[opensuse] Wireless mouse battery life [OT?]
Hi, I have a Fujitsu Siemens "Mini RF.Mouse" wireless mouse connected to my laptop via its own USB dongle. First I used "normal" 1,5V AAA-type batteries and max. 2 weeks they were empty. Now I'm using rechargeable 1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs of daily work. The system is SUSE 9.1... My question concerns the following: my brother uses the very same type of mouse and his lasts on the Win* platform for 2-3 _months_ with daily 1-2 hrs of use. We tried to exchange mice, but they behaviour the same, so likely no hardware is defected. How this huge time difference is possible? We checked also the batteries, but maybe the mouse background is also an important point. e.g. I use a pretty white and almost flat plate now, where sometimes I see my pointer shaking, without even touching the mouse. (This behaviour didn't happen on the laptop of my brother, when using _my_ mouse & background.) In the case of my brother's laptop the USB ports are at the side where he uses the mouse (right side), but my Acer has ports only on the another, left side. Could that 15cm->40cm (~3x) make such decre- ase in the battery life(s)? Did anyone test the same mouse/battery combo on various SUSE rele- ases? Was there some improvement visible? I would be interested mainly in a comparison of 9.x and 10.x. The same question as arose earlier, is anyone aware of a huge difference between Win* vs. SUSE? Thanks for any comments/ideas to improve the lifetime of my batteries and would also appreciate any weblink on this topic to have a general idea, which kind of background would be the best, etc. Thank you, Pelibali -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-03-13 at 14:25 +0100, pelibali wrote:
but maybe the mouse background is also an important point. e.g. I use a pretty white and almost flat plate now, where sometimes I see my pointer shaking, without even touching the mouse.
I guess that's the problem: the mouse has to transmitt that movement, wasting battery. Why it shakes in Linux, I have no idea... I don't know how it works internally, how it detects movement. You'd need to contact the developpers. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF9qqjtTMYHG2NR9URAlBXAKCGR0ymcmyacfNaXy10JaO7B1GfbQCeMDf3 JV4b01WSM9M07ueIX7b22ck= =rW/o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
pelibali wrote:
1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs of daily work. The system is SUSE 9.1...
my daughter stopped using such mice for that reason (and always on windows :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
pelibali wrote:
In the case of my brother's laptop the USB ports are at the side where he uses the mouse (right side), but my Acer has ports only on the another, left side. Could that 15cm->40cm (~3x) make such decre- ase in the battery life(s)?
That is the only thing that makes sense. I would try using a usb extension cable to locate the usb dongle on the same side as the mouse and see. I guess it would take a few weeks to figure out if it helped, but electronically that is the only thing that makes sense. Have you tried swapping the dongle, perhaps it is underpowered or something. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
pelibali wrote:
In the case of my brother's laptop the USB ports are at the side where he uses the mouse (right side), but my Acer has ports only on the another, left side. Could that 15cm->40cm (~3x) make such decre- ase in the battery life(s)?
Also one other thought. Are your laptop's usb ports full power, i.e they put out 500mA? Some laptop USB are underpowered. I really do not think this will be linux related at all. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
pelibali wrote:
Hi,
I have a Fujitsu Siemens "Mini RF.Mouse" wireless mouse connected to my laptop via its own USB dongle. First I used "normal" 1,5V AAA-type batteries and max. 2 weeks they were empty. Now I'm using rechargeable 1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs of daily work. The system is SUSE 9.1...
My question concerns the following: my brother uses the very same type of mouse and his lasts on the Win* platform for 2-3 _months_ with daily 1-2 hrs of use. We tried to exchange mice, but they behaviour the same, so likely no hardware is defected. How this huge time difference is possible? We checked also the batteries, but maybe the mouse background is also an important point. e.g. I use a pretty white and almost flat plate now, where sometimes I see my pointer shaking, without even touching the mouse. (This behaviour didn't happen on the laptop of my brother, when using _my_ mouse & background.) In the case of my brother's laptop the USB ports are at the side where he uses the mouse (right side), but my Acer has ports only on the another, left side. Could that 15cm->40cm (~3x) make such decre- ase in the battery life(s)?
Did you try your brother's laptop with your mouse pad in the place where you normally use your laptop? There's one other mechanism I can think of that can cause mouse jitter. Some optical mice can be sensitive to external light reflected by the mouse pad, typically from fluorescent lights. I used to see this with old Sun mice. You could try using a different mouse pad (e.g. dark neoprene) or changing the lighting to see if it makes a difference. But you definitely need to find out why your mouse is jittering and stop it. As Carlos said, it's using power every time it jitters. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 10:41, Dave Howorth wrote:
pelibali wrote:
Hi,
I have a Fujitsu Siemens "Mini RF.Mouse" wireless mouse connected to my laptop via its own USB dongle. First I used "normal" 1,5V AAA-type batteries and max. 2 weeks they were empty. Now I'm using rechargeable 1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs of daily work. The system is SUSE 9.1...
My question concerns the following: my brother uses the very same type of mouse and his lasts on the Win* platform for 2-3 _months_ with daily 1-2 hrs of use. We tried to exchange mice, but they behaviour the same, so likely no hardware is defected. How this huge time difference is possible? We checked also the batteries, but maybe the mouse background is also an important point. e.g. I use a pretty white and almost flat plate now, where sometimes I see my pointer shaking, without even touching the mouse. (This behaviour didn't happen on the laptop of my brother, when using _my_ mouse & background.) In the case of my brother's laptop the USB ports are at the side where he uses the mouse (right side), but my Acer has ports only on the another, left side. Could that 15cm->40cm (~3x) make such decre- ase in the battery life(s)?
Did you try your brother's laptop with your mouse pad in the place where you normally use your laptop? There's one other mechanism I can think of that can cause mouse jitter. Some optical mice can be sensitive to external light reflected by the mouse pad, typically from fluorescent lights. I used to see this with old Sun mice. You could try using a different mouse pad (e.g. dark neoprene) or changing the lighting to see if it makes a difference.
But you definitely need to find out why your mouse is jittering and stop it. As Carlos said, it's using power every time it jitters.
Cheers, Dave
This is my second reply, but I've thought of something else. The mouse is probably using Bluetooth RF, and the mouse needs feedback from the receiver so it knows where it is--i.e., it has its own receiver in it. If there is some kind of jamming, from either another Bluetooth device (that's not _supposed_ to happen) or from a baby-monitor, or some other FCC part 15 device, then your communication from the computer to the mouse and back will be spotty, and a much higher duty-cycle will be needed to get the information thru. Short of using a spectrum analyzer, the only way to verify this for yourself, (unless you know you have your own equipment that could be jamming and turn that equipment off) is to take your whole setup over to your brother, and borrow his, and put it in your place, and see what happens. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
pelibali wrote:
batteries and max. 2 weeks they were empty. Now I'm using rechargeable 1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs I am using a Logitech trackball wireless mouse on my PC tower and a wired version on my son's notebook PC. The battery in the wireless seems to last about 3 to 6 months.
Is your mouse optical? Damon Register -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 09:54, Damon Register wrote:
pelibali wrote:
batteries and max. 2 weeks they were empty. Now I'm using rechargeable 1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs
I am using a Logitech trackball wireless mouse on my PC tower and a wired version on my son's notebook PC. The battery in the wireless seems to last about 3 to 6 months.
I'm using a Targus optical mouse, which is powered by 2 AAA batteries. A new set of Duracells typically last a couple of days. I just use rechargeables, and have one set recharging while the other set is in the mouse. They go about a year before they need to be replaced. -- Bob Smits bob@rsmits.ca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 13 March 2007, Robert Smits wrote:
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 09:54, Damon Register wrote:
pelibali wrote:
batteries and max. 2 weeks they were empty. Now I'm using rechargeable 1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs
I am using a Logitech trackball wireless mouse on my PC tower and a wired version on my son's notebook PC. The battery in the wireless seems to last about 3 to 6 months.
I'm using a Targus optical mouse, which is powered by 2 AAA batteries. A new set of Duracells typically last a couple of days. I just use rechargeables, and have one set recharging while the other set is in the mouse. They go about a year before they need to be replaced.
Yikes. couple days? Throw that thing away and get a Logitech wireless optical. My wife got one for christmas and she till has not replaced the batteries. She uses it for a couple hours every day and can't be bothered to shut it off. It has some auto-power save mode built in. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 13 March 2007, Robert Smits wrote:
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 09:54, Damon Register wrote:
pelibali wrote:
batteries and max. 2 weeks they were empty. Now I'm using rechargeable 1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs
I am using a Logitech trackball wireless mouse on my PC tower and a wired version on my son's notebook PC. The battery in the wireless seems to last about 3 to 6 months.
I'm using a Targus optical mouse, which is powered by 2 AAA batteries. A new set of Duracells typically last a couple of days. I just use rechargeables, and have one set recharging while the other set is in the mouse. They go about a year before they need to be replaced.
Yikes. couple days? Throw that thing away and get a Logitech wireless optical. My wife got one for christmas and she till has not replaced the batteries. She uses it for a couple hours every day and can't be bothered to shut it off. It has some auto-power save mode built in.
I use a Logitec cordless optical mouse with two batteries. It typically lasts two or three months with continuous usage by me and my wife.
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On Tuesday 13 March 2007 22:21, Robert Lewis wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 13 March 2007, Robert Smits wrote:
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 09:54, Damon Register wrote:
pelibali wrote:
batteries and max. 2 weeks they were empty. Now I'm using rechargeable 1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs
I am using a Logitech trackball wireless mouse on my PC tower and a wired version on my son's notebook PC. The battery in the wireless seems to last about 3 to 6 months.
I'm using a Targus optical mouse, which is powered by 2 AAA batteries. A new set of Duracells typically last a couple of days. I just use rechargeables, and have one set recharging while the other set is in the mouse. They go about a year before they need to be replaced.
Yikes. couple days? Throw that thing away and get a Logitech wireless optical. My wife got one for christmas and she till has not replaced the batteries. She uses it for a couple hours every day and can't be bothered to shut it off. It has some auto-power save mode built in.
I use a Logitec cordless optical mouse with two batteries. It typically lasts two or three months with continuous usage by me and my wife.
For those who like trackballs (I'm one) why not just plug one in? Since they don't use desk space, you're not hauling the cord around obstacles, etc. I don't care for the Logitek, I think the ball is too small and in the wrong place. I have 2 Kensington optical wired t/b's and they work fine. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 17:41, John Andersen wrote:
Yikes. couple days? Throw that thing away and get a Logitech wireless optical. My wife got one for christmas and she till has not replaced the batteries. She uses it for a couple hours every day and can't be bothered to shut it off. It has some auto-power save mode built in.
Why would I do that? It's about 30 hours of use, and costs me nothing but a little bit of electricity. It's a nice mouse. Bob -- Bob Smits Ph 250-245-2553 Fax 250-245-5531 E-mail bob@rsmits.ca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Robert Smits wrote:
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 17:41, John Andersen wrote:
Yikes. couple days? Throw that thing away and get a Logitech wireless optical. My wife got one for christmas and she till has not replaced the batteries. She uses it for a couple hours every day and can't be bothered to shut it off. It has some auto-power save mode built in.
Why would I do that? It's about 30 hours of use, and costs me nothing but a little bit of electricity. It's a nice mouse.
Bob
We bought a couple cheapie wireless keyboard/mouse combos from Wally World back before Christmas. My better half uses hers almost everyday and hasn't had to replace any batteries. I haven't tried mine 'cause I don't know if we can use them so close together. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 13 March 07 20:41, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 13 March 2007, Robert Smits wrote:
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 09:54, Damon Register wrote:
pelibali wrote:
batteries and max. 2 weeks they were empty. Now I'm using rechargeable 1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs
I am using a Logitech trackball wireless mouse on my PC tower and a wired version on my son's notebook PC. The battery in the wireless seems to last about 3 to 6 months.
I'm using a Targus optical mouse, which is powered by 2 AAA batteries. A new set of Duracells typically last a couple of days. I just use rechargeables, and have one set recharging while the other set is in the mouse. They go about a year before they need to be replaced.
Yikes. couple days? Throw that thing away and get a Logitech wireless optical. My wife got one for christmas and she till has not replaced the batteries. She uses it for a couple hours every day and can't be bothered to shut it off. It has some auto-power save mode built in.
I also use a Logitech Trackball (Trackman Wheel), and the battery (single AA) lasts anywhere from 3 to 5 months, and that's using the thing usually more than 12 hours a day every day of the year, darn near it, heh. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
batteries and max. 2 weeks they were empty. Now I'm using rechargeable 1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs I am using a Logitech trackball wireless mouse on my PC tower and a wired version on my son's notebook PC. The battery in the wireless seems to last about 3 to 6 months. I'm using a Targus optical mouse, which is powered by 2 AAA batteries. A new set of Duracells typically last a couple of days. I just use rechargeables, and have one set recharging while the other set is in the mouse. They go about a year before they need to be replaced. Yikes. couple days? Throw that thing away and get a Logitech wireless optical. My wife got one for christmas and she till has not replaced the batteries. She uses it for a couple hours every day and can't be bothered to shut it off. It has some auto-power save mode built in.
Agree, the Logitech Mouseman is the way to go. I use it all day and replace the batteries about every six - nine months. And openSUSE will even display the mouse's battery status in the task bar. --- Consultant - http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com Developer - http://www.opengroupware.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 13 March 2007, pelibali wrote:
Hi,
I have a Fujitsu Siemens "Mini RF.Mouse" wireless mouse connected to my laptop via its own USB dongle. First I used "normal" 1,5V AAA-type batteries and max. 2 weeks they were empty. Now I'm using rechargeable 1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs of daily work. The system is SUSE 9.1...
My question concerns the following: my brother uses the very same type of mouse and his lasts on the Win* platform for 2-3 _months_ with daily 1-2 hrs of use. We tried to exchange mice, but they behaviour the same, so likely no hardware is defected. How this huge time difference is possible? We checked also the batteries, but maybe the mouse background is also an important point. e.g. I use a pretty white and almost flat plate now, where sometimes I see my pointer shaking, without even touching the mouse. (This behaviour didn't happen on the laptop of my brother, when using _my_ mouse & background.) In the case of my brother's laptop the USB ports are at the side where he uses the mouse (right side), but my Acer has ports only on the another, left side. Could that 15cm->40cm (~3x) make such decre- ase in the battery life(s)?
Did anyone test the same mouse/battery combo on various SUSE rele- ases? Was there some improvement visible? I would be interested mainly in a comparison of 9.x and 10.x. The same question as arose earlier, is anyone aware of a huge difference between Win* vs. SUSE?
Thanks for any comments/ideas to improve the lifetime of my batteries and would also appreciate any weblink on this topic to have a general idea, which kind of background would be the best, etc.
Thank you, Pelibali
does this mouse require the rf dongle to be clipped under the mouse when not in use as it does on the Logitech i have that is almost a year old and still on the same pair of AA cles i installed when it was given to me last year i use it every day on my laptop running suse 10.2 and most evenings .. Pete . -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 13 March 2007, peter nikolic wrote:
On Tuesday 13 March 2007, pelibali wrote:
Hi,
I have a Fujitsu Siemens "Mini RF.Mouse" wireless mouse connected to my laptop via its own USB dongle. First I used "normal" 1,5V AAA-type batteries and max. 2 weeks they were empty. Now I'm using rechargeable 1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs of daily work. The system is SUSE 9.1...
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does this mouse require the rf dongle to be clipped under the mouse when not in use as it does on the Logitech i have that is almost a year old and still on the same pair of AA cles i installed when it was given to me last year i use it every day on my laptop running suse 10.2 and most evenings ..
The point of the clipping that Peter mentions is that this often turns off the mouse for travel. Other mice have switches. Since the OP has a laptop, I wonder if he dumps the mouse in the bag with the computer only to have its buttons depressed constantly while in the bag, wasting battery? I have a wireless targus mouse sitting here that had that problem. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
Hi, On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:19:33 -0900 John Andersen <.> wrote:
does this mouse require the rf dongle to be clipped under the mouse when not in use as it does on the Logitech i have that is almost a year old and still on the same pair of AA cles i installed when it was given to me last year i use it every day on my laptop running suse 10.2 and most evenings ..
The point of the clipping that Peter mentions is that this often turns off the mouse for travel. Other mice have switches.
Since the OP has a laptop, I wonder if he dumps the mouse in the bag with the computer only to have its buttons depressed constantly while in the bag, wasting battery?
Thanks for all of your answers; there are plenty of things to check/ measure/etc! My mouse is an optical one as it was asked and has a little switch on its bottom side. It's always just turned ON, when it is in use, otherwise it's OFF! All the day the whole stuff is on my desk and if it would get temporally into a bag or something, the mouse would be anyway OFF. (+ the mouse travels in its original plastic wrap, where there is no way to push any buttons!) I have a three years old Acer TravelMate 803LMiB having Bluetooth as well. Maybe they really interfere with the mouse's dongle, later running at 27MHz as stated on its bottom side. This I will check first, because when patched my 2.6.5 kernel to use a BT headset, had serious quality problems and maybe that disturbing signals originally "came" from my mouse's hard- ware... In addition I would consider not to make any bug reports for the oldie Acer laptop, because nobody would care! It's _old_ and during the first week WinXP was erased from it, so was in fact never used "as it should be". Acer would even not think that anyone just keeping all the genuine M$ recovery-type media in the cupboard; far away from the production sys- tem. Pelibali:) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 09:25, pelibali wrote:
Hi,
I have a Fujitsu Siemens "Mini RF.Mouse" wireless mouse connected to my laptop via its own USB dongle. First I used "normal" 1,5V AAA-type batteries and max. 2 weeks they were empty. Now I'm using rechargeable 1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs of daily work. The system is SUSE 9.1...
My question concerns the following: my brother uses the very same type of mouse and his lasts on the Win* platform for 2-3 _months_ with daily 1-2 hrs of use. We tried to exchange mice, but they behaviour the same, so likely no hardware is defected. How this huge time difference is possible? We checked also the batteries, but maybe the mouse background is also an important point. e.g. I use a pretty white and almost flat plate now, where sometimes I see my pointer shaking, without even touching the mouse. (This behaviour didn't happen on the laptop of my brother, when using _my_ mouse & background.) In the case of my brother's laptop the USB ports are at the side where he uses the mouse (right side), but my Acer has ports only on the another, left side. Could that 15cm->40cm (~3x) make such decre- ase in the battery life(s)?
Did anyone test the same mouse/battery combo on various SUSE rele- ases? Was there some improvement visible? I would be interested mainly in a comparison of 9.x and 10.x. The same question as arose earlier, is anyone aware of a huge difference between Win* vs. SUSE?
Thanks for any comments/ideas to improve the lifetime of my batteries and would also appreciate any weblink on this topic to have a general idea, which kind of background would be the best, etc.
Thank you, Pelibali
I'm not sure the background has any effect, but you could easily test that-- change it to black for a few days and see what happens. What I suspect is the case, is that the software (or firmware) that runs the mouse has a much higher duty-cycle at your machine, whether it's the BIOS, the video card, or Linux, I couldn't venture an opinion. If you could temporarily set up Linux on your brother's laptop (the same version you use) and then test, you could determine. if it's hardware or Linux. If it turns out to be hardware, you should alert the manufacturers of your machine and its video card. (And the mouse!) They will certainly want to know, since most of their customers are using Windows, where the problem will also exist. If it turns out the other way--Linux--you should file a bug report. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Doug McGarrett wrote:
temporarily set up Linux on your brother's laptop (the same version you use) and then test, you could determine. if it's hardware or Linux. If it turns out to be hardware, you should alert the manufacturers of your machine and its video card. (And the mouse!) They will certainly want to know, since most of their customers are using Windows, where the problem will also exist. If it turns out the other way--Linux--you should file a bug report.
A slightly more convenient variation on this would be to run Knoppix or similar on your machine, and if the problem occurs with that, try it on your brother's PC. That would avoid the installation. BTW, bear in mind that optical mice don't like blue things. They absorb all the red light and confuse the mouse. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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