Ok well, I should read how to configure Thunderbird then, but I am using KDE (though it doesn't matter for Thunderbird, I guess...) Thanks. -- Regards, PM Mathematics Coach at IIT Trainings --------------------------------------- Open source: It sets us free Hope, like faith, is nothing if it is not courageous; it is nothing if it is not ridiculous. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin said the following on 11/23/2011 08:30 AM:

On 24/11/11 00:23, PM wrote:

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Ok well, I should read how to configure Thunderbird then, but I am using KDE (though it doesn't matter for Thunderbird, I guess...)

Thanks.

Yes it matters not for Thunderbird that you are using KDE :-) .

Configuring TB is simple, but you will need to know the name(s) of the server(s) your ISP uses for the incoming and outgoing mail; you should get this from your ISP's site.

All of which you would have to do if you used KMail (or Evolution or some other mailer) ... -- Information is the currency of democracy. --Thomas Jefferson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/23/2011 02:37 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

Basil Chupin said the following on 11/23/2011 08:30 AM:

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On 24/11/11 00:23, PM wrote:

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Ok well, I should read how to configure Thunderbird then, but I am using KDE (though it doesn't matter for Thunderbird, I guess...)

Thanks. Yes it matters not for Thunderbird that you are using KDE :-) .

Configuring TB is simple, but you will need to know the name(s) of the server(s) your ISP uses for the incoming and outgoing mail; you should get this from your ISP's site. All of which you would have to do if you used KMail (or Evolution or some other mailer) ...

All I had todo with thunderbird is give it my e-mail address and the password. It did everything else. I didn't need to know anything about my ISP. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 23.11.2011 15:29, schrieb Basil Chupin:

On 24/11/11 01:22, lynn wrote:

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On 11/23/2011 02:37 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Basil Chupin said the following on 11/23/2011 08:30 AM:

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On 24/11/11 00:23, PM wrote:

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Ok well, I should read how to configure Thunderbird then, but I am using KDE (though it doesn't matter for Thunderbird, I guess...)

Thanks. Yes it matters not for Thunderbird that you are using KDE :-) .

Configuring TB is simple, but you will need to know the name(s) of the server(s) your ISP uses for the incoming and outgoing mail; you should get this from your ISP's site. All of which you would have to do if you used KMail (or Evolution or some other mailer) ...

All I had todo with thunderbird is give it my e-mail address and the password. It did everything else. I didn't need to know anything about my ISP. L x

Interesting.... You didn't have to configure the Server Settings for incoming/outgoing mail?

Thunderbird contains a feature to ask a central database and a server @mozilla to figure out your server settings based on email address. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 15:29, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 24/11/11 01:22, lynn wrote:

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Configuring TB is simple, but you will need to know the name(s) of the server(s) your ISP uses for the incoming and outgoing mail; you should get this from your ISP's site.

All of which you would have to do if you used KMail (or Evolution or some other mailer) ...

All I had todo with thunderbird is give it my e-mail address and the password. It did everything else. I didn't need to know anything about my ISP. L x

Interesting.... You didn't have to configure the Server Settings for incoming/outgoing mail?

If your mail provider uses "standard" POP3/IMAP configurations, it can sort out/detect for you. It does a good job as long as things are "predictable". It needs a little manual nudging if for example your user name is different than your email name... or your ISP uses non-standard ports, server names etc. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 10:10 -0500, James Knott wrote:

C wrote:

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If your mail provider uses "standard" POP3/IMAP configurations, it can sort out/detect for you. It does a good job as long as things are "predictable". It needs a little manual nudging if for example your user name is different than your email name... or your ISP uses non-standard ports, server names etc. One thing I don't like about thunderbird, is it won't let you create an email account on the local computer. In Seamonkey, I can set up a Unix Mailspool account, to receive system mail.

You can do that in Evolution too; for either mbox or maildir. In addition to having excellent IMAP support including IDLE support. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

(CCing ATW for some gnome info, see below) On Wednesday 23 November 2011 10:24:32 PM wrote:

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Adam Tauno Williams

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You can do that in Evolution too; for either mbox or maildir. In addition to having excellent IMAP support including IDLE support.

I searched in YaST -> Online Update -> Evolution (as search query) and it says that 'evolution - The Integrated GNOME Mail, Calendar, and Address Book Suite', but as I am using KDE in 12.1 opensuse, I guess I should go with Thunderbird, since (as just a guess......) that Evolution could be better integrated with Gnome as the YaST itself says!

You should be able to use Evolution just fine under KDE if that's your cup of tea. We've added GTK theming packages to make GNOME apps look like native KDE. The old arguments that you should stick to one desktop or software toolkit's 'stack' to save memory have in practice gone out of the window on anything bigger than a cheap netbook, and nowadays most people run Firefox or Chrome/ium as a browser as well as LibreOffice which each pull in a metric shedload of custom widgets and runtime stuff anyway, dispelling the illusion of a pure stack of one sort or another. The one heavy thing which you may not need with Evo on KDE which I expect Evo to pull in is Tracker, but I'm sure Adam can tell you whether Evo depends upon Tracker nowaways. If you are *not* going to use KMail/KAddressbook/KOrganizer you should take time to shut down their middleware for good. It isn't started by default but you might add an applet or something that would start it and then it is just overhead and more elegant to put it to bed. To do this, edit (or create) ~/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc and add/edit it so these lines are present. [QMYSQL] StartServer=true HTH Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 21:18 +0100, Will Stephenson wrote:

The one heavy thing which you may not need with Evo on KDE which I expect Evo to pull in is Tracker, but I'm sure Adam can tell you whether Evo depends upon Tracker nowaways.

Evolution does not depend on tracker; the tracker plugin can be disabled. The plugin is the tracker-miner-evolution so you can not install or uninstall that. Even if installed you can disable the plugin in Evolution's preferences. [KDE doesn't use Tracker? I find that suprising since Zeitgeist and friends are cross-desktop solutions - I thought the Zeitgeist had Tracker integration.]. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:44:03 PM Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 21:18 +0100, Will Stephenson wrote:

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You should be able to use Evolution just fine under KDE if that's your cup of tea. We've added GTK theming packages to make GNOME apps look like native KDE.

This (look and feel of these apps under KDE) is not working for me on openSUSE 12.1. The fonts in evolution seem independent of anything I do. See my parallel thread about ugly fonts.

-- Roger Oberholtzer GAH! Its caused by GTK3. The current oxygen-gtk plug doesn't work and needs an additional RPM. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Ind. Repairs and Consulting **Looking for a C++ etc. mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 23.11.2011 16:10, schrieb James Knott:

C wrote:

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If your mail provider uses "standard" POP3/IMAP configurations, it can sort out/detect for you. It does a good job as long as things are "predictable". It needs a little manual nudging if for example your user name is different than your email name... or your ISP uses non-standard ports, server names etc.

One thing I don't like about thunderbird, is it won't let you create an email account on the local computer. In Seamonkey, I can set up a Unix Mailspool account, to receive system mail. I don't seem to be able to in Thunderbird.

You still can AFAICS. Use "Other account" instead of "Mail account" and you should find Unix Mailspool as an option. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/23/2011 10:26 AM, Bob Williams wrote:

On 23/11/11 15:14, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

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Am 23.11.2011 16:10, schrieb James Knott:

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C wrote:

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If your mail provider uses "standard" POP3/IMAP configurations, it can sort out/detect for you. It does a good job as long as things are "predictable". It needs a little manual nudging if for example your user name is different than your email name... or your ISP uses non-standard ports, server names etc.

One thing I don't like about thunderbird, is it won't let you create an email account on the local computer. In Seamonkey, I can set up a Unix Mailspool account, to receive system mail. I don't seem to be able to in Thunderbird. You still can AFAICS. Use "Other account" instead of "Mail account" and you should find Unix Mailspool as an option.

Yes, I have a localhost account running in Tbird 8 here, where I receive all the system mail.

Bob I use Thunderbird on the daily bases and I find it far superior to Kmail in many respects... But as someone once told me: "if it comes shipped by default, let's try making it better?" My 2 c

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On Thursday 24 November 2011 01:29:23 Basil Chupin wrote:

On 24/11/11 01:22, lynn wrote:

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All I had todo with thunderbird is give it my e-mail address and the password. It did everything else. I didn't need to know anything about my ISP. L x

Interesting.... You didn't have to configure the Server Settings for incoming/outgoing mail?

KMail has a good go at guessing these now too. Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:35 AM, lynn wrote:

If the op needs any more help, I don't mind deleting one of my accounts and recreating it to retrace the steps.

That would be an advantage for me, if you do so, thanks. -- Regards, PM Mathematics Coach at IIT Trainings --------------------------------------- Open source: It sets us free Hope, like faith, is nothing if it is not courageous; it is nothing if it is not ridiculous. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/23/2011 09:29 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 24/11/11 01:22, lynn wrote:

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On 11/23/2011 02:37 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Basil Chupin said the following on 11/23/2011 08:30 AM:

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On 24/11/11 00:23, PM wrote:

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Ok well, I should read how to configure Thunderbird then, but I am using KDE (though it doesn't matter for Thunderbird, I guess...)

Thanks. Yes it matters not for Thunderbird that you are using KDE :-) .

Configuring TB is simple, but you will need to know the name(s) of the server(s) your ISP uses for the incoming and outgoing mail; you should get this from your ISP's site. All of which you would have to do if you used KMail (or Evolution or some other mailer) ...

All I had todo with thunderbird is give it my e-mail address and the password. It did everything else. I didn't need to know anything about my ISP. L x

Interesting.... You didn't have to configure the Server Settings for incoming/outgoing mail?

BC

I didn't either, and I just set up a number of Linux distros and used Thunderbird. The latest T/B version seems to know how to do this. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wednesday, November 23, 2011 08:23:36 AM PM wrote:

Ok well, I should read how to configure Thunderbird then, but I am using KDE (though it doesn't matter for Thunderbird, I guess...)

Thanks. The new KMail is a bit rough still. They did some major changes. Thunderbird is fast and reliable, and easy. I personally use KMail, but thats because I don't mind finding ways to work around its bugs. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Ind. Repairs and Consulting **Looking for a C++ etc. mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 16:05 +0100, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

Am 23.11.2011 15:44, schrieb Will Stephenson:

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On Wednesday 23 November 2011 07:55:58 PM wrote:

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I have installed openSUSE 12.1 and looks better than Windows. Should I use Kmail or Thunderbird as the mail client in openSUSE 12.1 so that once I am confirmed, I go to the docs of that one only. My advice (as a KMail maintainer at openSUSE) is: This yells for my comments as Thunderbird maintainer at openSUSE ;-)

Use Evolution -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:

My advice (as a KMail maintainer at openSUSE) is:

If you are using POP mail or local filtering, use Thunderbird. There are some regression bugs in KMail2 with mail duplication with POP and local filtering.

If you are using IMAP mail [with serverside filtering] use KMail, but don't use the automatic migration from an earlier version, set up KMail in 12.1 from scratch.  The migration mostly fails.

It's just as easy to reconfigure KMail from scratch as it is to start afresh with Thunderbird and it doesn't cost you learning a new mailer's quirks, keyboard shortcuts etc.

Well, I have to use only the gmail address (like: myname@gmail.com). I don't know if it is IMAP or POP or both or what...(I would see the difference) but as it is to use the client, so I am intended to use it, however, it would be for the first time, I would use any mail client, fortunately in Linux too! So okay I try with Thunderbird and integrate my gmail account there... Someone suggested a good point: trying both, but I guess as majority of the people go with Thunderbird, so do I....... -- Regards, PM Mathematics Coach at IIT Trainings --------------------------------------- Open source: It sets us free Hope, like faith, is nothing if it is not courageous; it is nothing if it is not ridiculous. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:19:30 +0530, lynn wrote:

Will, There's another problem with kmail that I find frustrating: Kwallet for storing passwords It's a great idea but for me it always asks for my password to enter the wallet and then it still asks me for the password for each e-mail account there is. Ahhgghh!

that means there's something wrong with your kwallet and/or kmail. after you tell it to store the pwd. for each email account, it shouldn't ask again, and for me it doesn't. re. kwallet password, i specified a blank password for kwallet, since i'm the only user on my desktop. that makes life very easy: no password to provide at all. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:33:30 +0530, Ed Greshko wrote: On 11/23/2011 08:55 PM, PM wrote: I have installed openSUSE 12.1 and looks better than Windows. Should I use Kmail or Thunderbird as the mail client in openSUSE 12.1 so that once I am confirmed, I go to the docs of that one only. *You* should try both and then decide for yourself. If I tell you to use one over the other and then you ultimately decide you don't like it you'll blame me. and if you use IMAP instead of POP, you can try both at the same time, leaving your emails on the server and looking at them with both clients. -- phani. PS: sorry for the private mail to ed greshko; was an accident :( -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 23 Nov 2011 12:51:41 doug wrote:

Several suse's ago, I was using KMail, and I found that every so often-- perhaps one in 15 messages or so--the mail arrived from a known American source but printed in some Asian font that could not ever be turned back into readable material. I had to get rid of KMail, and I have never looked back.

I hope they have fixed this, but, as I say, I have never looked back.

You know what I'm going to ask... was the bug reported? Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin said the following on 11/23/2011 02:20 PM:

If there is any chance you will use windows again, use Thunderbird, you can easily transfer your mail setup from Linux -> Win -> Linux with mozilla. You can do it in a round-about way with kmail, but with the current state of flux in kmail development, it would be wise to stick with mozilla for now.

I made the decision a while ago to have a machine acting as a mail gateway/hub 'at home', much the way that corporation have a Microsoft Exchange server handling the mail for a department or site. And yes, David, I can run other collaborative tools on it :-) That hub has a Dovecot server that handles email. All email stays on the server and I read it via IMAP. At home I read it via IMAP on the home LAN; outside I read it via an encrypted version of IMAP using TLS etc etc etc. As such it really doesn't matter what mail reader I use or what machine I use it from. My complaint with Mail is that nepomuk indexes the mail if I use Kmail. WHY?!? Dovecot has already indexed it! I can tell Dovecot to search. So I disable nepomuk. The thing about Thunderbird is that if you want something fancy its available as a plugin. Many of the plugins are useful and would be useful for Kmail. Of course if you don't want them you don't install them :-) Sadly the code to use nepomuk is not a plugin and you are stuck with it. If you install Kmail you have to install nepomuk even if you won't use it. If I was a programmer I'd set up a OBS of KDE4-without-nepomuk. The be fair, that not the only thing that should be done with a plugin but isn't. The settings in /etc/nsswitch determine things like UID->name mapping. There is a library call for this: getpwent(). See 'man nsswitch.conf' Now why is this no implemented as a plugin? Why must getpwent() and its relatives have all the various nsswitch options HARD CODED in? As a result you HAVE to load all the LDAP and NIS even if you don't use them Ironically the man age for nsswitch says: "With Solaris, it isn't possible to link programs using the NSS Service statically. With Linux, this is no problem." Yes, its not statically compiled, but it is statically bound. -- All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. -- Galileo Galilei. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thursday, November 24, 2011 12:28:58 AM Myrosia Dzikovska wrote:

One thing that hasn't shown up on the thread here: how much do you care for the ease of use with your email address book? I am a long-term KMail user. Recently, getting KMail to do a very simple thing: set up an address book, add contacts from your messages, then use those contacts in auto-complete - has been a real pain. You have to read multiple pages of documentation, trying to wade through lots of new concepts and terminology (what is Akonadi? Nepomuk? Resources? Why do some address book formats work as expected and some don't? Why doesn't it work on with AFS or NFS home directories?) Getting the most basic functionality to work took me a couple of days, which was way excessive from my point of view. There are other obscure interface features as well, such as the need to set the default dictionary separately for each identity, regardless of the global language settings.

Myrosia For being largely rewritten, its been pretty painless for me. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Ind. Repairs and Consulting **Looking for a C++ etc. mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org