On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:04:31AM +0100, Dave Howorth wrote:

Linux Tyro wrote:

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1. If I install the latest version viz. 11.04, would it remain stable even after 8 months? (Since during 8 months, due to my job, I could not get the time to learn) and even if it changes, the basic functionality would remain the same....?

Yes it will stay stable. Whilst a release is 'live' updates are made available for it that (a) fix security problems and (b) fix critical bugs. When the release is superceded by a new release, it's just that there are no more updates.

As I fear this might get read slightly wrong I have to add the pointer to http://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime The core information is: Supported distributions The following distributions are expected to receive updates until the specified date: openSUSE 11.4 - September 15th 2012 (2 months after release of 12.2) openSUSE 11.3 - January 15th 2012 (2 months after release of 12.1) Lars PS With my dedicated heart (and remaining brain parts) to free and Open Source Software I have to stress please don't go with Ubuntu. Some if not most of you might ask why? Please read http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/01/14/ubuntu-debian.html -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:

Having said all that, my personal view is that you'd be better using Ubuntu LTS, since it involves fewer upgrades (i.e. installing new releases). If you have some specific problem with Ubuntu, please tell us what it is so we can advise whether opensuse overcomes it.

There is no specific problem with Ubuntu, it is working good but I wanted to use openSUSE only because one of mine friend told me once (earlier) and claimed that it is for beginners also. According to you, beginners should use Ubuntu LTS but not openSUSE? Though I am new but I hope (not sure, is wrong please let me know) openSUSE could provide me a good start...? On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Lars Müller wrote:

As I fear this might get read slightly wrong I have to add the pointer to http://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime

Yes, this page say the release update upto 18 months!

PS With my dedicated heart (and remaining brain parts) to free and Open Source Software I have to stress please don't go with Ubuntu.

Some if not most of you might ask why?

Please read http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/01/14/ubuntu-debian.html

I respect your suggestion. But then, I just would ask you to please let me know if I should go for Debian or openSUSE, as you say..? On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

Mine has. That won't stop me upgrading in the future though :-) The reports I'm getting on the 3.x kernel are very positive.

It means openSUSE is good.

Whatever you do, you then update from the repositories anyway.

I guess, as a beginner, only CD version would be okay for me and it would give me all the basic things, I need to have.

What I did when converting from Mandriva a long while ago was to chose to preserve my /home and let Suse overwrite the rest. That was a dual boot machine.

Very frankly I would be saying that I don't know if /home should be kept or not or what. But just I want to preserve the Windows XP (initially for my sis, who works on it) in this dual booted system. Later after getting small hands on it, I would completely replace the drive with openSUSE. During installation, rather than asking for /home, would it not say me in words? Like 'windows XP' and this is 'openSUSE' which are taking this much of the space...?

You don't RECOGNISE, you tell the installer what to do.

Oh yes, after all, only our brains have made machines and not vice-versa! On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Will Stephenson wrote:

Dave, this is incorrect. Released distributions are maintained for critical bug fixes and security bugs for the time until the next release (8 months), plus the time until the release after that (another 8 months), plus two months. Work that one out in your copybooks. If you want a longer support period, use Evergreen.

Evergreen is a stable openSUSE release? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Terry Eck wrote:

On 10/26/2011 12:19 PM, Linux Tyro wrote:

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Evergreen is a stable openSUSE release?

Is this a for purchase product or can it be down loaded? Why would anyone not want Evergreen? Regards. Terry

Evergreen is a LTS community project and is free, except you need reconfigure your repositories at the end of the normal 18-month period to point to the Evergreen versions of the repos. (They don't exist until 18-month period expires.) It is a fairly young effort. It's first effort was 11.1 Evergreen (LTS). That was started last Jan. and is ongoing. I'm unclear how long it may last. (months? years?) There is no statement as to the target support period. There is also a 11.2 Evergreen (LTS). Again there is no statement as to how long it will be maintained. (months? years?) There is currently no statement as to 11.3 Evergreen (LTS). The primary 11.1 Evergreen maintainer is not the primary 11.2 Evergreen maintainer, so likely for there to be a 11.3 Evergreen, someone new will need to volunteer to fill the role of primary maintainer. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Evergreen It would be great if someone were to volunteer now, so that people with 11.3 installs could take that into account as they plan the future. Maybe someone reading this would like to take the plunge! Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 12:51:31 PM Linux Tyro wrote:

Can you please give me the link for the CD (only) for 11.4 (latest stable) to start the torrent...

Use http as torrent is not very good (fast) long after release, which is the case with 11.4. We use torrent mainly to help servers right after new release.

How could I know if I use i386 or i586 or i686...?

It depends in used processor, which you can see in your computer manual, Windows computer information, Ubuntu ... -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:04:56 +0530 Linux Tyro wrote:

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Rajko M. wrote:

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How could I know if I use i386 or i586 or i686...?

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It depends in used processor, which you can see in your computer manual, Windows computer information, Ubuntu ...

Can I know it by any command or anything by typing in the terminal....? (Currently in Ubuntu LTS).

Try these... cat /proc/cpuinfo or dmesg | grep CPU hth & regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Linux Tyro said the following on 10/27/2011 10:00 AM:

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Carl Hartung wrote:

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cat /proc/cpuinfo

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dmesg | grep CPU

I ran the above commands but in the output nowhere was written

i*86

How can i know that?

$ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 15 model : 79 model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ stepping : 2 cpu MHz : 1890.006 Whoops! Try again on the other machine :-) $ more /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 11 model name : Intel(R) Celeron(TM) CPU 1200MHz stepping : 1 cpu MHz : 1196.459 See that "cpu family"? This is a 686. RTFM Or failing that the source, Luke. -- In the beginning was The Word and The Word was Content-type: text/plain -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thursday 27 October 2011 19:46:43 Linux Tyro wrote:

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Anton Aylward

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$ more /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 11 model name : Intel(R) Celeron(TM) CPU 1200MHz stepping : 1 cpu MHz : 1196.459

See that "cpu family"? This is a 686.

Okk, thanks, mine output is as follows:

processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 23 model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz stepping : 10 cpu MHz : 2499.646 cache size : 2048 KB ......<snip>

It means that mine also i686, since 'cpu family' is '6'. thanks.

No, the E5200 is a 64-bit CPU. Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Anders Johansson wrote:

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processor     : 0 vendor_id     : GenuineIntel cpu family    : 6 model         : 23 model name    : Intel(R) Pentium(R)  CPU       E5200  @ 2.50GHz stepping      : 10 cpu MHz               : 2499.646 cache size    : 2048 KB ......<snip>

It means that mine also i686, since 'cpu family' is '6'. thanks.

No, the E5200 is a 64-bit CPU.

Please let me know should I donwload the 64 bit version KDE CD? If it has been become sure that my system is 64 bit (as you say from the above outpt) or should i send you some other output also...(from any command)...to confirm the same...... -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:12 PM, James Knott wrote:

As you can see, it's a 64 bit CPU.  Give the 64 bit version a try.  The worst it can do is fail, in which case you try again with the 32 bit version.

Okay. I just start the torrent for DVD of 64 bit. Thanks. And I came to know that my RAM is actually 2 GB, I guess suited for 64 bit. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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How could I know if I use i386 or i586 or i686...?

The choices are 32 bit or 64 bit. All the above are 32 bit.

Okay and I am using 32 bit system. Thanks for this but please can you let me know about what is the difference between i386 or i586 or i686 (just as a matter of interest). -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:32 PM, James Knott wrote:

Those are simply different generations of the Intel 32 bit processors. As they advanced, they had more capability. An app written for i386, will run on i486 & later, but one written for a later generation may not run on an earlier one. As for the actual differences, you'd have to check the programmers reference manuals. One significant difference between i386 and i486 was the built in math processor. With the i386, you either used a separate math co-processor or made do with software, which would be slower.

Oh I see but I have started the torrent download for opensuse 11.4 kde in which written is 'i686' but actually I don't know if my processor is that or a lower one, like i586...! So would there be any problem or not? -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

There is only one 32 bit version, the one you are downloading, don't worry. The i586 is about 10 years old.

Oh thanks for the confirmation. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:49:17PM +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Lars Müller wrote: [ 8< ]

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Please read http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/01/14/ubuntu-debian.html

I respect your suggestion. But then, I just would ask you to please let me know if I should go for Debian or openSUSE, as you say..?

I would go with openSUSE. Unfortunately Debian doesn't include AppArmor. Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany