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John Andersen

17 May 2011 17 May '11

22:49

I had to copy a 29 gigabyte file from a drive in an external firewire (scsi) enclosure to an internal hard drive. So I connected the drive, selected open in dolphin, and dragged the file from the firewire to home directory. I did this multiple times, because each time it would get some distance into the file and start throwing multiple firewire_bp2 scsi aborts into the log, and the disk light on the enclosure would go out and many minutes later the dolphin process would indicate a read error on the drive. It also seemed to get progressively slower and slower probably because it was spending so much time resetting the scsi bus. Googling around there was some mention that Dolphin often had problems copying big files or many many files. Some of these are as recent as January. So I opened a shell and copied the file manually and the drive never burped up a single scsi abort, the drive light never went off, and the entire file copied perfectly in one go. So I tried again with Dolphin and got the same scsi aborts. So don't trust dolphin on big file moves. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Carlos E. R.

18 May 18 May

00:09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-05-18 00:49, John Andersen wrote:

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So I tried again with Dolphin and got the same scsi aborts.

So don't trust dolphin on big file moves.

I never do. I use 'mc'. However, you should scan the log for error, and try reseating the cable. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3TDjEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UydACfXWckQtfBSKELlM0s9+I4MyXc lMAAn2GNIju3e1LOBGH45ypOy5lpxU8G =DfeF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

00:24

On 2011/05/18 02:09 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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John Andersen wrote:

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So I tried again with Dolphin and got the same scsi aborts.

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So don't trust dolphin on big file moves.

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I never do. I use 'mc'. However, you should scan the log for error, and try reseating the cable.

I'm highly dependent on mc for all manner of things, but I sometimes find I have to kill it after trying to copy huge numbers of files, and use cmdline tools instead when that happens, or try to subdivide the total into smaller blocks to do separately. IIRC, same thing's happened on huge files more than once, maybe upwards of 20G, 70G or 200G anyway. OTOH, I've yet to ever even open Dolphin, since MC is my file manager, in or out of KDE. :-) -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

00:49

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-05-18 02:24, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/05/18 02:09 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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I'm highly dependent on mc for all manner of things, but I sometimes find I have to kill it after trying to copy huge numbers of files, and use cmdline tools instead when that happens, or try to subdivide the total into smaller blocks to do separately. IIRC, same thing's happened on huge files more than once, maybe upwards of 20G, 70G or 200G anyway.

I don't remember if I have copied that size of files, 4.7 GB is about my maximum. But I haven't had problems. However... I think that on some copy operations, mc does a local copy first. I have seen it when copying over an ssh link to another computer. And there has to be enough local storage first. I don't know why it does that. I know because after launching the copy, it was obviously reading the file, but nothing crossed the network. Then a "fs -h" discovered where it was writing to.

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OTOH, I've yet to ever even open Dolphin, since MC is my file manager, in or out of KDE. :-)

I use nautilus, sometimes konqueror, to change file names, it is easier than in mc. In mc I have to type 'mv', then alt-enter, alt-enter, to copy the filename to the command line, then edit being careful with spaces and such. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3TF5AACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WNVgCfTeMNbWaL6NDnqYXQ7/UVPRix pYYAniiSfM0KfFEz1pJG5ArN/x87t85w =mKMX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Larry Stotler

02:29

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I use nautilus, sometimes konqueror, to change file names, it is easier than in mc. In mc I have to type 'mv', then alt-enter, alt-enter, to copy the filename to the command line, then edit being careful with spaces and such.

That's what F6 is for.....It would be nice if it actually gave you the filename so it could be edited instead of having to retype it tho. I use mc for most all my file management. Of course, I also used Norton Commander back in the day. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Charles Philip Chan

05:34

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Larry Stotler writes:

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That's what F6 is for.....It would be nice if it actually gave you the filename so it could be edited instead of having to retype it tho.

I just type in a couple of characters and use "alt-tab" for completion. You will need to change the hotkey in either mc or your environment if you are using "alt-tab" for something else. Charles -- "The world is beating a path to our door" -- Bruce Perens, (Open Sources, 1999 O'Reilly and Associates)

auxsvr＠gmail.com

14:46

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On Wednesday 18 of May 2011 08:34:34 Charles Philip Chan wrote:

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I just type in a couple of characters and use "alt-tab" for completion. You will need to change the hotkey in either mc or your environment if you are using "alt-tab" for something else.

I use Esc-Tab to the same effect, because Alt-Tab is captured by kwin.

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Charles

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Charles Philip Chan

15:24

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auxsvr@gmail.com writes:

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I use Esc-Tab to the same effect, because Alt-Tab is captured by kwin.

Ah right, totally forgot about the esc trick. :-) Charles -- The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned. (Bruce Ediger, bediger@teal.csn.org, in comp.os.linux.misc, on X interfaces.)

Larry Stotler

19 May 19 May

01:03

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Almost tossed out a working hard drive - Dolphin.

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Charles Philip Chan wrote:

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auxsvr@gmail.com writes:

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I use Esc-Tab to the same effect, because Alt-Tab is captured by kwin.

Ah right, totally forgot about the esc trick. :-)

That works for me in a VT, but not in a konsole/term. However, all it did was bring up the file list in the folder. It would be nice if in F6 it showed the full pathname and filename. I also miss Ctrl-L from Norton. It was a nice key combo to change the other panel to info and back. Even now after all these years I still find myself hitting it and staring dumbly till I remember it doesn't work in mc....... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

18 May 18 May

14:11

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-05-18 04:29, Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I use nautilus, sometimes konqueror, to change file names, it is easier than in mc. In mc I have to type 'mv', then alt-enter, alt-enter, to copy the filename to the command line, then edit being careful with spaces and such.

That's what F6 is for.....It would be nice if it actually gave you the filename so it could be edited instead of having to retype it tho.

F6 moves from the folder in the active panel to the folder in the other panel. I don't see how to use it for editing filenames, easily. I could put both panels on the same folder, and then try F6 - but changing the other folder can be inconvenient if I also need the other panel where it was. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3T03kACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XcXwCgmTO5VOpo0yWXFC5PeA41GckM f+YAn0z+vilz4W5i+iy4H/scZXQlGZqL =2ok/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Charles Philip Chan

14:30

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"Carlos E. R." writes:

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F6 moves from the folder in the active panel to the folder in the other panel. I don't see how to use it for editing filenames, easily.

No, F6 is in essence "mv". It will stay in the same directory if you delete the path in the "to" field. The path will actually be delete by default if you just start typing. Charles -- "Computers may be stupid, but they're always obedient. Well, almost always." -- Larry Wall (Open Sources, 1999 O'Reilly and Associates)

Carlos E. R.

14:31

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-05-18 16:30, Charles Philip Chan wrote:

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"Carlos E. R." <> writes:

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F6 moves from the folder in the active panel to the folder in the other panel. I don't see how to use it for editing filenames, easily.

No, F6 is in essence "mv". It will stay in the same directory if you delete the path in the "to" field. The path will actually be delete by default if you just start typing.

Too complex. ^F6 is much better. Just found it :-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3T2DsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9V3ZwCaAy+u7st3ygt49ut9Kxa5TIxn TTwAn08BvZdSYWZ9a7RbPCC/hip9tzQ7 =P+vI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Larry Stotler

19 May 19 May

01:04

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On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Too complex. ^F6 is much better. Just found it :-)

Now that's what I'm talking about. Shift-F6. Wish I had known that one. Too bad you can't make it the default(or can it be made default?). Thanx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David Haller

21 May 21 May

23:31

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Hello, On Wed, 18 May 2011, Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Too complex. ^F6 is much better. Just found it :-)

Now that's what I'm talking about. Shift-F6. Wish I had known that one. Too bad you can't make it the default(or can it be made default?).

cp /etc/mc/mc.keymap ~/.mc/ mcedit ~/.mc/mc.keymap Change 'CmdRename = f6' to 'CmdRename = f16' and 'PanelRenameLocal = f16' to 'PanelRenameLocal = f6' Always worth having a look in /etc/mc/ and /usr/share/mc. HTH, -dnh -- RAID: One more disk fails than can be recovered by the redundancy. -- Andreas Dau -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

18 May 18 May

03:27

New subject: [opensuse] copy/mv in MC (was: Almost tossed...)

On 2011/05/18 02:49 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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On 2011-05-18 02:24, Felix Miata wrote:

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OTOH, I've yet to ever even open Dolphin, since MC is my file manager, in or out of KDE. :-)

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I use nautilus, sometimes konqueror, to change file names, it is easier than in mc. In mc I have to type 'mv', then alt-enter, alt-enter, to copy the filename to the command line, then edit being careful with spaces and such.

I used to have that problem too when I first started using MC, but I found out there is a fairly easy way to avoid the retyping. You & Larry have obviously never read and understood https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=400552 Maybe you two could comment and we could get some action on it. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

14:25

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-05-18 05:27, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/05/18 02:49 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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I used to have that problem too when I first started using MC, but I found out there is a fairly easy way to avoid the retyping. You & Larry have obviously never read and understood https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=400552 Maybe you two could comment and we could get some action on it.

No, I was not aware. Interesting, ^F6 for rename file on current dir. Either I didn't ever know, or I forgot, as the bar doesn't change on shift. And yes, it is absurd that change of behaviour depending on where the terminal is opened. By the way: use xterm for mc, not konsole or gnome-terminal - although xterm in 11.4 is buggy, it captures alt-enter. You have to update it to a newer version. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3T1tkACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U5fQCfeTLbT572SGxYryIxmlqyx99V rRoAn3e4HsROoYDQbpQLp0WXIXhjQ98A =C3GL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

15:24

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* Carlos E. R. [05-18-11 10:27]:

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By the way: use xterm for mc, not konsole or gnome-terminal - although xterm in 11.4 is buggy, it captures alt-enter. You have to update it to a newer version.

And, it appears that newer vers than standard in 11.4 use alt-enter to resize to full-screen :^( -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

19:45

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-05-18 17:24, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carlos E. R. [05-18-11 10:27]:

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By the way: use xterm for mc, not konsole or gnome-terminal - although xterm in 11.4 is buggy, it captures alt-enter. You have to update it to a newer version.

And, it appears that newer vers than standard in 11.4 use alt-enter to resize to full-screen :^(

That is what I said, it is a bug in xterm, which you solve by updating to version xterm-269-18.2.x86_64.rpm (OBS X11 xterminals). There the maximize on alt enter is disabled. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3UIb4ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XU5gCfbhxpUJIOeAN084kJrlGDzPCQ 7hYAn2iSjWx87A2WqI1YZ3MQeLJ9kUxv =PTkW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

21:57

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* Carlos E. R. [05-18-11 15:45]:

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On 2011-05-18 17:24, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carlos E. R. [05-18-11 10:27]:

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By the way: use xterm for mc, not konsole or gnome-terminal - although xterm in 11.4 is buggy, it captures alt-enter. You have to update it to a newer version.

And, it appears that newer vers than standard in 11.4 use alt-enter to resize to full-screen :^(

That is what I said, it is a bug in xterm, which you solve by updating to version xterm-269-18.2.x86_64.rpm (OBS X11 xterminals). There the maximize on alt enter is disabled.

I have xterm-269-18.4.x86_64 and <alt><enter> shifts to full-screen. Previous, 268-1.2.1, didn't shift to full-screen but did capture <alt><enter>. And, the changelog indicates the shift to full-screen is a *feature* :^(. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

23:18

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-05-18 23:57, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carlos E. R. <> [05-18-11 15:45]:

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That is what I said, it is a bug in xterm, which you solve by updating to version xterm-269-18.2.x86_64.rpm (OBS X11 xterminals). There the maximize on alt enter is disabled.

I have xterm-269-18.4.x86_64 and <alt><enter> shifts to full-screen. Previous, 268-1.2.1, didn't shift to full-screen but did capture <alt><enter>. And, the changelog indicates the shift to full-screen is a *feature* :^(.

Ok, then. You need both the new version of xterm, and two lines in the resources files. I tried so many things that I wasn't sure. These: XTerm*fullscreen: never XTerm.omitTranslation: fullscreen They are ignored in the default xterm supplied in 11.4. After my testing I thought there were not needed, but it appears I'm mistaken. You can find the explanation in the applications forum (“How to disable alt-enter=maximize?”). - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3UU9EACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XMIgCfWHegPM1XPDSkMdIgPQz8VOFQ TwYAnRC52WXSlhy/LGvexAUrQeKcIVko =jsWP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

23:42

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* Carlos E. R. [05-18-11 19:21]:

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On 2011-05-18 23:57, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I have xterm-269-18.4.x86_64 and <alt><enter> shifts to full-screen. Previous, 268-1.2.1, didn't shift to full-screen but did capture <alt><enter>. And, the changelog indicates the shift to full-screen is a *feature* :^(.

Ok, then.

You need both the new version of xterm, and two lines in the resources files. I tried so many things that I wasn't sure. These:

XTerm*fullscreen: never XTerm.omitTranslation: fullscreen

They are ignored in the default xterm supplied in 11.4. After my testing I thought there were not needed, but it appears I'm mistaken.

You can find the explanation in the applications forum (“How to disable alt-enter=maximize?”).

does this make xterm disreguard the <alt><enter> keystroke and allow it to go to mc? tks, -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

19 May 19 May

00:30

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-05-19 01:42, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carlos E. R. <> [05-18-11 19:21]:

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does this make xterm disreguard the <alt><enter> keystroke and allow it to go to mc?

Yes, that's what I said from the start. Or tried to :-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3UZIwACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VZqACfQTZ76nQpbHeZ33yvHeq5m7l6 UI4An1mA4tvtQ+UX/Zya5dasF4JcUarO =T1f/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

17:24

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* Carlos E. R. [05-18-11 20:32]:

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* Carlos E. R. <> [05-18-11 19:21]:

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does this make xterm disreguard the <alt><enter> keystroke and allow it to go to mc?

Yes, that's what I said from the start. Or tried to :-)

Note that stock mc provides <ctrl><enter> for the same function as <alt><enter> :^) -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

18:49

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-05-19 19:24, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carlos E. R. <> [05-18-11 20:32]:

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Note that stock mc provides <ctrl><enter> for the same function as <alt><enter> :^)

So it is. Another thing I did not know. Or forgot. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3VZjcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VqYQCdHGGPZU++OZasqy+fKLCbCLGL ehYAn36VzQ0Kc/8e4GJh/npU2mraeG+2 =bHLL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

18 May 18 May

15:43

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On 2011/05/18 16:25 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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By the way: use xterm for mc, not konsole or gnome-terminal - although xterm in 11.4 is buggy, it captures alt-enter. You have to update it to a newer version.

1-Why? 2-Xterm no good here. I've never figured out how to configure it to use legible fonts, or a white background. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

17:17

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* Felix Miata [05-18-11 11:46]:

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On 2011/05/18 16:25 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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By the way: use xterm for mc, not konsole or gnome-terminal - although xterm in 11.4 is buggy, it captures alt-enter. You have to update it to a newer version.

1-Why?

2-Xterm no good here. I've never figured out how to configure it to use legible fonts, or a white background.

not tooo hard... xterm -bg white -fg black and "man xtermset" will give you similar options that are storable: excerpt: OPTIONS -store [<filename>] This option will save all the other command line options given to the filename. If filename is omitted then the options will be written to ~/.xtermsetrc. -bg and -fg both available here -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

19:55

New subject: [opensuse] copy/mv in MC

On 2011/05/18 13:17 (GMT-0400) Patrick Shanahan composed:

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On 2011/05/18 16:25 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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By the way: use xterm for mc, not konsole or gnome-terminal - although xterm in 11.4 is buggy, it captures alt-enter. You have to update it to a newer version.

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1-Why?

No need to reach 2 if you can't get past 1 without ignoring it altogether.

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2-Xterm no good here. I've never figured out how to configure it to use legible fonts, or a white background.

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not tooo hard... xterm -bg white -fg black

So you say. Why does it speak of VT100? Didn't they use those with mainframes back in the '60's? Has anyone here under 40 or 50 ever even seen a VT100?

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and "man xtermset" will give you similar options that are storable: excerpt: OPTIONS -store [<filename>] This option will save all the other command line options given to the filename. If filename is omitted then the options will be written to ~/.xtermsetrc.

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-bg and -fg both available here

As is usual of man pages, absent are the examples without which I get nowhere. I'm not a programmer. I don't know what fn font-spec or -font font-spec mean. Besides, I can open man pages legibly already in Konsole, so, again, why not just use Konsole? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

20:11

New subject: [opensuse] copy/mv in MC

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-05-18 21:55, Felix Miata wrote:

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so, again, why not just use Konsole?

Konsole has a title bar and a menu bar, and a bottom bar that are just a bother when using mc. I want none of them. Plus, the font used with mc is just less readable than xterm's. When I use dozens of xterms with mc inside, a dozen of konsoles are a nuisance compared to a dozen of xterms. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3UJ/4ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XogQCfb5AWeVWIibftjwSaZBu4lbEw nMEAoIyqqUG0q8Jdghh0bxXhWq4A2jbq =v1Le -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

sc

21:53

New subject: [opensuse] copy/mv in MC

On Wednesday, May 18, 2011 15:11:42 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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so, again, why not just use Konsole?

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Konsole has a title bar and a menu bar, and a bottom bar that are just a bother when using mc. I want none of them. Plus, the font used with mc is just less readable than xterm's.

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When I use dozens of xterms with mc inside, a dozen of konsoles are a nuisance compared to a dozen of xterms.

you can turn off the menu bar in konsole, and whatever you mean by bottom bar, i know you can turn that off too, because all i have at the bottom of my konsole is the command line i have 20 tabs in my konsole, each with a different title and purpose, and switch between them using shift-<right> and shift-<left> ― and no, i've turned off the tab-bar too for me, konsole is the clear winner now, on the subject of mc, does anyone know a trove of mc color schemes? i'm using one called yellow-black.theme which is cool, but wouldn't mind experimenting with others sc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

22:32

New subject: [opensuse] copy/mv in MC

On 2011-05-18 23:53, sc wrote:

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On Wednesday, May 18, 2011 15:11:42 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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you can turn off the menu bar in konsole, and whatever you mean by bottom bar, i know you can turn that off too, because all i have at the bottom of my konsole is the command line

bottom status line, then. Yes, I'm sure they can be disabled, but it is many things to do, compared with an xterm, ready to go.

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i have 20 tabs in my konsole, each with a different title and purpose, and switch between them using shift-<right> and shift-<left> ― and no, i've turned off the tab-bar too

Yes, I know that, but for this I prefer many different windows. I bought a large display and I can fill it with many small windows. But I use gnome terminal with many tabs to see many log files. Different uses. I have my little manias :-P

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for me, konsole is the clear winner

I'd consider it if I were using kde :-p

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now, on the subject of mc, does anyone know a trove of mc color schemes? i'm using one called yellow-black.theme which is cool, but wouldn't mind experimenting with others

Didn't know there are themes for mc. I just use the default blue one. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar)

sc

19 May 19 May

00:25

New subject: [opensuse] copy/mv in MC

On Wednesday, May 18, 2011 17:32:46 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2011-05-18 23:53, sc wrote:

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On Wednesday, May 18, 2011 15:11:42 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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now, on the subject of mc, does anyone know a trove of mc color schemes? i'm using one called yellow-black.theme which is cool, but wouldn't mind experimenting with others

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Didn't know there are themes for mc. I just use the default blue one.

check out zagura's blog at http://www.zagura.ro/index.php/2008/01/09/midnight-commander- color-themes/ if you're curious sc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

00:59

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Didn't know there are themes for mc. I just use the default blue one.

check out zagura's blog at

http://www.zagura.ro/index.php/2008/01/09/midnight-commander- color-themes/

if you're curious

Yes, it is curious. But I think I like the default colours more :-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3Ua2oACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WFDACfTzYNF3R1V67sw8rh9h6BqmUA mW0AnijftXyUvP9oWMczryxGJhMgBRSE =o8qi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

18 May 18 May

22:18

New subject: [opensuse] copy/mv in MC

On 2011/05/18 22:11 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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so, again, why not just use Konsole?

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Konsole has a title bar and a menu bar, and a bottom bar that are just a bother when using mc. I want none of them.

You seemed to imply there is something broken or buggy about using MC in Konsole. Xterms here have title bars. Menu bars don't bother me. I use them. The bottom bar is for the tabs, which can be moved to the top.

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Plus, the font used with mc is just less readable than xterm's.

Konsole defaults to a dumb font that comes in exactly one size, but lets you pick any font on the system, which I do. OTOH, default Xterm fonts are about 1/4 legible size, maybe about 4pt here, _totally_ unreadable without sticking my nose up against the display.

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When I use dozens of xterms with mc inside, a dozen of konsoles are a nuisance compared to a dozen of xterms.

I usually have no more than a dozen open at once, in no more than about 2 windows, since Konsole has tabs, like all modern web browsers. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

23:02

New subject: [opensuse] copy/mv in MC

On 2011-05-19 00:18, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/05/18 22:11 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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You seemed to imply there is something broken or buggy about using MC in Konsole. Xterms here have title bars. Menu bars don't bother me. I use them. The bottom bar is for the tabs, which can be moved to the top.

Nothing buggy nor broken, just inconvenient. I wasn't thinking mostly of konsole, as I use gnome preferably. In the gnome terminal, it has happened to me that some function keys are intercepted by the terminal instead of doing whatever mc function I wanted to do. I tried konsole years ago and I also had problems.

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Plus, the font used with mc is just less readable than xterm's.

Konsole defaults to a dumb font that comes in exactly one size, but lets you pick any font on the system, which I do. OTOH, default Xterm fonts are about 1/4 legible size, maybe about 4pt here, _totally_ unreadable without sticking my nose up against the display.

Doesn't happen to me here, xterm choice of fonts are very readable.

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When I use dozens of xterms with mc inside, a dozen of konsoles are a nuisance compared to a dozen of xterms.

I usually have no more than a dozen open at once, in no more than about 2 windows, since Konsole has tabs, like all modern web browsers.

I like to see them all at a glance. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar)

David Haller

21 May 21 May

23:42

New subject: [opensuse] copy/mv in MC

Hello, On Wed, 18 May 2011, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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On 2011/05/18 16:25 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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By the way: use xterm for mc, not konsole or gnome-terminal - although xterm in 11.4 is buggy, it captures alt-enter. You have to update it to a newer version.

1-Why?

2-Xterm no good here. I've never figured out how to configure it to use legible fonts, or a white background.

not tooo hard... xterm -bg white -fg black

and "man xtermset" will give you similar options that are storable: excerpt: OPTIONS -store [<filename>] This option will save all the other command line options given to the filename. If filename is omitted then the options will be written to ~/.xtermsetrc.

-bg and -fg both available here

$ grep -i xterm ~/.Xresources [..] XTerm*boldFont: -misc-fixed-bold-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-70-iso10646-1 XTerm*Font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-70-iso10646-1 XTerm*background: black XTerm*foreground: white XTerm*ScrollBar: off XTerm*VisualBell: false XTerm.eightBitInput: true XTerm.eightBitOutput: true XTerm*geometry: 80x24 XTerm*jumpScroll: on XTerm*multiScroll: on XTerm*SaveLines: 10000 xterm*on2Clicks: word xterm*charClass: 33-46:33,47:33,58-64:33,91-96:33 The second last line define what get selected on double-click and the last line what characters are to be in the same class (differing from the default classes, see man -P'less "+/int charClass"' xterm)[1]. [1] darn, I need to get $ and () in differing classes, keep forgetting that. --

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Carlos E. R.

18 May 18 May

20:25

New subject: [opensuse] copy/mv in MC

On 2011-05-18 17:43, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2011/05/18 16:25 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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By the way: use xterm for mc, not konsole or gnome-terminal - although xterm in 11.4 is buggy, it captures alt-enter. You have to update it to a newer version.

1-Why?

Because most terminals try to do clever things with function keys, and I need all of them to be passed to mc.

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2-Xterm no good here. I've never figured out how to configure it to use legible fonts, or a white background.

Yes, xterm is more difficult to configure than others, but it is, nevertheless, very configurable, perhaps more than others. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar)

Charles Philip Chan

20:51

New subject: [opensuse] Re: copy/mv in MC

Felix Miata writes:

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2-Xterm no good here. I've never figured out how to configure it to use legible fonts, or a white background.

One way is to set them in your ~/.Xdefaults or ~/.Xresources and load them with xrdb from your ~/.profile. For example: ,----[ Sample Xresources ] | XTerm*background: white | XTerm*font: *-fixed-*-*-*-20-* `---- Charles -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)

Charles Philip Chan

15:44

New subject: [opensuse] Re: copy/mv in MC

"Carlos E. R." writes:

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By the way: use xterm for mc, not konsole or gnome-terminal - although xterm in 11.4 is buggy, it captures alt-enter. You have to update it to a newer version.

Or just use "%f" for the currently highlighted file. "%t" will pass a list of all currently tagged files. Charles -- "Oh, I've seen copies [of Linux Journal] around the terminal room at The Labs." (By Dennis Ritchie)

Carlos E. R.

20:23

New subject: [opensuse] Re: copy/mv in MC

On 2011-05-18 17:44, Charles Philip Chan wrote:

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Or just use "%f" for the currently highlighted file. "%t" will pass a list of all currently tagged files.

That is interesting. Where is the list of such tokens? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar)

Felix Miata

19 May 19 May

16:03

New subject: [opensuse] copy/mv in MC

On 2011/05/19 02:32 (GMT-0400) Larry Stotler composed:

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It's about shift state differences that depend on where you have MC opened, and how Carlos found out about ^F6 yesterday (which is ^F4 instead if running MC in a tty, except in runlevel 1), commenting in the bug before reporting his discovery in this thread. I meant to comment in the forward to you, but forgot before I clicked send. It was originally filed against 11.0, but predates it by years. IIRC, it already existed when I first discovered MC many moons ago.

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Ok. Well, it seems to work fine on my system. When I drop to Ctrl-Alt-F#, I can use shift-F6 and it gives me the filename(runlevel 5). I'm not sure how it worked because I never knew it was there(I WISH I had known). I'm running 11.0/x64.

On more than one system? Using which video chip(s)? With what output from /proc/cmdline? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David Haller

22 May 22 May

00:04

New subject: [opensuse] copy/mv in MC (was: Almost tossed...)

Hello, On Tue, 17 May 2011, Felix Miata wrote:

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I used to have that problem too when I first started using MC, but I found out there is a fairly easy way to avoid the retyping. You & Larry have obviously never read and understood https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=400552 Maybe you two could comment and we could get some action on it.

On the linux-console showkeys tells me, that F6 is keycode 64. $ dumpkeys | grep 'F6\|F18' keycode 64 = F6 F18 Console_18 string F6 = "\033[17~" string F18 = "\033[32~" That's because you usually have F1..F12, so it's logical to use F13..F24 for Shift F1..F12. In X, xev tells me that it's keycode 72, keysym F6 with and without shift. $ xmodmap -pke | grep 72 keycode 72 = F6 XF86Switch_VT_6 F6 XF86Switch_VT_6 F6 XF86Switch_VT_6 (that's my own ~/.Xmodmap, but default I think). And even if I temporarily redefine that using $ xmodmap -e 'keycode 72 = F6 F16' xev still tells me that it's F6 (and before that "Shift_R down"). mc only assumes F1..F10 to be available (with reason). So it seems to interpret shift-FN as F(N+10). And mc's keymap uses e.g. f16 for PanelRenameLocal, not "shift-f6". And on the linux-console, f16 is shift-f4. So, that's at least the explanation for the behaviour. You could fix that by mapping shift-F1..shift-F10 to F10..F20. I use ==== # function keys keycode 59 = F1 F13 keycode 60 = F2 F14 keycode 61 = F3 F15 keycode 62 = F4 F16 keycode 63 = F5 F17 keycode 64 = F6 F18 keycode 65 = F7 F19 keycode 66 = F8 F20 keycode 67 = F9 F21 keycode 68 = F10 F22 keycode 87 = F11 F23 keycode 88 = F12 F24 ==== in /etc/dnh.map (with KEYTABLE="/etc/dnh.map" in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard. So you could copy your keymap, change the F-N stuff and use that as map for the console. HTH, -dnh -- Hardware extracts your blood. Software extracts your sanity. -- Greg Andrews in the Monastery -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

02:54

New subject: [opensuse] copy/mv in MC

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Hello,

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So, that's at least the explanation for the behaviour.

Thank you! Thus it is indeed a bug in mc, isn't?

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You could fix that by mapping shift-F1..shift-F10 to F10..F20. I use

I just managed to train mc to those keys. There is a train option in the menu ("learn keys"). For each bad key, select it, press space, then the correct key. Now shift F6 works correctly, I think. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3Yeu8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Wf0QCeNqCDXP9M3B6897PzHEzihDCa f54AnRsrSur3lENXvqbVIAx8uWINCMBD =S1yj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David Haller

04:46

New subject: [opensuse] copy/mv in MC

Hello, On Sun, 22 May 2011, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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So, that's at least the explanation for the behaviour.

Thank you!

Welcome!

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Thus it is indeed a bug in mc, isn't?

Well, no and yes, not really, but somehow still. It's a configuration issue that probably could/should be handled better by mc. Oh, and BTW: yes, I get "delete" with a pristine 11.4 mc (default mc-keymap on the console as root) when pressing Shift+F6, and the "local" Move dialog with Shift+F4, as to be expected by my explanation.

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You could fix that by mapping shift-F1..shift-F10 to F10..F20. I use

I just managed to train mc to those keys. There is a train option in the menu ("learn keys"). For each bad key, select it, press space, then the correct key. Now shift F6 works correctly, I think.

Just remember: on the console, Shift+F(N) = F(N+12) and thus some specific escape sequence. Under X Shift+F(N) is "Shift+F(N)". How mc (or whatever) interprets that Shift+<KEY> under X is up to mc (or whatever). With mc, you should get a consistent behaviour by using mapping Shift+F(N) to F(N+10) for the console (instead of the default F(N+12)). I have no idea how this problem can be sanely be handled without compromising mc's portability... BTW: all this under an "up-to-date" 11.4, but with configurations carried over basically since 6.2[1]. HTH, -dnh PS: I got a nasty kbd problem under X on gentoo, e.g. "Alt+d" is recognised correctly in xemacs as A-d, so X does what it should, but in an xterm, it's just a 'd'. *sigh*. IIRC I had this problem once before with openSUSE 11.{1,2}, but fer cryin out loud, I can't remember the fix for that. It's not my ~/.Xmodmap, it's not the xorg.conf ... *ARGH* PS2: I can put my keymap / Xmodmap (both with us-base-layout + de-optimized 3rd/4th level) on my website, it should be rather easy to derive a es-variant of that. It took me about two weeks of consequent use to effectivly use that layout even with german texts with umlauts (which are on 3rd/4th level). By now, I'm faster at typing than anytime before. Ah, yes, I use Alt_L and Alt_R (aka AltGr) as Alt, and both "Windows" keys as Mode_switch aka AltGr aka ISO_Level3_switch (or whatever it's called). I've already got e.g. ñÑ on Mode_switch+n/N, but as *I* usually don't need accents, I haven't mapped those (but via Compose I can use them if needed). I've got äÄ€éïÏöÖüÜßßç© on aeiousc (3rd/4th). A spanish variant should be trivial ;) Oh, and I'd be willing to host any keymap/Xmodmap resulting of this! [1] the system was installed as 11.1/32bit, upgraded to 11.2/64bit and just a couple of days ago to 11.4/64bit with zypper and basically no trouble in the process. Just the usual misbehaviour of the standard packages (so I've already replaced e.g. xemacs[2]) and expected conflicts because of "taboo"'ed packages. But some configs (e.g. ~/.bashrc, ~/.xemacs/*, ~/.Xmodmap, /etc/dnh.map for loadkeys) are more or less adapted configs from my 6.2 system that I used till last October or so. [2] see home:dnh repo[3], but gnus doesn't work right with that, but I and a fellow xemacs (and opposed to me also gnus) user are on it. [3] http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dnh/ --

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Basil Chupin

18 May 18 May

04:17

On 18/05/11 10:09, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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So I tried again with Dolphin and got the same scsi aborts.

So don't trust dolphin on big file moves. I never do. I use 'mc'. However, you should scan the log for error, and try reseating the cable. Yep, using dolphin or nautilus to do large files is a no-brainer - always use mc, or the command line.

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auxsvr＠gmail.com

05:34

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I had to copy a 29 gigabyte file from a drive in an external firewire (scsi) enclosure to an internal hard drive.

So I connected the drive, selected open in dolphin, and dragged the file from the firewire to home directory.

I did this multiple times, because each time it would get some distance into the file and start throwing multiple firewire_bp2 scsi aborts into the log, and the disk light on the enclosure would go out and many minutes later the dolphin process would indicate a read error on the drive. It also seemed to get progressively slower and slower probably because it was spending so much time resetting the scsi bus.

Googling around there was some mention that Dolphin often had problems copying big files or many many files. Some of these are as recent as January.

So I opened a shell and copied the file manually and the drive never burped up a single scsi abort, the drive light never went off, and the entire file copied perfectly in one go.

So I tried again with Dolphin and got the same scsi aborts.

So don't trust dolphin on big file moves.

Regardless of the known kio_slave problems when moving files, your description indicates that there is a problem at the hardware/driver level, since errors are mentioned by the kernel SCSI layer. It seems that dolphin simply happened to trigger it this time. I would check the disk/enclosure for hardware errors, if I were you. There is no way for a userspace program to cause these, if the driver/hardware are operating normally. Regards, Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

20:15

On 5/17/2011 10:34 PM, auxsvr@gmail.com wrote:

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Regardless of the known kio_slave problems when moving files, your description indicates that there is a problem at the hardware/driver level, since errors are mentioned by the kernel SCSI layer.

Well, these errors are NEVER triggered at the command line cp operation, and the copy always completes uneventfully. As I mentioned, I ran the test several times, tailing the logs all the while. So removing the kio slaves from the equation eliminates the problem. That would indicate there is nothing wrong with the hardware, and indeed it has been operating fine for over a year, and has been connected to several different linux machines during that time. My sense is that kio has some timing that causes it to trigger a scsi bus reset when the drive is busy buffering a large read operation on a fragmented file system. Once it gets the above mentioned abort, it will never resume. copy command never triggers any scsi bus resets, and it simply lights up the drive and keeps it lit as it copies the file, and it never dumps a single log message. It sure looks to me like one userspace tool triggers log messages and the other doesn't. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

23:22

On 2011-05-18 22:15, John Andersen wrote:

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It sure looks to me like one userspace tool triggers log messages and the other doesn't.

Probably you should report this in bugzilla. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar)

j debert

19 May 19 May

20:45

On 05/18/2011 01:15 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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On 5/17/2011 10:34 PM, auxsvr@gmail.com wrote:

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Regardless of the known kio_slave problems when moving files, your description indicates that there is a problem at the hardware/driver level, since errors are mentioned by the kernel SCSI layer.

Well, these errors are NEVER triggered at the command line cp operation, and the copy always completes uneventfully.

As I mentioned, I ran the test several times, tailing the logs all the while.

So removing the kio slaves from the equation eliminates the problem. That would indicate there is nothing wrong with the hardware, and indeed it has been operating fine for over a year, and has been connected to several different linux machines during that time.

My sense is that kio has some timing that causes it to trigger a scsi bus reset when the drive is busy buffering a large read operation on a fragmented file system. Once it gets the above mentioned abort, it will never resume.

How many kio slaves are spawned to do the copying? I would suspect that the problem is not in the hardware but that the number of slaves spawned are overloading the io system and likely the hardware as well. It seems that certain apps spawn lots of kio slaves. Akregator does this and all that io firepower chokes a slow connection to death. Some others spawn so many that the wm crashes & dies. It is possible to have several apps spawn so many kio slaves simultaneously that they virtually stop the system dead. None of these apps allow the user to limit the number of slaves spawned and if you kill any the app just spawns new ones to replace them. jd -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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