[opensuse] Promoting openSUSE 11.2 & voting for the openSUSE 11.2 promo DVD cover

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier

6 Nov 2009 6 Nov '09

07:24

As I'm sure most (hopefully all...) of you know, we'll be releasing openSUSE 11.2. If you'd like to help spread the word, there are a few quick and easy things you can do to help let people know about openSUSE: * Tweet or Dent about openSUSE: If you have a Twitter or Identi.ca account, be sure to follow the @opensuse account and re-tweet/dent announcements about openSUSE 11.2. One or two mentions per day by each openSUSE user could make a huge difference! (Please don't go overboard though -- one or two per day is good!) Make sure to use the openSUSE hash tag (#openSUSE) on Twitter so we can take a shot at getting on the "trending topics" list. * Mention the openSUSE release on Facebook, Linked-In and other social media sites. * See http://en.opensuse.org/Marketing/SocNet for additional tips on social media marketing. (And feel free to join in!) * If you have a blog, please be sure to take a few minutes to post about openSUSE. Original posts are great, but if you're feeling a bit of writer's block it's perfectly acceptable to copy the openSUSE announcement from news.opensuse.org when it's released and post that. (Please link back to the post, though!) * Once you've downloaded 11.2, please burn a copy or two (or three... or one hundred...) and pass them on to friends, family, co-workers, etc. who might benefit from using Linux. Also: through Sunday we're taking votes to decide what cover the openSUSE 11.2 promo DVD (the DVD we hand out at events, etc.) will have. We have three awesome designs from the community - help us decide which to pick here: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/2009/11/05/opensuse-dvdcd-cover-art-opinions... Thanks, and have a lot of fun! Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb About: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/about/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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DenverD

6 Nov 6 Nov

08:55

New subject: [opensuse] Promoting openSUSE 11.2 & voting for the openSUSE 11.2 promo DVD cover

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:

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* Mention the openSUSE release on Facebook, Linked-In and other social media sites.

thanks for all your efforts Zonker...but, when i go to (for example) Youtube and see something i like it is one easy click to 'share' it with my friends on Facebook.. sure would be nice (and easy) if there was a great promo page with a click to share with Facebook (and all the other social sites that just one click away from Youtube--if they can, why can't we?).. but, for now....if i wanna post a link on Facebook to openSUSE 11.2, which URL would you suggest i use? -- DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hans Witvliet

09:53

New subject: [opensuse] Promoting openSUSE 11.2 & voting for the openSUSE 11.2 promo DVD cover

On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 02:24 -0500, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:

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As I'm sure most (hopefully all...) of you know, we'll be releasing openSUSE 11.2. If you'd like to help spread the word, there are a few quick and easy things you can do to help let people know about openSUSE:

* Tweet or Dent about openSUSE: If you have a Twitter or Identi.ca account, be sure to follow the @opensuse account and re-tweet/dent announcements about openSUSE 11.2. One or two mentions per day by each openSUSE user could make a huge difference! (Please don't go overboard though -- one or two per day is good!) Make sure to use the openSUSE hash tag (#openSUSE) on Twitter so we can take a shot at getting on the "trending topics" list.

* Mention the openSUSE release on Facebook, Linked-In and other social media sites.

* See http://en.opensuse.org/Marketing/SocNet for additional tips on social media marketing. (And feel free to join in!)

* If you have a blog, please be sure to take a few minutes to post about openSUSE. Original posts are great, but if you're feeling a bit of writer's block it's perfectly acceptable to copy the openSUSE announcement from news.opensuse.org when it's released and post that. (Please link back to the post, though!)

* Once you've downloaded 11.2, please burn a copy or two (or three... or one hundred...) and pass them on to friends, family, co-workers, etc. who might benefit from using Linux.

Also: through Sunday we're taking votes to decide what cover the openSUSE 11.2 promo DVD (the DVD we hand out at events, etc.) will have. We have three awesome designs from the community - help us decide which to pick here: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/2009/11/05/opensuse-dvdcd-cover-art-opinions...

Thanks, and have a lot of fun!

Best,

Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb About: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/about/

Perhaps it would be informative to have a side-by-side comparison of the main releases (openSUSE_11.2, SLES_11, Buildservice-addons, ubuntu_9.10, fedora_11, centos_5.4, ...) , and what version the most important packages have. (total count of available packages?) see: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=suse (but here you have only package versions _within_ one distro, not between distro's) hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Lars Müller

10:26

New subject: [opensuse] Promoting openSUSE 11.2 & voting for the openSUSE 11.2 promo DVD cover

On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 10:53:15AM +0100, Hans Witvliet wrote: [ 8< ]

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Perhaps it would be informative to have a side-by-side comparison of the main releases (openSUSE_11.2, SLES_11, Buildservice-addons, ubuntu_9.10, fedora_11, centos_5.4, ...) , and what version the most important packages have. (total count of available packages?)

That's nothing a vendor should provide. I fear such a comparison presented at an openSUSE.org page would not help to establish trust into the people behind the project. Such a comparison is a task for Linux magazines. The vendors might provide an overview what's included in which version (glibc, bash, KDE, Gnome, Firefox, Samba, ...). The other and for the users more important question is how well integrated are the different parts to make it a good = useable product. It might be helpfull to have a test suite to check a set of applications to be available and to collect the version data. Like we already have with LSB. I'm not sure if LSB is still limited to rpm based systems. At the next level we might have to ask ourself if we like to compare our Linux with closed source products like Apple Mac OS and Microsoft Windows? To me the answer is quite clear: In particular the mass market of Microsoft users must be the target. Apple demonstrates that it is possible to bite them. :) And I also like to bite these shiny Apples. Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

Hans Witvliet

12:04

New subject: [opensuse] Promoting openSUSE 11.2 & voting for the openSUSE 11.2 promo DVD cover

On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 11:26 +0100, Lars Müller wrote:

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On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 10:53:15AM +0100, Hans Witvliet wrote: [ 8< ]

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Perhaps it would be informative to have a side-by-side comparison of the main releases (openSUSE_11.2, SLES_11, Buildservice-addons, ubuntu_9.10, fedora_11, centos_5.4, ...) , and what version the most important packages have. (total count of available packages?)

That's nothing a vendor should provide. I fear such a comparison presented at an openSUSE.org page would not help to establish trust into the people behind the project.

True, one might get the impression that the author is perhaps biased ;-)

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Such a comparison is a task for Linux magazines. The vendors might provide an overview what's included in which version (glibc, bash, KDE, Gnome, Firefox, Samba, ...).

The other and for the users more important question is how well integrated are the different parts to make it a good = useable product.

Shure, but two things: You can write that 11.2 has the latest (what ever that may mean) versions of firefox, thunderbird OO.o, for working safer and faster and bla-die-bla. But that is what they all do.... Some just released (unnamed) product, still use security related packages that are over a year old. If SuSE demonstrate that their packages are up-to-date, it demonstrate not only that security is an important issue, but also that you have the capability to ensure that it stays that way.

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It might be helpfull to have a test suite to check a set of applications to be available and to collect the version data. Like we already have with LSB. I'm not sure if LSB is still limited to rpm based systems.

At the next level we might have to ask ourself if we like to compare our Linux with closed source products like Apple Mac OS and Microsoft Windows?

Shure, Microsoft has a larger share desktop-users. Specialy then, a list of comparable products for endusers might be worthwhile. (and explictly mentioning wine for ommisions on the *nix-list) I still remember that someone at suse mentioned that SuSE were supporting more hardware out-of-the-box than Microsoft. Emphasize on that!

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To me the answer is quite clear: In particular the mass market of Microsoft users must be the target. Apple demonstrates that it is possible to bite them. :) And I also like to bite these shiny Apples.

Wonderfully phrased! It boils down to the main question: Do you want to promote why 11.2 is good? Or do you want to promote why 11.2 is better (compared to others)! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

13:07

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On 06/11/09 23:04, Hans Witvliet wrote:

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On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 11:26 +0100, Lars Müller wrote:

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To me the answer is quite clear: In particular the mass market of

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Microsoft users must be the target. Apple demonstrates that it is possible to bite them. :) And I also like to bite these shiny Apples.

Wonderfully phrased!

It boils down to the main question: Do you want to promote why 11.2 is good? Or do you want to promote why 11.2 is better (compared to others)!

The sentiments are absolutely wonderful, there is no doubt about it. But do you read the opensuse-factory list, and have read the posts there in the past several days? Do you want to promote at this point in the manner suggested a distro which has one bug which will/may bite many people on the bum as early as at its installation time? Promotion of the kind now being suggested may, in my opinion, very well backfire, have the reverse effect, and come to haunt oS and its promoters for a long time :-( . Striking a bug on installation time is one thing, and this can be claimed to be the result of an unforeseen last minute glitch, but to come across such a bug when the distro has been "promoted" to be the 'ants's pants', particularly when records show that the bug was known about, and discussed, before release time, then the claims about the distro's wonderful qualities will fall flat on their face. Just my view. BC -- The chief cause of problems is solutions. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Adam Tauno Williams

13:52

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On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 00:07 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 06/11/09 23:04, Hans Witvliet wrote:

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On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 11:26 +0100, Lars Müller wrote: [pruned] To me the answer is quite clear: In particular the mass market of

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Microsoft users must be the target. Apple demonstrates that it is possible to bite them. :) And I also like to bite these shiny Apples. Wonderfully phrased! It boils down to the main question: Do you want to promote why 11.2 is good? Or do you want to promote why 11.2 is better (compared to others)! The sentiments are absolutely wonderful, there is no doubt about it. But do you read the opensuse-factory list, and have read the posts there in the past several days? Do you want to promote at this point in the manner suggested a distro which has one bug which will/may bite many people on the bum as early as at its installation time?

My trial installs of 11.2RC have all gone flawlessly. If this is about the grub-alternate-boot-partitions-thing it just doesn't matter. With Windows 7 that is a non-starter anyway since installing another OS breaks the ability to boot Windows 7 - period. No "end-user" is going to be able to hack their way back to a running Windows 7. For the *end-user* the whole concept of dual-boot is a non-starter and should *never* be recommended, period.

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Promotion of the kind now being suggested may, in my opinion, very well backfire, have the reverse effect, and come to haunt oS and its promoters for a long time :-( .

Come on, LINUX users over-sell their product all-the-time! :) They do crazy things like recommend end-users configure WINE!

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Striking a bug on installation time is one thing, and this can be claimed to be the result of an unforeseen last minute glitch, but to come across such a bug when the distro has been "promoted" to be the 'ants's pants', particularly when records show that the bug was known about, and discussed, before release time, then the claims about the distro's wonderful qualities will fall flat on their face.

A specific mention of the bug in question would be useful. -- OpenGroupware developer: awilliam@whitemice.org http://whitemiceconsulting.blogspot.com/ OpenGroupare & Cyrus IMAPd documenation @ http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/wmogag/file_view -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Adam Tauno Williams

13:46

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On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 13:04 +0100, Hans Witvliet wrote:

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On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 11:26 +0100, Lars Müller wrote:

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Such a comparison is a task for Linux magazines. The vendors might provide an overview what's included in which version (glibc, bash, KDE, Gnome, Firefox, Samba, ...). The other and for the users more important question is how well integrated are the different parts to make it a good = useable product. Shure, but two things: You can write that 11.2 has the latest (what ever that may mean) versions of firefox, thunderbird OO.o, for working safer and faster and bla-die-bla. But that is what they all do....

Agree, a side-by-side comparison of distro's is also *boring*. Another problem is that, like the vast majority of current articles, is that the reviews are all so completely superficial; maybe due to length restrictions, maybe due to the quality of the authors. It would end up, almost certainly, being just the author's bias or preference. The state of 'IT journalism' is pathetic; personally I yearn for the glory days of BYTE when articles were about the technology and contained benchmarks, etc... rather than just being [very] thin product reviews.

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Shure, Microsoft has a larger share desktop-users. Specialy then, a list of comparable products for endusers might be worthwhile. (and explictly mentioning wine for ommisions on the *nix-list)

Seriously? Recommending WINE for end-users? That is a horrible crash-and-burn loose-them-forever strategy.

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I still remember that someone at suse mentioned that SuSE were supporting more hardware out-of-the-box than Microsoft. Emphasize on that!

No, LINUX supports more hardware than Windows; this is not a SuSE specific thing. Lets not fall into the Ubuntu mindwash trap where we attribute all greatness to our favorite distro. This also shouldn't be peddled to end-users since it is actually pretty meaningless - if it doesn't support the specific device you have - you're not impressed. http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2008/10/how-linux-supports-more-device.html http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/foswiki/bin/view Somebody did a good podcast interview of Greg Kroah-Hartman (directory of the LINUX Driver Project), but I can't seem to find it now [FLOSS Weekly or LINUX Outlaws?].

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It boils down to the main question: Do you want to promote why 11.2 is good?

Yes.

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Or do you want to promote why 11.2 is better (compared to others)!

YaST! SuSE / openSUSE is the only distro with something beginning to resemble a centralized configuration tool; this is a huge usability boon. No fumbling about: Where is the tool to configure that? [like "system-config-securitylevel-tui"; yep, that is so user friendly]. Sane packaging. openSUSE packages have sane dependencies [my biggest gripe against Ubuntu besides its lack of YaST]. -- openSUSE http://www.opensuse.org/en/ Linux for human beings who need to get things done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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