On 2013-12-04 21:26, John M Andersen wrote:

On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 08:53:01 PM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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No upgrade will make it work.

Because it works already in Okular.

That is not working. Your photo shows it does not, the unsupported notice is above your photo. Try push the "Formular drucken" button, or add a cryptographic signature to it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

On 2013-12-04 22:03, John Andersen wrote:

On 12/4/2013 12:47 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Now we seem to have a moving goal-post, and clearly the button does not work.

The button is part of the XFA form specification. Ergo, the form does not fully work, even if you can fill the fields and print it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

John M Andersen wrote:

On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 08:28:10 PM Per Jessen wrote:

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I'm just filling in a PDF form, and thought I would try it with Okular (given the recent deprecation of acroread). I'm on openSUSE 12.3, and Okular complains about unsupported XFA forms. I guess I need an upgrade or? It's a RIPE request-form for IP-addresses:

http://files.jessen.ch/ip-antragsformular.pdf

Okular complains about XFA but works anyway.

Even the form you show in the link above. If I click show the form button (it appears in the banner complaining about XFA), I can edit the form, and save it, and when I recall it, it contains the changes I keyed in.

Also works the same for US Internal Revenue Service Forms. Don't know why you are having problems with this, but it has worked this way on 12.3 for a long time.

Weird, I couldn't type anything into any of the fields. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.7°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/12/13 22:14, John M Andersen wrote:

On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:12:44 PM Per Jessen wrote:

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Weird, I couldn't type anything into any of the fields.

Had to hit the Show Form button first. Did you have the same version?

I'm on 0.16.5 - and yes, View->Show Forms does part of it. Still, the font in the entry fields is tiny, and the tab-sequence confusing. Ah, the zoom affects the fixed-text only, so if I zoom out, it works. "Formular Drucken" doesn't work though. /Per Jessen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

On 12/4/2013 1:37 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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"Formular Drucken" doesn't work though.

Well if my "Google German" serves me, all that is supposed to do is print the form, and the Okular print works,

I haven't checked the actual page printed. but the print dialogue worked, yes. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-12-04 22:16, Doug McGarrett wrote:

Okular just isn't capable like Adobe is. If you have the capability with your system to download and install Adobe Reader, you should do so, and you should complain to your distro's managers that you want it! I don't know what to suggest--I went thru this same problem you're having two years ago, and obviously they haven't fixed it. I don't understand why we don't have it. Some distros can use the 32 bit version which is the only one available. If some can, they all should be able to! So if opesuse can run the Reader, then install it, and you won't have any more trouble.

acroread has been intentionally removed from the distribution and is not coming back. Read the 13.1 release notes. You have to download it directly from adobe and accept the security risks, because Adobe has dropped support for Linux. No more updates since last June. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

On 04/12/13 21:50, Doug McGarrett wrote:

I am aware that Adobe isn't making any more versions for Linux, but the version that is available for download is perfectly adequate. Someone should pass on the word to the Okular devs that if they want to make a clone, they need to make a REAL CLONE, form, fit and function! All the buttons and everything in the same places, and all the functions--especially those related to filling out forms-- have to work, PERFECTLY.

Firstly, the Okular devs *cannot* make a 'clone' of acrobat reader - that would require countless IP infringements which I'm sure Adobe would take a very dim view of. Secondly, reverse-engineering a complex, dynamic file structure like pdf is a serious challenge; not something that can be accomplished in short order, especially when it's a moving target.

Until then, I will use Adobe, and I will intentionally avoid distros that do not make provision to do so.

That's quite a knee-jerk you've got there, Doug... You might do better lobbying Adobe to support Linux and assisting the Okular devs with testing and bug reports.

And the "security" thing is nothing but scare tactics. You can read anywhere that there has never been a virus on Linux!

I hope your complacency doesn't bite your arse someday Dx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-12-04 22:50, Doug McGarrett wrote:

I am aware that Adobe isn't making any more versions for Linux, but the version that is available for download is perfectly adequate.

And insecure.

And the "security" thing is nothing but scare tactics. You can read anywhere that there has never been a virus on Linux!

It is not virus we are talking about. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

On 2013-12-05 00:33, John M Andersen wrote:

On Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:10:03 AM Carlos E. R. wrote:

Wait, weren't you the one complaining that a button didn't work in Okular?

Yes.

The java script (used to handle that button) was the source of most potential insecurities. That Okular doesn't support that was seen as damning, (by you) and then in the above post you are complaining that this same java script is insecure.

Are you saving any cake for later Carl?

You are being naive. We need javascript support, obviously, and we need that javascript to be secure, with current updates. Same as we have it in mozilla. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

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And the "security" thing is nothing but scare tactics. You can read anywhere that there has never been a virus on Linux!

I don't pretend to understand all this article, but it sounds worrying to me: http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/linux-back-door-uses-covert-communicat... - -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.7.10-1.16-desktop Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.11.4 Uptime: 06:00am up 18:07, 3 users, load average: 0.17, 0.19, 0.22 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlKgZEkACgkQ0Sr7eZJrmU5iwQCdHUG/HnroOMO0+XG4YLjaVIlP vAAAmwZ6kW8rYGvU/yBEq6IfTRod3RJI =8cTn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/12/13 22:16, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 12/04/2013 02:28 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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I'm just filling in a PDF form, and thought I would try it with Okular (given the recent deprecation of acroread). I'm on openSUSE 12.3, and Okular complains about unsupported XFA forms. I guess I need an upgrade or? It's a RIPE request-form for IP-addresses:

http://files.jessen.ch/ip-antragsformular.pdf

Okular just isn't capable like Adobe is. If you have the capability with your system to download and install Adobe Reader, you should do so,

I do, and I do. I was really just putting Okular through the motions.

and you should complain to your distro's managers

We either have none or too many :-(

Some distros can use the 32 bit version which is the only one available.

Is there any sort of compatibility package available for enabling acrobat reader on 64bit openSUSE systems? /Per -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott wrote:

Per Jessen wrote:

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Is there any sort of compatibility package available for enabling acrobat reader on 64bit openSUSE systems?

Just install the 32 bit package. It works fine for me.

I did try that, but it complained about dependencies (a whole list of libraries missing). Then I installed with nodeps, and it certainly isn't working now :-) Maybe I need to install the 32bit versions of all of those libraries. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-0.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

C wrote:

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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James Knott wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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Is there any sort of compatibility package available for enabling acrobat reader on 64bit openSUSE systems?

Just install the 32 bit package. It works fine for me.

I did try that, but it complained about dependencies (a whole list of libraries missing). Then I installed with nodeps, and it certainly isn't working now :-) Maybe I need to install the 32bit versions of all of those libraries.

Doesn't that seem... logical? That you would need the 32 bit libs for the 32 bit application?

Hmm, you could be right :-)

Most (all?) of my 64 bit installs seem to have an almost 1:1 duplication of 64 bit libs in 32 bit just to be able to run those apps that are only 32 bit (apps like Skype, Acroread, Steam, etc.). It

I guess I haven't had reason to play much with running 32bit apps on 64bit openSUSE. Actually, no reason at all until now, because all desktops are running 32bit anyway. This one is an exception, not sure why. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.9°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-12-05 10:12, C wrote:

An side on the PDF thing... I was at a conference in November, and one of the presenters kind of nailed it, describing PDFs as the fax machine of the Internet, and just as doomed to eventual obscurity as... fa machines. I thought it was a pretty interesting analogy.

You tell that to the officialdom. I was told yesterday that I have to sign some papers. I can use fax, not email. Not valid. Fax, or go in person to the office (preferred, actually). Fax machines are still used a lot. Ditto for PDF, many official forms for government things that have been "computerized" use PDF forms of one kind or another. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2013-12-05 10:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Ditto for PDF, many official forms for government things that have been "computerized" use PDF forms of one kind or another.

Forgot to say. A PDF signed with a certificate has in my country legal value. I don't know of another electronic document with equivalent feature set...

Digitally signed email might compete, but obviously not as a storable document. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-12-05 13:41, James Knott wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Forgot to say. A PDF signed with a certificate has in my country legal value. I don't know of another electronic document with equivalent feature set...

In Canada, any digitally signed email. In fact, it's even possible to sign loan documents etc. that way at the bank I deal with.

Yes, but it doesn't have all the features... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

On 2013-12-05 13:39, James Knott wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I was told yesterday that I have to sign some papers. I can use fax, not email. Not valid. Fax, or go in person to the office (preferred, actually).

In Canada, a digitally signed email is considered to have a valid signature. I fail to understand why faxes are valid, as they're so easily forged. Many years ago, when I first got a fax modem I faxed myself a sheet containing nothing but my signature. I would then cut 'n paste my signature into my word processor to create a "signed" document.

Yes, but the regulators that at the time said a fax was valid, did not know that, and they have not updated with the times to accept email instead. The point is, that they told me fax was valid, not email, despite what youngsters may say -- thus business still use fax :-P Of course, things maybe different on different countries. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

On 12/05/2013 04:12 AM, C wrote:

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Per Jessen wrote: /snip/ An side on the PDF thing... I was at a conference in November, and one of the presenters kind of nailed it, describing PDFs as the fax machine of the Internet, and just as doomed to eventual obscurity as... fa machines. I thought it was a pretty interesting analogy. C. That might be, but what would replace accurate reproduction of engineering drawings, schematics, etc. ? --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 12/05/2013 12:42 PM, jdd wrote:

Le 05/12/2013 18:31, Doug McGarrett a écrit :

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That might be, but what would replace accurate reproduction of engineering drawings, schematics, etc. ? --doug

not the problem. drawings have they format (svg, dwg...)

but pdf is for *print format* documents, and I'm not aware of any replacement - and it's a shame :-(

jdd

It should be noted that pdfs are _vector_ graphics, and therefore can be resized without loss of detail. There are a lot of applications that don't fit into the categories you mention. (And how many "ordinary" people--even engineers not employed by large corporations--have AutoCad?) I'll just mention a couple of frinstances: Maintenance manuals, out of print and unavailable, which have been photocopied for reproduction over the Internet by outfits like Artech. Auto repair manual pages. Survey and architectural drawings that are part of a deed application process--some of these are not in their full EE-size originals printed on humongous plotters. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-12-05 19:25, jdd wrote:

Le 05/12/2013 19:11, Doug McGarrett a écrit :

it's you that cited engeneering drawings. none can fit on an A4 page or nearly

PDF is not limited to A4. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

Le 05/12/2013 20:15, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

Plus, with PDF they can be signed and certified. Here, those PDFs with plans are used at the registrar site, they are mandatory.

well... not with opensource package AFAIK... so you are back to win jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-12-05 11:34, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:

My Okular (0.17.2 from KDE 4.11.2, oS 13.1 64b) opens it. It only complains about XFA, but it seems to be working.

But you simply do not know what features of the document are not working, the warning is correct. These forms contain javscript code, which at the simplest is used for the pushbuttons, but at worst it can fill cells, do operations, verify for correctness of data, etc. Who knows what they put in there.

You can upgrade to the latest version of Adobe Reader for Windows®, Mac, or Linux® by visiting http://www.adobe.com/go/reader_download.

There is no latest Linux version. Adobe has dropped Linux support since about June. They are not doing security updates for the version 9, and they have not made a Linux X version. They have abandoned us. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

On 2013-12-05 13:36, Per Jessen wrote:

"Latest" for Linux is then version 9, which is still available for download.

Yes, but frozen, both feature wise and security wise. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

Yes, we have one. Download FoxitReader for Windows and install it via wine - works fine 2013/12/5 Vojtěch Zeisek :

Dne Čt 5. prosince 2013 13:59:24, Carlos E. R. napsal(a):

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On 2013-12-05 13:36, Per Jessen wrote:

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"Latest" for Linux is then version 9, which is still available for download.

Yes, but frozen, both feature wise and security wise.

Yes, but do we have another program supporting all current features of PDF files? I use it only when I really need to, like in the example with too smart forms of our faculty... All the best, Vojtěch

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On 2013-12-05 14:05, Damian Ivanov wrote:

Yes, we have one. Download FoxitReader for Windows and install it via wine - works fine

NO, it does not. Signature verification fails (wine does not have necessary hooks). -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

On 2013-12-05 17:51, jdd wrote:

Le 05/12/2013 16:11, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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On 2013-12-05 14:05, Damian Ivanov wrote:

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Yes, we have one. Download FoxitReader for Windows and install it via wine - works fine

NO, it does not. Signature verification fails (wine does not have necessary hooks).

there vare errors, but it succeeds and works (at least partly, only tested on one pdf)

It doesn't here. Not a single signature verifies. I'm talking of legally binding cryptographic signatures in PDFs, same kind as the PKCS, not PGP. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

Le 05/12/2013 13:06, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

There is no latest Linux version. Adobe has dropped Linux support since about June. They are not doing security updates for the version 9, and they have not made a Linux X version. They have abandoned us.

and wine do not fit either jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Right, acrobat X does not currently install or run on wine. If you are going to use version 9, then just use the Linux version instead.

Actually, it does. You can install both Acrobat Reader X and XI through Wine and/or Crossover. In vanilla Wine, you need to run: winetricks -q mspatcha. I didn't try in Crossover yet but the results should be close to identical since they Both Reader X and XI do actually work OK in Wine 1.7.7 (I just tested both versions in 1.7.7 and in the daily snapshot)... but... both also crash when trying to open any document with forms, including the one that Per is trying to work with. So, still not a solution here. There is a bug open on this crash problem: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34109 What I have found is this: http://www.qoppa.com/pdfstudio/ It's commercial software, but there is a free trial, and... it works. You CAN open PDFs with forms and embedded Javascript - you get a popup warning with a yes/no choice. The form from Per appears to work OK in the trial version. So.. commercial software, but if you need to have PDF support in Linux, maybe this is an option? C. -- openSUSE 12.3 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-12-05 20:19, Per Jessen wrote:

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So.. commercial software, but if you need to have PDF support in Linux, maybe this is an option?

Definitely - if it's full-featured, I don't mind paying for it. OTOH, perhaps development on okular will pick up and bring it to a sufficient level of functionality.

It has to be affordable. Do they have a Linux version? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

On 2013-12-05 20:29, C wrote:

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Carlos E. R.

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It has to be affordable. Do they have a Linux version?

Follow the link my friend :-) They support Linux, OSX, and some obscure OS called Windows. For the Linux version, they have both 32 bit and 64 bit.

I've installed the trial... and it seems to work OK with the form documents with embedded Javascript.

Ok, I'll have a look... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:06 PM, John Andersen wrote:

On 12/5/2013 11:32 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2013-12-05 20:29, C wrote:

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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Carlos E. R.

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It has to be affordable. Do they have a Linux version?

Follow the link my friend :-) They support Linux, OSX, and some obscure OS called Windows. For the Linux version, they have both 32 bit and 64 bit.

I've installed the trial... and it seems to work OK with the form documents with embedded Javascript.

Ok, I'll have a look...

Not exactly affordable in my opinion, especially compared to Acrobat Reader or Foxit reader. Especially if you adhere to the one license per seat

But then it does a bit more than a standard reader. The base product seems to sit half way between a simple reader and Acrobat itself. Its probably overkill for a simple Reader equivalent.

Simple Reader equivalent = Okular The problem is a simple reader doesn't cut it for what this discussion is about. Something more than a simple reader is required. Reader XI and Foxit do not work properly via Wine in Linux. Affordable? Compared to $200 USD for a Windows 8 License so you can run Acrobat Reader XI? Or if you need AcrobatPro XI features, another $450 USD on top of the $200 USD for a Windows license? Seems like $90 USD is a bit of a bargain to me. C -- openSUSE 12.3 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2013-12-05 21:24, C wrote:

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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:06 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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Affordable? Compared to $200 USD for a Windows 8 License so you can run Acrobat Reader XI? Or if you need AcrobatPro XI features, another $450 USD on top of the $200 USD for a Windows license? Seems like $90 USD is a bit of a bargain to me.

It is not to me.

What is another solution? I'm faced with the same issue that Per has... occasional PDFs that I have no choice but to fill in... similar reasons. I happen to have a way to run Windows (in a VM), but I opt for Linux software wherever possible. This is so far the only thing I've ever stumbled onto that actually works in Linux. Is there something cheaper? Buying a Windows license to fill in a form certainly isn't (which was the point of my comparison). C. -- openSUSE 12.3 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2013-12-05 21:39, C wrote:

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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:

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Seems like $90 USD is a bit of a bargain to me.

It is not to me.

What is another solution? I'm faced with the same issue that Per has... occasional PDFs that I have no choice but to fill in... similar reasons. I happen to have a way to run Windows (in a VM), but I opt for Linux software wherever possible. This is so far the only thing I've ever stumbled onto that actually works in Linux. Is there something cheaper? Buying a Windows license to fill in a form certainly isn't (which was the point of my comparison).

I do not say that there is another solution, I say that I can not afford that much.

That I can understand completely :-P This is a bit of an interesting topic for me since I do use PDF far too much. With Reader being not "officially" available in 13.1, I am motivated to try and find a solution... I'm up to 3 possibilities now... PDFStudio for $90 - pricey, and more than what's needed Chrome extension - works for some forms, but anything complex pops up an error stating you need to use the full Acrobat and now this one (how is your German?) http://www.cabaret-solutions.com/pdf-produkte/cabaret-stage According to the information on this product: "Kostenlos zur nicht-kommerziellen Nutzung für Privatanwende" which, in English means it's free for home/non-commercial use. It's Java based, and also appears to work with the document that Per provided. This one is free... so a slightly better price over the previous one I dug up. :-) C. -- openSUSE 12.3 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/5/2013 1:22 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

I will keep using acroread, jailed in an apparmour profile, and with a trick on the firewall so that it can not connect.

Can you share the details of the AppArmour and the firewall blockage? - -- _____________________________________ - ---This space for rent--- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAlKg9CUACgkQv7M3G5+2DLLm8wCdFkmhzDNu7oV/KM98ckkUtMkJ Av4An29JfBQUFszIphbboXh+qwyhrt46 =rAH+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2013-12-05 at 22:49 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2013-12-05 22:46, John Andersen wrote:

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On 12/5/2013 1:22 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I will keep using acroread, jailed in an apparmour profile, and with a trick on the firewall so that it can not connect.

Can you share the details of the AppArmour and the firewall blockage?

I still have not done that. The firewall thing yes, but it is not currently active and I have to check things. Sure, I'll post.

For the firewall. In "/etc/sysconfig/scripts/SuSEfirewall2-custom" add this: iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --gid-owner talker -j LOG --log-prefix 'Do not talk home: ' iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --gid-owner talker -j REJECT I have it on "fw_custom_after_chain_creation()", but I don't know if that's the correct place. Then the binary of the application to block is changed, so that it belongs to the group "talker", and the it is made SGID (chmod g-s). In "/etc/permissions.local" add the line: /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/bin/acroread root:talker 2755 Then run "chkstat --system --set" result: Telcontar:~ # ls -l /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/bin/acroread - -rwxr-sr-x 1 root talker 20137 May 16 2013 /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/bin/acroread What this does is that the acrobat application runs under the group "talker", not as it usual self. Now, I don't know how to see this in the output of "ps"... Well, it appears that the network packet comming from programs can be identified by group, and thus, you can block that group from passing. I don't know how to verify if acrobat can connect or not, ie, how to force it to connect. If it does, I see it on the log. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlKhH60ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UpcQCfd0anAcLbvbab4+Ic0CqAuzCX fGYAoIg4P4faNTt4coP4y4ai5UC4A65p =5ohf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-12-05 22:12, John Andersen wrote:

On 12/5/2013 12:39 PM, C wrote:

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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:

Okular may not handle digitally signing forms yet.

I doubt they have plans for that. It is not only creating signatures (which I don't need, I think), but checking that a signed document has a valid signature and has not been tampered.

As for your prior post where you balanced the cost against a full windows license and then piled on the full 450 dollar price of Acrobat, that is a false dichotomy. (And I suspect you knew that when you wrote it).

Windows usually comes included when we buy a computer, and acrobat reader is free of charge. Different thing is buying a license for virtualizing a machine. And different thing is pirating Windows, which is very popular where I live. So much so that I can not convince people to use Linux with the argument that it is free, because they say that Windows is also free.

If you need to Digitally Sign PDFs Its not clear to me that even Adobe Reader X does this in any verifiable way. Yes they put a picture of your signature in, but how valid is that.

I don't think that's valid at all. I have not tried signing (PKCS certificates, I think), because first you need a criptokey, and mine I think is not valid for PDFs. And the people I know using those features do so in Windows, and often they have the full adobe package. The photo of the signature is just for show, I understand. I'll have to study that feature one day before acroread 9 stops working. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 08:33 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2013-12-05 22:12, John Andersen wrote:

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On 12/5/2013 12:39 PM, C wrote:

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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:

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Okular may not handle digitally signing forms yet.

I doubt they have plans for that. It is not only creating signatures (which I don't need, I think), but checking that a signed document has a valid signature and has not been tampered.

Technically speaking it's no big deal, I would think - I mean, this sort of thing is done all the time.

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If you need to Digitally Sign PDFs Its not clear to me that even Adobe Reader X does this in any verifiable way. Yes they put a picture of your signature in, but how valid is that.

I don't think that's valid at all. I have not tried signing (PKCS certificates, I think), because first you need a criptokey, and mine I think is not valid for PDFs.

Getting a key is no big deal either, and whether it is "valid" for PDFs is irrelevant, I'm pretty sure. How to sign a PDF is a different story though. Does LibreOffice help with that perhaps?

I was tempted to claim it does, as you can sign documents made by Libreoffice (version 3.5). But, when exporting towards PDF, i wonder if the sign will also be included. Only security options are about restricting the pdf-usage (viewing, printing, changing) and these are password based. (or so it seems) Perhaps a more recent version of L.O. might do it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 05/12/2013 21:24, C a écrit :

Affordable? Compared to $200 USD for a Windows 8 License so you can run Acrobat Reader XI?

please, who don't have a windows licence around? I don't like to use it as id means rebooting or booting virtualbox, wich is overkill, but I can do it I would love a real open source pdf editor though jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 05/12/2013 23:42, Togan Muftuoglu a écrit :

I don't have one and I do not need one

I have some on computer I had donated to be trashed :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

C wrote:

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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Right, acrobat X does not currently install or run on wine. If you are going to use version 9, then just use the Linux version instead.

Actually, it does. You can install both Acrobat Reader X and XI through Wine and/or Crossover. In vanilla Wine, you need to run: winetricks -q mspatcha. I didn't try in Crossover yet but the results should be close to identical since they

Both Reader X and XI do actually work OK in Wine 1.7.7 (I just tested both versions in 1.7.7 and in the daily snapshot)... but... both also crash when trying to open any document with forms, including the one that Per is trying to work with. So, still not a solution here.

There is a bug open on this crash problem: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34109

What I have found is this: http://www.qoppa.com/pdfstudio/ It's commercial software, but there is a free trial, and... it works. You CAN open PDFs with forms and embedded Javascript - you get a popup warning with a yes/no choice. The form from Per appears to work OK in the trial version.

So.. commercial software, but if you need to have PDF support in Linux, maybe this is an option?

Definitely - if it's full-featured, I don't mind paying for it. OTOH, perhaps development on okular will pick up and bring it to a sufficient level of functionality.

I've been poking around on this and stumbled onto something else... there's a Chromium PDF plugin - it's in the community repos. I've just installed it, and it "seems" to work OK with the form linked way back at the start of this long thread. Maybe this is a solution? C. -- openSUSE 12.3 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-12-05 22:22, John Andersen wrote:

On 12/5/2013 12:48 PM, C wrote:

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there's a Chromium PDF plugin - it's in the community repos. I've just installed it, and it "seems" to work OK with the form linked way back at the start of this long thread. Maybe this is a solution?

The form mentioned way back at the start works with the current Okular. (Ignore the error, and click show the form).

It is not as simple as that. Those forms include code. This is usually used only to create a button to print the form. In that case, the code is irrelevant. I have seen a form that displays a calendar gadget to select the date, also done with javascript. Without it, you simply type the date. But that code can be used to fill fields based on formulae, or for verification of consistency between fields. It is up to the creator to decide what he does with that code. I have seen forms that weight 10 times more the size of the form itself, just for the included code. The administration here uses some forms that when you print them, they print some extra pages filled with dot-codes - like bar codes, but with much more data. The official simply scans those dots with a handheld laser scanner, and the data is quickly entered on to the administration network. No OCR involved, no typing errors. I'm almost sure those forms only work in acrobat. Unfortunately, I do not have a sample. When you open such a form in okular or evince, you simply do not know if it _really_ works unless you compare it with acroread. You need the comparison on each form to verify that you are not missing a critical feature of the form. Two more samples:

http://smarte-forms.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/birth-certificate-appl...

http://www.seg-social.es/Internet_6/Pensionistas/Servicios/Solicitudesdepres...

The first one has the calendar I mentioned. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

On Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2013 22:43:32 Carlos E. R. wrote:

It is not as simple as that.

Those forms include code. This is usually used only to create a button to print the form. In that case, the code is irrelevant.

You can do such forms yourself with scribus. I did that once for a special transport order form, where about 80 addresses where included internally, and the user was able to select them via combo boxes. This form was usable with acroread only, of course.. Not checked lately, since its usage phased out.. Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org