Marcus Meissner wrote:

My crystall ball tells me he ran "su" instead of "su -".

yes, but I do this on suse for years, now, without problem. jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr

I define the problem. Usually, on suse distro I used to go admin by "su", never a problem (for example on my 9.0 server). on beta2, it's necessary to use "su -" not necessary a bug, it's a common practice, but it's a change. For example, with "su", I could not run yast (this was why I found the problem, I could not beleive yast was not here :-) how could web know if it's a change or a bug?? jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr

Christoph Thiel wrote:

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005, jdd wrote:

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how could web know if it's a change or a bug??

It's an intended change.

it's good. usual practice. should be said anywhere, because it's a hard change :-) thanks jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr

jdd writes:

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it's good. usual practice. should be said anywhere, done

http://www.opensuse.org/index.php/Super_User_new_flavor

Thanks - it's also discussed in the Release-Notes and the manual ;) BTW, the manual (both of them actually) are accessible as part of "susehelp". Please, give it a try! The package name is: suselinux-manual_en - translations are in the works. Karl -- Key fingerprint = B2A3 AF2F CFC8 40B1 67EA 475A 5903 A21B 06EB 882E

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, jdd wrote:

is the suse 10.0 manual part of the beta process (I missed this point)? it may have a much harder release roadmap

Yes indeed, the roadmap of the manuals tells that they are now at translation. The only thing we could do, is setup a wiki page with errors or improvements. Changes to the manuals are not possible anymore. Berthold -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Berthold Gunreben SUSE Linux GmbH -- Dokumentation mailto:bg@suse.de Maxfeldstr. 5 http://www.suse.de/ D-90409 Nuernberg, Germany

Jana Jaeger wrote:

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Berthold Gunreben wrote:

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is the suse 10.0 manual part of the beta process (I missed this point)? it may have a much harder release roadmap Yes indeed, the roadmap of the manuals tells that they are now at

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, jdd wrote: translation. The only thing we could do, is setup a wiki page with errors or improvements. Changes to the manuals are not possible anymore.

even nicer than a wiki page IMHO: Bugs filed against the "Documentation" component in Bugzilla. Bugzilla entries are easier to track than a wiki page that's constantly evolving.

Yes. However, in my experience, suse is very good regarding the manuals. I cried, some years ago, when suse stopped translating it's manual to french and issued a Yeppee when Novell did it again. The manual itself gives value to the box (online manuals are never as good as paper ones, even if they are the same :-) jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr

El Lunes, 22 de Agosto de 2005 19:35, houghi escribió:

On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 03:31:00PM +0200, jdd wrote:

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I cried, some years ago, when suse stopped translating it's manual to french and issued a Yeppee when Novell did it again.

I cried when I saw the English 'translations' a few years ago and issued a Yeppee because I speak German and could understand it. :-)

Much better now. Must say I have not really looked at the manuals anymore. Is there a reason that the HTML version is not online, but the pdf's are? HTML online makes much, much more sence. Could they be put up on openSUSE?

The manuals are available in "/usr/share/doc/manual". I also have mirrored the spanish versions: http://www.polinux.upv.es/~vfernandez/suse/manuales/suselinux-adminguide-9.2... http://www.polinux.upv.es/~vfernandez/suse/manuales/suselinux-userguide-9.2-... Anyone is free to do the same with the other languages, since the license explicitly allows to freely redistribute it as long as you don't remove the copyright note. If I don't remember bad, the english version is available at Novell's website. Not easy to find but it's there. Google will likely be helpful. -- Víctor Fernández Martínez Gabinete de prensa de PoLinux [www.polinux.upv.es]. Usuario de Linux registrado #312284 en http://counter.li.org.

El Martes, 23 de Agosto de 2005 01:22, houghi escribió:

The 9.3 is only available as pdf not as HTML and it would be nice to have the HTML version if you have problems installing YAST. Why not have them at Novell? It can't create that much extra traffic.

Are you sure? I have Suse 9.3 and the HTML files are just there in /usr/share/doc/manual. # rpm -qa | grep suselinux suselinux-userguide_es-9.3-4 suselinux-adminguide_es-9.3-4.3 # ls -l /usr/share/doc/manual/suselinux-userguide_es/html/*.html | wc -l 132 # -- Víctor Fernández Martínez Gabinete de prensa de PoLinux [www.polinux.upv.es]. Usuario de Linux registrado #312284 en http://counter.li.org.

El Martes, 23 de Agosto de 2005 03:37, houghi escribió:

On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 03:14:36AM +0200, Víctor Fernández Martínez wrote:

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Are you sure? I have Suse 9.3 and the HTML files are just there in /usr/share/doc/manual.

Sorry, I seem not to have been clear.

Ok, no problem.

I ment to say that only online at Novell they have the pdf version and it would be nice to have the HTML online at Novell or openSUSE as well.

I agree. But at least someone might mirror it. -- Víctor Fernández Martínez Gabinete de prensa de PoLinux [www.polinux.upv.es]. Usuario de Linux registrado #312284 en http://counter.li.org.

Jana Jaeger wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, houghi wrote:

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Sorry, I seem not to have been clear. I ment to say that only online at Novell they have the pdf version and it would be nice to have the HTML online at Novell or openSUSE as well.

this was a tools issue for 9.3 which is fixed now - 10.0 will have HTML online at www.novell.com/documentation just as well.

the 10.0 manuals are avilable on rpm form on the mirrors, for example at ftp://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/mirrors/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-current/ inst-source/suse/noarch/suselinux-manual.... jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr