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I am very much ignorant about linux and openSuse, just installed it on a separate computer, (just in case I burn the house - (windows-xp)-down First about modems, I have an Agere LT Winmodem and an external US Robotics 56K USB fax model modem. Either one don't seem to respond. Question Which one would I need to buy for the beast. John A -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
You should be able to use the US Robotics, what are you doing that you
say that It doesn't respond...
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 3:39 PM, John Heinen
I am very much ignorant about linux and openSuse, just installed it on a separate computer, (just in case I burn the house - (windows-xp)-down First about modems, I have an Agere LT Winmodem and an external US Robotics 56K USB fax model modem. Either one don't seem to respond. Question Which one would I need to buy for the beast. John A -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 4:39 PM, John Heinen
I am very much ignorant about linux and openSuse, just installed it on a separate computer, (just in case I burn the house - (windows-xp)-down First about modems, I have an Agere LT Winmodem and an external US Robotics 56K USB fax model modem. Either one don't seem to respond. Question Which one would I need to buy for the beast. John A
John, It has been years since I worked with modems so take what I say with a grain of salt. (I used to be very knowledgeable about them.) Historically (10 years ago), the Winmodem types were not supported because they needed a proprietary driver to work, and none of the manufacturers provided linux drivers. The good news is that your US Robotics modem should work. Yours is a USB based model which I've never used, but the US Robotics 56K serial port models worked quite nicely even 10 or 12 years ago. I would try a little harder to get that one working. If you do decide to buy a new modem, then I would look for a traditional external serial port model (rs-232). Personally I used to like US Robotics, so I would buy this one: http://www.usr.com/products/modem/modem-product.asp?sku=USR5686E Be advised that you need to provide you own RS-232 cable. They come in lots of varieties, but you should be able to find one that is meant to go from PC to Modem. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Heinen wrote:
I am very much ignorant about linux and openSuse, just installed it on a separate computer, (just in case I burn the house - (windows-xp)-down First about modems, I have an Agere LT Winmodem and an external US Robotics 56K USB fax model modem. Either one don't seem to respond.
Any external modem should work without problem, because it's an actual modem, not a glorified sound-card with telephone jacks needing special code to make it behave as a modem. You will *NOT* see your external modem showing up as a device. Why? Because it doesn't need device drivers -- any program which uses it will operate the modem for you
Question Which one would I need to buy for the beast.
External modems are superior, as they self-contained devices which "just work" ... you can even hook them up to a dumb ascii terminal, or a paper teletype from the 1960's, and they will do exactly what you expect them to do.
John A
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John Heinen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
I am very much ignorant about linux and openSuse, just installed it on a separate computer, (just in case I burn the house - (windows-xp)-down First about modems, I have an Agere LT Winmodem and an external US Robotics 56K USB fax model modem. Either one don't seem to respond. Question Which one would I need to buy for the beast. John A
Welcome to openSUSE and the best place to find support for it. The US Robotics you have should work fine. But if you need to buy another one stay away from the win-modems as they won't work. There is a program called seyon that you can use to talk to the modem to see if it is working. Use the Program Manager part of YaST to install it. It has been too long since I needed a modem to help much more. Good luck. Oh, and please only reply to the list. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ken Schneider wrote:
John Heinen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
I am very much ignorant about linux and openSuse, just installed it on a separate computer, (just in case I burn the house - (windows-xp)-down First about modems, I have an Agere LT Winmodem and an external US Robotics 56K USB fax model modem. Either one don't seem to respond. Question Which one would I need to buy for the beast. John A
Welcome to openSUSE and the best place to find support for it. The US Robotics you have should work fine. But if you need to buy another one stay away from the win-modems as they won't work. There is a program called seyon that you can use to talk to the modem to see if it is working. Use the Program Manager part of YaST to install it. It has been too long since I needed a modem to help much more.
Good luck.
Oh, and please only reply to the list.
Ken What does that mean to the list, respond to the first one responding? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Heinen wrote:
Ken Schneider wrote:
John Heinen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
I am very much ignorant about linux and openSuse, just installed it on a separate computer, (just in case I burn the house - (windows-xp)-down First about modems, I have an Agere LT Winmodem and an external US Robotics 56K USB fax model modem. Either one don't seem to respond. Question Which one would I need to buy for the beast. John A
Welcome to openSUSE and the best place to find support for it. The US Robotics you have should work fine. But if you need to buy another one stay away from the win-modems as they won't work. There is a program called seyon that you can use to talk to the modem to see if it is working. Use the Program Manager part of YaST to install it. It has been too long since I needed a modem to help much more.
Good luck.
Oh, and please only reply to the list.
Ken What does that mean to the list, respond to the first one responding?
It means make sure you manually RE-address your reply to opensuse@opensuse.org, because the list management is on some holy crusade to not insert reply-to headers, based on the paranoid ravings contained in some stupid paper which has a title ending in "considered harmful" -- like most CS papers with "considered harmful" in the title, the small-minded tend to draw overly-simplistic conclusions. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Matt Archer wrote:
John Heinen wrote:
Ken Schneider wrote:
John Heinen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
I am very much ignorant about linux and openSuse, just installed it on a separate computer, (just in case I burn the house - (windows-xp)-down First about modems, I have an Agere LT Winmodem and an external US Robotics 56K USB fax model modem. Either one don't seem to respond. Question Which one would I need to buy for the beast. John A
Welcome to openSUSE and the best place to find support for it. The US Robotics you have should work fine. But if you need to buy another one stay away from the win-modems as they won't work. There is a program called seyon that you can use to talk to the modem to see if it is working. Use the Program Manager part of YaST to install it. It has been too long since I needed a modem to help much more.
Good luck.
Oh, and please only reply to the list.
Ken What does that mean to the list, respond to the first one responding?
It means make sure you manually RE-address your reply to opensuse@opensuse.org, because the list management is on some holy crusade to not insert reply-to headers, based on the paranoid ravings contained in some stupid paper which has a title ending in "considered harmful" -- like most CS papers with "considered harmful" in the title, the small-minded tend to draw overly-simplistic conclusions. This way? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 18 June 2008 09:37:02 pm John Heinen wrote: ...
This way?
Yes, although for some reason I see 2 emails. And also you may want to read: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette That is article where we collected information what we consider fine net-etiquette. The truth is that you will see many not respecting it, but most of us are not really strict in every respect and every time. For instance I can forgive myself taking thread off topic, but I'm not that flexible if somebody else does the same ;-) -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal Ideas how to build it? http://en.opensuse.org/Talk:Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Heinen wrote:
Ken Schneider wrote:
John Heinen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
I am very much ignorant about linux and openSuse, just installed it on a separate computer, (just in case I burn the house - (windows-xp)-down First about modems, I have an Agere LT Winmodem and an external US Robotics 56K USB fax model modem. Either one don't seem to respond. Question Which one would I need to buy for the beast. John A
Welcome to openSUSE and the best place to find support for it. The US Robotics you have should work fine. But if you need to buy another one stay away from the win-modems as they won't work. There is a program called seyon that you can use to talk to the modem to see if it is working. Use the Program Manager part of YaST to install it. It has been too long since I needed a modem to help much more.
Good luck.
Oh, and please only reply to the list.
Ken What does that mean to the list, respond to the first one responding?
It means make sure you manually RE-address your reply to opensuse@opensuse.org, because the list management is on some holy crusade to not insert reply-to headers, based on the paranoid ravings contained in some stupid paper which has a title ending in "considered harmful" -- like most CS papers with "considered harmful" in the title, the small-minded tend to draw overly-simplistic conclusions. We probably have to start from the beginning. In the beginning God made the world and even things to come like modems and nice people that would stand by for the uneducated. That said. I start opensusy, my screen shows the following options,
Matt Archer wrote: print/desktop/file system/network server/floppy/trash/media. I click on config desktop/internet/network......and now I am stuck, forget what I did yesterday.? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:10 PM, John Heinen
I click on config desktop/internet/network......and now I am stuck, forget what I did yesterday.?
Were you able to get the USR modem working? Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:39:04 -0500, John Heinen wrote:
I am very much ignorant about linux and openSuse, just installed it on a separate computer, (just in case I burn the house - (windows-xp)-down First about modems, I have an Agere LT Winmodem and an external US Robotics 56K USB fax model modem. Either one don't seem to respond. Question Which one would I need to buy for the beast. John A
I'd echo the same thing everyone else does, but would add one piece of information I haven't seen yet: The reason a Winmodem is unlikely to work is because all of the logic to make it work isn't in the hardware; part of it is in the Windows drivers that are created for the device, and Windows is the only platform they tend to be created for (hence the name "Winmodem"). The external USR should work fine, just plug it in and address it through the COM port - no additional driver should be necessary. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jim Henderson wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:39:04 -0500, John Heinen wrote:
I am very much ignorant about linux and openSuse, just installed it on a separate computer, (just in case I burn the house - (windows-xp)-down First about modems, I have an Agere LT Winmodem and an external US Robotics 56K USB fax model modem. Either one don't seem to respond. Question Which one would I need to buy for the beast. John A
I'd echo the same thing everyone else does, but would add one piece of information I haven't seen yet: The reason a Winmodem is unlikely to work is because all of the logic to make it work isn't in the hardware; part of it is in the Windows drivers that are created for the device, and Windows is the only platform they tend to be created for (hence the name "Winmodem").
Which is why I call them LoseModems [Just like most everything else with Windows.. choosing it makes you a Losers... So it should all be prefixed not with Win-, but with Lose-.
The external USR should work fine, just plug it in and address it through the COM port - no additional driver should be necessary.
Jim
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On Wednesday 18 June 2008 16:57, Matt Archer wrote:
Jim Henderson wrote:
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I'd echo the same thing everyone else does, but would add one piece of information I haven't seen yet: The reason a Winmodem is unlikely to work is because all of the logic to make it work isn't in the hardware; ...
Which is why I call them LoseModems
[Just like most everything else with Windows.. choosing it makes you a Losers... So it should all be prefixed not with Win-, but with Lose-.
Of course, the notion of synthesizing modem signals in software on the system's main CPU has not one damn thing to do with Windows per se. It's just a very poor use of a general-purpose processor that has many more important things to do than waveform synthesis conforming to the (pseudo-) acoustic signaling specifications of dial-in modems. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
A note to all: Not all external modems are true modems. I have encountered several USB modems that were win modems. True modems are definately RS-232 ones. I'm not sure about the OP's modem because he didn't list the model #, but just because it's external doesn't mean it's a real modem. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Larry Stotler wrote:
A note to all:
Not all external modems are true modems. I have encountered several USB modems that were win modems. True modems are definately RS-232 ones.
More precisely... all RS-232 modems are true modems, and SOME USB modems are alos true modems.
I'm not sure about the OP's modem because he didn't list the model #, but just because it's external doesn't mean it's a real modem.
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Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Wednesday 18 June 2008 16:57, Matt Archer wrote:
Jim Henderson wrote:
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I'd echo the same thing everyone else does, but would add one piece of information I haven't seen yet: The reason a Winmodem is unlikely to work is because all of the logic to make it work isn't in the hardware; ... Which is why I call them LoseModems
[Just like most everything else with Windows.. choosing it makes you a Losers... So it should all be prefixed not with Win-, but with Lose-.
Of course, the notion of synthesizing modem signals in software on the system's main CPU has not one damn thing to do with Windows per se.
Except that only the proprieters of Lose-doze promote such stupidity... the sole purpose was to cause users' internet performance to slow to a crawl, so that the user would then be induced to buy yet another computer to do the EXACT SAME THING the previous, perfectly good computer was already doing...with, of course, yet another copy of Lose-doze.
It's just a very poor use of a general-purpose processor that has many more important things to do than waveform synthesis conforming to the (pseudo-) acoustic signaling specifications of dial-in modems.
Exactly. Which is why only the world OS-vendor out there promotes such an abhorrent practice. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 18 June 2008 20:21, Matt Archer wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
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It's just a very poor use of a general-purpose processor that has many more important things to do than waveform synthesis conforming to the (pseudo-) acoustic signaling specifications of dial-in modems.
Exactly. Which is why only the world OS-vendor out there promotes such an abhorrent practice.
Promotes? It's the hardware vendors who sell the things and write the drivers for them. Besides, it's just another example of the ideal, perfect, infallible market in action. Vendors offer them and people buy them. Case closed. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Wednesday 18 June 2008 20:21, Matt Archer wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
... It's just a very poor use of a general-purpose processor that has many more important things to do than waveform synthesis conforming to the (pseudo-) acoustic signaling specifications of dial-in modems. Exactly. Which is why only the world OS-vendor out there promotes such an abhorrent practice.
Promotes? It's the hardware vendors who sell the things and write the drivers for them.
Which software vendor gave them their endorsement, and stamp of approval, so that the Lose-modems will only work their OS platform?
Besides, it's just another example of the ideal, perfect, infallible market in action. Vendors offer them and people buy them. Case closed.
I woudldn't be surprised if there is a hell of a lot of evidence to be found for anti-competitive practices charges in Microsoft's e-mail archives.
RRS
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2008-06-19 at 00:31 -0400, Matt Archer wrote:
Exactly. Which is why only the world OS-vendor out there promotes such an abhorrent practice.
Promotes? It's the hardware vendors who sell the things and write the drivers for them.
Which software vendor gave them their endorsement, and stamp of approval, so that the Lose-modems will only work their OS platform?
Not true. They don't work on other platform because the manufacturer doesn't make the drivers for those other platforms. It is not Microsoft who supports or writes the drivers. They don't care what type of modem you use. Put the blame where it is due. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIWhXVtTMYHG2NR9URAuR9AJ9KNCapuGCJ5HPS6XyGLU1MkCcL7ACePOLC LOsswwk1GcY7Sydq9HwcpVA= =2K0H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Heinen wrote:
I am very much ignorant about linux and openSuse, just installed it on a separate computer, (just in case I burn the house - (windows-xp)-down First about modems, I have an Agere LT Winmodem and an external US Robotics 56K USB fax model modem. Either one don't seem to respond. Question Which one would I need to buy for the beast. John A
John, The USR modem will work fine. If your new to Linux, then you need to make sure you are using the proper serial port with the modem. They are labeled a little different in Linux. Here is your cheat-sheet: Dos/Windows Linux com1 /dev/ttyS0 com2 /dev/ttyS1 com3 /dev/ttyS2 com4 /dev/ttyS3 Additionally, many of the linux comm packages make use of the soft-link "/dev/modem" to configure the comm port. From a terminal program (konsole, xterm, etc) as root take a look and see if you have the link: ls -al /dev/modem "ls" is the Linux "Dir" command. If you don't have the link, don't panic, you can always configure your comm program using /dev/ttyS(0,1,2,3) whatever your comm port is. Alternatively, If you know your comm port (say comm port 3) you can always create the link. As root, change to /dev directory "cd /dev" and then create the soft link: ln -s /dev/ttyS2 modem As far as checking the comm port and modem communication I would recommend "minicom". A simple terminal program like hyper-terminal on windows. Just remember [ctrl]+[a] [z] will give you the help screen. Then you can simply enter "atz" to see if you are communicating with the modem. If you are, then you can enter "ati4" to see the active modem settings and use ati5 to see the default settings 1&2. I haven't used USB with a modem before, so another on the list will have to chime in on the differences there. And remember on Linux "man command-name" will give you the manual for 99% of the things you will run into. Have fun. This is the only Linux distribution and List you will need. Great bunch of helpful guys when their not throwing rocks at each other. Once you find out what linux can do, you will never go back to Windows. Don't get me wrong, I still have a "must have Window's program" for accounting. I just run it in Linux now. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 18 June 08, John Heinen wrote:
I am very much ignorant about linux and openSuse, just installed it on a separate computer, (just in case I burn the house - (windows-xp)-down First about modems, I have an Agere LT Winmodem and an external US Robotics 56K USB fax model modem. Either one don't seem to respond. Question Which one would I need to buy for the beast.
Hey, here's what Jim Henderson says you should do: "Instead of looking for *problems*, why not look for *solutions*? You're not Aaron, are you?" -- "The tree of liberty must be occasionally watered with the blood of tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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