[opensuse] applications looking drastically different under GNOME vs KDE
Hi all, I've got an OpenSuSE 11.1 box on which I used to log in under KDE 4 for quite some time. Now I tried GNOME... and some things, like Yast2, for instance, look drastically different. Why would that be? Is there a good rationale (or any rationale, for that matter) behind that practice? By the way, GNOME seems to be more responsive than KDE 4 though there are still some issues to be worked out. Does anybody else feel that way - or is it just me? Any comment on the above much welcome. Thanks. Boris. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-02-03 21:59, Boris Epstein wrote:
Hi all,
I've got an OpenSuSE 11.1 box on which I used to log in under KDE 4 for quite some time. Now I tried GNOME... and some things, like Yast2, for instance, look drastically different.
Why would that be? Is there a good rationale (or any rationale, for that matter) behind that practice?
Why? Because Yast has three different frontends, and perhaps more than that, depending on the desktop. You can force one or the other - for example: yast2 --qt
By the way, GNOME seems to be more responsive than KDE 4 though there are still some issues to be worked out. Does anybody else feel that way - or is it just me?
Yes, I do. It has always been so, specially on slower machines. It probably has to do with kde being made with C++, and gnome with plain C. I understand that much work has gone into the C++ compiler optimization, precisely because of this problem. Then, kde4 has been modernized a lot, lots of improvements "for show", while gnome hasn't - yet. You should, perhaps, compare it with kde3. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 "Emerald" GM (bombadillo)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAktp7n0ACgkQU92UU+smfQUegwCcCFj04h3hui56WVtBm97wHzKu yQ4AnjVC8IzhqD9LFY8gYxS6O7k8sM7t =/hbc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 03 of February 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-02-03 21:59, Boris Epstein wrote:
Hi all,
I've got an OpenSuSE 11.1 box on which I used to log in under KDE 4 for quite some time. Now I tried GNOME... and some things, like Yast2, for instance, look drastically different.
Why would that be? Is there a good rationale (or any rationale, for that matter) behind that practice?
KDE and GNOME have different ideas on what a good desktop looks like. And applications that try to integrate well with both of the desktops so that they do not look out of the place then also have to look differently as a consequence.
By the way, GNOME seems to be more responsive than KDE 4 though there are still some issues to be worked out. Does anybody else feel that way - or is it just me?
Yes, I do. It has always been so, specially on slower machines. It probably has to do with kde being made with C++, and gnome with plain C. I understand that much work has gone into the C++ compiler optimization, precisely because of this problem.
Please do not spread these myths. The performance depends on the setup and usage. Just like you find GNOME/Gtk do better than KDE/Qt there can be found enough people who'd swear GNOME/Gtk is too slow for them and KDE/Qt just flies. The difference between C and C++ or the quality of the compiler is usually also not the deciding factor (for example get somewhat older nvidia drivers and watch KDE crawl on some systems, or get [also somewhat older I believe] Gtk file open dialog and watch it crawl while opening /usr/bin). -- Lubos Lunak openSUSE Boosters team, KDE developer l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2010-02-04 at 11:58 +0100, Lubos Lunak wrote:
On Wednesday 03 of February 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote:
By the way, GNOME seems to be more responsive than KDE 4 though there are still some issues to be worked out. Does anybody else feel that way - or is it just me?
Yes, I do. It has always been so, specially on slower machines. It probably has to do with kde being made with C++, and gnome with plain C. I understand that much work has gone into the C++ compiler optimization, precisely because of this problem.
Please do not spread these myths. The performance depends on the setup and usage. Just like you find GNOME/Gtk do better than KDE/Qt there can be found enough people who'd swear GNOME/Gtk is too slow for them and KDE/Qt just flies. The difference between C and C++ or the quality of the compiler is usually also not the deciding factor (for example get somewhat older nvidia drivers and watch KDE crawl on some systems, or get [also somewhat older I believe] Gtk file open dialog and watch it crawl while opening /usr/bin).
It is not a myth. Same machine, both kde and gnome installed since about SuSE 5.3, several machines. Gnome was a bit faster on all cases, specially on slow machines with little memory, perhaps simply because gnome had a smaller footprint. Not really gnome or kde, but the apps I used on top, like staroffice, netscape, etc. And xfce was faster than both. In my case, it is not a myth, but what I experienced. It may be that my newer machine behaves differently, I don't know yet. Others may have different experiences, but that doesn't make mine "a myth" :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAktrMwUACgkQtTMYHG2NR9USsQCfUbqZiqaJ5e1PeX02fhPR0EzL 5dsAn2wgcKOeHATQ1xAaqN8UWFnmkBcw =ZL63 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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