deep knowledge of Linux, which was demonstrated in few bugs. In attempt to create universal desktop search they did not take care to integrate Beagle in any particular desktop. It was strange application to any of them.

I can't imagine that more than 5% of users every even use a desktop search tool much less find it useful on a regular basis. But heaven forbid it not be included.

Desktop search this days, unlike Beagle times, is used without explicitly calling some search application. It is embedded in Main Menu Search, application starter (Alt+F2), and also in process of file metadata indexing and presentation in file managers and other applications. So, you can't say it is not used, but you are right that no more than 5% will be able to say they use desktop search if not asked for each specific desktop function where indexing and search are involved. Of course, all those that will follow on removing desktop search unconditionally will be able to say they don't use it, but that will be on their expense. They will have to remember where are all those files they acquired trough the time, and they will have to use explicitly applications to see, for instance, image or music file metadata. Also, I'm not happy with bugs, or with settings that are repeating the worst of Beagle's, like full throttle indexing that could be completely irrelevant for activity that I perform at the same moment, but for that I don't recommend each and every user to remove desktop search. It is past time that was sound advice. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2012-03-14 at 10:44 +0100, Hans-Joachim Ehlers wrote:

So these tools are NOT a solution for managing data. For that we would need a object oriented file system or at least a service approach meaning that we have a service ( Off by default but configurable from GUI frontend ) where applications can query this service OVER the network.

Ok, you have exactly that; except it is on by default because there is no reason to have it off.

And of course the data is NOT stored in a DB which is even a SINGLE file.* Such a service would scale from a local PC ( Standard Linux Environment Implementations ) to large networks. I think its already exist and it is called "search engine".

You are changing the use-case. Tracker is, and Beagle was, a *desktop* search tool. And you are wrong that you can't access Tracker, and that you couldn't access Beagle, over the network. Both are possible and work, or worked, well. I used Beagle via it's *HTTP INTERFACE*; it worked really well and was my browser's home page for years. -- System & Network Administrator [ LPI & NCLA ] http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com OpenGroupware Developer http://www.opengroupware.us Adam Tauno Williams -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2012-03-13 at 11:58 +0100, Hans-Joachim Ehlers wrote:

Tracker seems to be the gnome counter part to the nepomuck /anaconda trash on KDE4. Since it has a mess of dependencies as well i decided to disable its execution via $ chmod 000 /usr/lib/tracker-[a-z]* Its looks like that the GNOME and KDE are only usefull for single user/ single PC usage. Does somebody knows a GUI for Linux which does NOT introduces these indexing crap ?

Just "rm /etc/xdg/autostart/tracker-store.desktop" - And it won't start. Whaking the permissions of files in system folders is a bad idea. I have no idea what "Its looks like that the GNOME and KDE are only usefull for single user/ single PC usage"; I don't see how that applies to tracker at all. -- System & Network Administrator [ LPI & NCLA ] http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com OpenGroupware Developer http://www.opengroupware.us Adam Tauno Williams -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 16:20 +0100, Hans-Joachim Ehlers wrote:

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Tracker seems to be the gnome counter part to the nepomuck /anaconda trash on KDE4. Since it has a mess of dependencies as well i decided to disable its execution via $ chmod 000 /usr/lib/tracker-[a-z]* Its looks like that the GNOME and KDE are only usefull for single user/ single PC usage. Does somebody knows a GUI for Linux which does NOT introduces these indexing crap ? Just "rm /etc/xdg/autostart/tracker-store.desktop" - And it won't start. Sorry bu imho you are incorrect. It won't start during login but would not prevent other applications to start tracker and what ever search tool is installed. Install the GNOME file manager and you will see.

Nope, nautilus does not use Tracker search. The only integration between nautilus and tracker is the ability to tag files; this is provided by the nautilus-extension-tracker-tags package (which can easily be removed, although I see no point, it doesn't stop nautilus from working if tracker is not active). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org