On Saturday 17 January 2009 05:09:38 Jigish Gohil wrote:

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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xrdp is included on openSUSE 11.1 btw...

Check out: http://en.opensuse.org/Nomad

Cheers

-J

I saw a mention either on this list or on PlanetSuse. I installed Nomad, and though it looks very good with promise, I already have opened two bugs on it: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466668 - Cut and Paste not working https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466670 - Remote X connections into the Nomad desktop do not seem to be allowed So I am still stuck using FreeNX, not that its bad, but I was really excited to see Nomad... Michael -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:06:38PM -0600, Peter Van Lone wrote:

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xrdp is included on openSUSE 11.1 btw...

Check out: http://en.opensuse.org/Nomad

what is the relationship of XRDP to Nomad?

NOMAD is RDP with 3D extensions. You can basically to 3d stuff remotely. (like rotate desktops) Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:56:42AM -0600, Peter Van Lone wrote:

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:06:38PM -0600, Peter Van Lone wrote:

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xrdp is included on openSUSE 11.1 btw...

Check out: http://en.opensuse.org/Nomad

what is the relationship of XRDP to Nomad?

NOMAD is RDP with 3D extensions. You can basically to 3d stuff remotely. (like rotate desktops)

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why?

Remote rotating Desktops! Remote games! No idea actually ;) Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Jigish Gohil [01-18-09 10:22]:

Additional to effects, Nomad also provide session persistence, so we can just switch off client and reconnect where we left off.

Hummm, a graphical version of screen, and some? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Jigish Gohil wrote:

Check out: http://en.opensuse.org/Nomad

Cheers

-J

I'd rather not, it cripples compiz by destroying emerald. Or at least nomad has on every compiz upgrade that has been dumped in X11:/XGL or X11:/Compiz to date. Why would one want desktop effects over a remote connection anyway? The bandwidth requirements would kill any connection except rdp across a LAN. Even rdp connections across a lan with an 802.11b connection are jerky at best without event thinking about spinning the entire desktop around in circles. I wish the devs the best, but eliminating the bandwidth reality will be difficult work and breaking part of compiz that shipped with the distribution to do it is just plain ridiculous. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Okay, I'm trying this. I installed xrdp straight from the distro via yast. I then started the xrdp service via yast. I then tried to connect and I got login refused. Found http://en.opensuse.org/Nomad which notes: == If you using KDE, you may be need to execute: cp /etc/pam.d/xrdp-sesman /etc/pam.d/gdm Otherwise you get an error "Login failed" while trying connect to desktop. This bug was found in the openSUSE 11.1 release. == I did that and now I can connect and my login is accepted, but the connection log says "rdpx11 channel is not present". Is there something else I need to do? A firewall hole I need to open? Thanks Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Moby wrote:

Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Okay, I'm trying this.

I installed xrdp straight from the distro via yast.

I then started the xrdp service via yast.

I then tried to connect and I got login refused.

Found http://en.opensuse.org/Nomad which notes: == If you using KDE, you may be need to execute: cp /etc/pam.d/xrdp-sesman /etc/pam.d/gdm

Otherwise you get an error "Login failed" while trying connect to desktop. This bug was found in the openSUSE 11.1 release. ==

I did that and now I can connect and my login is accepted, but the connection log says "rdpx11 channel is not present".

Is there something else I need to do? A firewall hole I need to open?

Thanks Greg

Greg, check your /var/log/messages. I see the same symptoms as you do about the "rdpx11 channel is not present" - bot looking in /var/log/messages shows that x11rdp segfaulted. I think there is a bug about this segfault.

Regards,

-- --Moby

I too have a segfault in messages. I had been looking in xrdp-sesman.log and everything looked good there. Do we need to open a bugzilla? Thanks Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Moby wrote:

Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Moby wrote:

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Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Okay, I'm trying this.

I installed xrdp straight from the distro via yast.

I then started the xrdp service via yast.

I then tried to connect and I got login refused.

Found http://en.opensuse.org/Nomad which notes: == If you using KDE, you may be need to execute: cp /etc/pam.d/xrdp-sesman /etc/pam.d/gdm

Otherwise you get an error "Login failed" while trying connect to desktop. This bug was found in the openSUSE 11.1 release. ==

I did that and now I can connect and my login is accepted, but the connection log says "rdpx11 channel is not present".

Is there something else I need to do? A firewall hole I need to open?

Thanks Greg

Greg, check your /var/log/messages. I see the same symptoms as you do about the "rdpx11 channel is not present" - bot looking in /var/log/messages shows that x11rdp segfaulted. I think there is a bug about this segfault.

Regards,

-- --Moby

I too have a segfault in messages. I had been looking in xrdp-sesman.log and everything looked good there.

Do we need to open a bugzilla?

Thanks Greg

Definitely.

Thanks.

Done, see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467458 Moby, I only put in Win2008 as the connecting PC since that is all I had tested. If you now otherwise, please extend the bugzilla and don't forget to vote for it. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

Okay, I'm trying this.

I installed xrdp straight from the distro via yast.

I then started the xrdp service via yast.

I then tried to connect and I got login refused.

Found http://en.opensuse.org/Nomad which notes: == If you using KDE, you may be need to execute: cp /etc/pam.d/xrdp-sesman /etc/pam.d/gdm

Otherwise you get an error "Login failed" while trying connect to desktop. This bug was found in the openSUSE 11.1 release. ==

I did that and now I can connect and my login is accepted, but the connection log says "rdpx11 channel is not present".

Is there something else I need to do? A firewall hole I need to open?

zypper ar http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/hfiguiere:/Factory/openSUSE_... nomad zypper ref zypper up -t package -r nomad Cheers -J -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Wendell Nichols wrote:

Kai Ponte wrote:

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Jigish Gohil wrote:

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Check out: http://en.opensuse.org/Nomad

Cheers

-J

I'd rather not, it cripples compiz by destroying emerald. Or at least nomad has on every compiz upgrade that has been dumped in X11:/XGL or X11:/Compiz to date.

Why would one want desktop effects over a remote connection anyway?

Probably for terminal server emulation on LANs. Keep in mind that this may be used in corporate (gigabit) environments where you can have applications - and entire desktops - sent over the wire.

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The bandwidth requirements would kill any connection except rdp across a LAN.

Yeah, you should see what YouTube does on our WAN! :P

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Even rdp connections across a lan with an 802.11b connection are jerky at best without event thinking about spinning the entire desktop around in circles.

I wish the devs the best, but eliminating the bandwidth reality will be difficult work and breaking part of compiz that shipped with the distribution to do it is just plain ridiculous.

I use the nxserver/client (all day every day) over a vpn. Its ok, but the client locks up and has to be killed and restarted a couple or 3 times a day. has anyone enough experience with Nomad to say whether it is competitive with NX? The main criteria would be performance over the internet. wcn

I use RDP all day long when telecommuting. I had tried both NX client and VNC (for years!) but just love the reliability and stability and speed of RDP. -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Andrew Joakimsen wrote:

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 00:01, Kai Ponte wrote:

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Being a windows / linux user, I would like to just use one protocol to connect to remote systems. I always use RDP to connect to my wintendo clients: http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/remote.jpg

I particularly do this as I often work at home. I have been - until now - forced to use NX Client or VNC to connect to my Linux boxes. Though functional, they are always lacking in my mind. Plus I like having one interface - the RDC client on Windows - to connect.

I just read an article in Linux Magazine (december issue - http://www.linux-magazine.com/issues/2008/97/seamless_integration ) about XRDP.

I went and downloaded it from the home page: http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/

I compiled, ran checkinstall, and installed the rpm. Sure enough - after a few config tweaks mentioned in the article - I'm up and running on RDP: http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2009/20080116_xrdp_opensuse.jpg

Very cool!

How is the optimization of the protocol? IMO VNC is very inefficient/bandwidth intensive/slow vs RDP which actually can run really "smooth."

Does this continue to be the case when the server is a Linux machine? Or is the opensource implementing "not as good?"

Well, my SOTP reaction is that it is faster and more responsive. I've just done some testing on my home LAN with my desktop and laptop. The laptop running VNC was painfully slow. The laptop running NX was better but not what I'd hope. The laptop running RDP was very quick. Kudos to Citrix for coming up with this. (I used to be a Citrix admin back in the '90s.) -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 18 January 2009 08:17:22 Kai Ponte wrote: [...]

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I compiled, ran checkinstall, and installed the rpm. Sure enough - after a few config tweaks mentioned in the article - I'm up and running on RDP: http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2009/20080116_xrdp_opensuse.jpg

Very cool!

How is the optimization of the protocol? IMO VNC is very inefficient/bandwidth intensive/slow vs RDP which actually can run really "smooth."

Does this continue to be the case when the server is a Linux machine? Or is the opensource implementing "not as good?"

Well, my SOTP reaction is that it is faster and more responsive. I've just done some testing on my home LAN with my desktop and laptop.

The laptop running VNC was painfully slow. The laptop running NX was better but not what I'd hope. The laptop running RDP was very quick. [...]

I would concur with this. I tried installing from the rpm on OBS but the x server packages that it depends on conflicted with the version installed on my machine (and I was doing the installation remotely via ssh). Downloading and installing from source was painless and worked straight "out-of-the-box" following the steps listed in the magazine article. I'm now sending this using KMail (kde4) running in a kde3 session via rdp to my laptop over a w-lan connection to my desktop (which my wife is currently using to do some work stuff). I'm also still logged onto the desktop so, currently running on that machine there are 3 x sessions: 1x kde4 (me logged on locally on vt 7) 1x kde3 (wife logged on locally on vt 8) 1x remote (rdp) kde3 session (me on laptop running mstsc on WinXP). I actually can't tell the difference in responsiveness between the local and remote sessions. Impressive. Where is the wiki page that needs updating? I'll be happy to write up the steps that I did to install it and get it working if it would help. Regards, -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ===================================================

On Tuesday 20 January 2009 14:43:47 Rajko M. wrote:

On Sunday 18 January 2009 06:12:02 am Rodney Baker wrote: ...

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Where is the wiki page that needs updating? I'll be happy to write up the steps that I did to install it and get it working if it would help.

There is whole new page for you :-)

In http://en.opensuse.org/Nomad#See_Also The link "Example of Nomad installation using source code" is link to the new page: http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Nomad/Installation_using_source&acti on=edit

Have a fun!

PS. I guess that new article is better option, then editing existing one, to keep main one clean and easy to read.

-- Regards, Rajko

OK, thanks. I'll get to it on the weekend sometime. Regards, Rodney. -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ===================================================