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jdd

1 Jul 2008 1 Jul '08

18:49

can somebody summarise what are dolphin and konqueror respectively? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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clarkt＠cnsp.com

1 Jul 1 Jul

18:57

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can somebody summarise what are dolphin and konqueror respectively? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- Both are file managers. Dolphin is based on qt4 and the new kde4 interface. konqueror is based on kde3.

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Clayton

19:03

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can somebody summarise what are dolphin and konqueror respectively? thanks

Both are file managers. Dolphin is based on qt4 and the new kde4 interface. konqueror is based on kde3.

Dolphin has more features than Konqueror. Some are quite nice. It has dockable panels.. I particularly like the terminal panel. The information panel can be quite useful as well. A side effect of the panels is that it takes up more screen real estate if you turn them all on... can be a problem on lower resolutions.. but you don't have to have them on.. just as easy to turn off and then it's just a normal file manager. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

19:28

On Tuesday 01 July 2008 20:49:04 jdd wrote:

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can somebody summarise what are dolphin and konqueror respectively? thanks

konqueror is an all in one solution. It is a file manager, a web browser, a document viewer and a few other things that I rarely use dolphin on the other hand is only a file manager. It is the idea of the developers that if they focus on that one thing, they will be able to do it better. Sort of like the unix ideal of "do one thing and do it well", but many people prefer the all-in-one approach of konqi It's a matter of taste, really. Konqueror isn't likely to go away anytime soon, so choose what you prefer Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

jdd sur free

21:15

Anders Johansson a écrit :

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people prefer the all-in-one approach of konqi

I do

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It's a matter of taste, really. Konqueror isn't likely to go away anytime soon, so choose what you prefer

I was afraid to see dolphin replace konq with less features thanks jdd -- Jean-Daniel Dodin Président du CULTe www.culte.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Moiseev

2 Jul 2 Jul

12:52

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It's a matter of taste, really. Konqueror isn't likely to go away anytime soon, so >>choose what you prefer I was afraid to see dolphin replace konq with less features

Konqueror is not compenig with dolphin. You can think of konqueror as of wrapper shell for many other kde programs, which provide "kpart" interface. For example, you can view pdf files in kpdf stanadlone program and you can also view pdf files inside konqueror, but konqueror do not implement its own pdf renderer - it just uses the same kpdf program in "kpart" mode. There are many other kparts, which can be intergrated in konqueror - even koffice has one as far as I remeber. But in kde3 file management function was built in konqueror - now in kde4 it was moved to separate standalone application dolphin, and konqueror is using dolphin dolphin kpart for file management. Now if I understand correctly, the only konqueror-specific feature left is web browser - there is no standard standalone kde browser living outside konqueror. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

jdd sur free

17:20

Anton Moiseev a écrit :

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remeber. But in kde3 file management function was built in konqueror - now in kde4 it was moved to separate standalone application dolphin, and konqueror is using dolphin dolphin kpart for file management.

ok, I see, pretty nice jdd -- Jean-Daniel Dodin Président du CULTe www.culte.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

3 Jul 3 Jul

04:43

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Anton Moiseev wrote:

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It's a matter of taste, really. Konqueror isn't likely to go away anytime soon, so >>choose what you prefer I was afraid to see dolphin replace konq with less features

Konqueror is not compenig with dolphin.

To hell it isn't. Dolphin has all but pushed Kong off the desktop in KDE4. Its almost impossible to find the filemanager part of Kong in KDE4. -- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Jonathan Ervine

05:56

On Thursday 03 July 2008 12:43:01 John Andersen wrote:

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To hell it isn't. Dolphin has all but pushed Kong off the desktop in KDE4. Its almost impossible to find the filemanager part of Kong in KDE4.

Eh? Simply launch konqueror, and then type in / in the address bar... And I still have the shortcut to File Manager - Super User Mode (Konqueror in my menu). Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

JB2

14:51

On 03 July 08, Jonathan Ervine wrote:

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On Thursday 03 July 2008 12:43:01 John Andersen wrote:

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To hell it isn't. Dolphin has all but pushed Kong off the desktop in KDE4. Its almost impossible to find the filemanager part of Kong in KDE4.

Eh? Simply launch konqueror, and then type in / in the address bar...

Most new users to linux will not have any idea that that can be done. *I* didn't know that can be done and I've been using SuSE since 7.3. -- "...a strict observance of the written laws is doubtless ONE of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not THE HIGHEST. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means." - Thomas Jefferson, September 20, 1810 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Bogdan Cristea

06:31

On Thursday 03 July 2008 07:43:01 John Andersen wrote:

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On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Anton Moiseev wrote:

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It's a matter of taste, really. Konqueror isn't likely to go away anytime soon, so >>choose what you prefer

I was afraid to see dolphin replace konq with less features

Konqueror is not compenig with dolphin.

To hell it isn't. Dolphin has all but pushed Kong off the desktop in KDE4. Its almost impossible to find the filemanager part of Kong in KDE4.

-- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me".

Just wondering: Dolphin has the tagging facility? (browse using several tags like in Konqueror). I miss also the embedded viewer. In both Dolphin and Konqueror when I click on a text file xemacs is used to open that file (and it seems significantly slower than the embedded viewer) -- Bogdan Cristea -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott

12:21

Bogdan Cristea wrote:

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On Thursday 03 July 2008 07:43:01 John Andersen wrote:

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On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Anton Moiseev wrote:

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It's a matter of taste, really. Konqueror isn't likely to go away anytime soon, so >>choose what you prefer

I was afraid to see dolphin replace konq with less features

Konqueror is not compenig with dolphin.

To hell it isn't. Dolphin has all but pushed Kong off the desktop in KDE4. Its almost impossible to find the filemanager part of Kong in KDE4.

-- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me".

Just wondering: Dolphin has the tagging facility? (browse using several tags like in Konqueror).

I miss also the embedded viewer. In both Dolphin and Konqueror when I click on a text file xemacs is used to open that file (and it seems significantly slower than the embedded viewer)

This is another KDE4 "improvement". Don't you just love it when developers get so full of themselves, that everything they produce is a work of genius? -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider

12:57

James Knott pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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Bogdan Cristea wrote:

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On Thursday 03 July 2008 07:43:01 John Andersen wrote:

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On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Anton Moiseev wrote:

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It's a matter of taste, really. Konqueror isn't likely to go away anytime soon, so >>choose what you prefer

I was afraid to see dolphin replace konq with less features

Konqueror is not compenig with dolphin.

To hell it isn't. Dolphin has all but pushed Kong off the desktop in KDE4. Its almost impossible to find the filemanager part of Kong in KDE4.

-- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me".

Just wondering: Dolphin has the tagging facility? (browse using several tags like in Konqueror).

I miss also the embedded viewer. In both Dolphin and Konqueror when I click on a text file xemacs is used to open that file (and it seems significantly slower than the embedded viewer)

This is another KDE4 "improvement". Don't you just love it when developers get so full of themselves, that everything they produce is a work of genius?

I think they are succeeding in making it like Vista, including the dog slow part. Oh and with the updates it is getting better ( if you look past the slow part that is ) but one still cannot add an icon to the desktop or taskbar when using the better/faster classic app launcher. new <> improved -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Bogdan Cristea

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On Thursday 03 July 2008 15:57:22 Ken Schneider wrote:

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James Knott pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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Bogdan Cristea wrote:

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> It's a matter of taste, really. Konqueror isn't likely to go away > anytime soon, so >>choose what you prefer

I was afraid to see dolphin replace konq with less features

Konqueror is not compenig with dolphin.

To hell it isn't. Dolphin has all but pushed Kong off the desktop in KDE4. Its almost impossible to find the filemanager part of Kong in KDE4.

-- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me".

Just wondering: Dolphin has the tagging facility? (browse using several tags like in Konqueror).

I miss also the embedded viewer. In both Dolphin and Konqueror when I click on a text file xemacs is used to open that file (and it seems significantly slower than the embedded viewer)

This is another KDE4 "improvement". Don't you just love it when developers get so full of themselves, that everything they produce is a work of genius?

I think they are succeeding in making it like Vista, including the dog slow part.

Oh and with the updates it is getting better ( if you look past the slow part that is ) but one still cannot add an icon to the desktop or taskbar when using the better/faster classic app launcher.

new <> improved

-- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998

There are some good sides of KDE4. I have found the graphical interface better even if it's slower than in KDE3.5. Just another thing. Does anyone know how to set in the Terminal Window the default profile so that the green font is used on black background? Till now I change that each time I start my PC. -- Bogdan Cristea -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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There are some good sides of KDE4. I have found the graphical interface better even if it's slower than in KDE3.5. Me, I luv it. And I can use it with all its shortcomings. I know exactly where I sit with it. Which I why I run the 4.1 beta.

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Just another thing. Does anyone know how to set in the Terminal Window the default profile so that the green font is used on black background? Till now I change that each time I start my PC. Make sure that ~/.kde4/share/apps/konsole/Shell.profile contains the correct 'ColorScheme' under Appearance. Mine is below. Log out of KDE and ceck from the console that the contents of the file have not changed.

[Appearance] ColorScheme=BlackOnLightYellow HTH ne... -- Diogenes - "What I like to drink most is wine that belongs to others." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton

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Oh and with the updates it is getting better ( if you look past the slow part that is ) but one still cannot add an icon to the desktop or taskbar when using the better/faster classic app launcher.

I don't have any problem adding apps to the task bar or dropping icons on the desktop in KDE4. Drag.. drop... works fine, and I am also using the classic app launcher. C> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider

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Clayton pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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Oh and with the updates it is getting better ( if you look past the slow part that is ) but one still cannot add an icon to the desktop or taskbar when using the better/faster classic app launcher.

I don't have any problem adding apps to the task bar or dropping icons on the desktop in KDE4. Drag.. drop... works fine, and I am also using the classic app launcher.

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I couldn't get it to work when I first switched to the classic launcher, but once I logged out and back in it started to work, go figure. Now if they could only work on getting all of the icons ( oops, widgets ) to be the same size. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Moiseev

15:18

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I miss also the embedded viewer. In both Dolphin and Konqueror when I click on a text file xemacs is used to open that file (and it seems significantly slower than the embedded viewer)

This is another KDE4 "improvement". Don't you just love it when developers get so full of themselves, that everything they produce is a work of genius?

This works in the same way in kde3 and in kde4 - open text file properties dialog, click on the "wrench" small button on the right in the "Type:" row, in the opened "Edit file type text/plain" dialog go to "Embedding" tab and click "Show file in the embedded viewer" option and don't forget to check that "Embedded advanced text editor (katepart)" is on top of the "Service preference order" list. Since that moment you will be able to see your text files inside konqueror window, dolphin will open external text editor. Exactly the same behavior were in kde3 for years, and it did not go anywhere in kde4. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Richard

18:17

On Thursday 03 July 2008 7:21:32 am James Knott wrote:

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This is another KDE4 "improvement". Don't you just love it when developers get so full of themselves, that everything they produce is a work of genius?

Read their blogs and you'll see the arrogance of some of the developers. They make changes for themselves and we, the unwashed, who dont know any better should simply accept that they know best about what we need/want. Paraphrasing them, if we use the new stuff enough we'll eventually see the light and thank the gods that are creating kde4. It's in the ChaniBlog for June 08, Dont know the url cause the Akregator in unfamiliar to me and can't get the numbers yet. Their attitude is not all that uncommon in the software world, though. They're artists and were just dumb users who presume to tell them what we need/want. Just my 2 cents. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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