10.1 beta6 hard crashed on a latitude d500 during install
Hello, I went to install OpenSUsE 10.1 beta6 on my latitude d500 (to test another bug) when it hard crashed during setup. It just totally froze at the graphical installer in the middle of installing packages (it was at 100% for installing hplip), I couldn't move the mouse, I couldn't do ctrl + alt + F1, there was no hard drive access, I didn't see a kernel panic message, etc. I was doing a HTTP install, more details below. I would like to know if there is anyway I can get more information about what happened so as to help solve a potential bug. I could go ahead and try to install again, but that would delete any install logs that might contain information about what went wrong, and it might succeed and thus not reproduce that log info. I looked through /var/log/YaST2/y2logRPM (it didn't report hplip as being installed) and y2start.log, but they don't seem to indicate any problem. People at freenode suggested I run a memory test and the sisoft Sandra burn in test ( I have windows XP on another partition), but I can't ever remember a time my computer crashed on me, unless I was using ndiswrapper or hot swapping stuff I shouldn't have. I have done stress intensive stuff such as copying large amounts of data, using the 10/100 NIC a lot, using the wireless card (which produces a lot of heat and is next to the CPU) while using the CPU a lot, or playing games (full CPU and integrated graphics usage.) I finished the burn in test successfully and I'm about to run memtest86, but it would have to be a very big coincidence if it just happened to crash this time. I find it very unlikely that it overheated, like was suggested on IRC, since the wireless card couldn't even have been used, it's a totally unsupported Broadcom. This install was done by downloading the CD ISO's, using makeSUSEdvd to combine them into one installation source (makeSUSEdvd -s -i), and then using the mini iso to point to that source, shared over HTTP from another machine on the same LAN. I was using my Intel pro 100 VE for this. I have used makeSUSEdvd on 10.1 beta6 before successfully, on an x86_64 source that was burnt to a DVD, and it worked fine. It did have some trouble trying to access it over SMB, but then I put the source on HTTP and it was fine. I did a pretty custom package selection (again, it crashed while installing hplip), and I did have it format the partition it was installing to with reiserFS. My system is a latitude d500, with a Pentium-m 1.3, 384 megs of ram, intel 855GM, a Hitachi IC25NO40ATCS05-0 hard drive, an LG CRN-8245B CD-ROM drive, and an Intel pro 100 VE with a MS intellimouse optical plugged in. Again, if anyone can give advice on identifying the problem through data on the partition, I'd appreciate it. If that is impossible, I'd like to know that too so I can try again. I'm just trying to do whatever I can to help identify what is probably a bug. If memtest86 shows an error, I'll immediately reply back about such. -Mike
<snip> Please place all beta-related posts on the opensuse-factory list. This list is for openSUSE community discussions. Thanks, Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin
On Wednesday 15 March 2006 15:41, Joseph M. Gaffney wrote:
Please place all beta-related posts on the opensuse-factory list. This list is for openSUSE community discussions.
Gee, there was just a whole discussion about the status of a beta package the past couple of days. Yet you didn't complain about those. Maybe it's because you can't help the guy that asked the question. I don't know. Don't really care. If you are going to complain about one, then do it for all. Mike -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 For Mondo/Mindi backup support go to http://www.mikenjane.net/~mike 4:26pm up 3 days 4:15, 4 users, load average: 2.10, 1.74, 1.37
On Wednesday 15 March 2006 10:29, Mike wrote:
On Wednesday 15 March 2006 15:41, Joseph M. Gaffney wrote:
Please place all beta-related posts on the opensuse-factory list. This list is for openSUSE community discussions.
Gee, there was just a whole discussion about the status of a beta package the past couple of days. Yet you didn't complain about those. Maybe it's because you can't help the guy that asked the question. I don't know. Don't really care. If you are going to complain about one, then do it for all.
Mike
I haven't been able to receive my email from all lists - problem with my mail server. I commented, not complained, because the opensuse-factory list is more likely to have answers and information because it is the list for the beta/factory packages. Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 04:29:04PM +0100, Mike wrote:
Gee, there was just a whole discussion about the status of a beta package the past couple of days. Yet you didn't complain about those. Maybe it's because you can't help the guy that asked the question. I don't know. Don't really care. If you are going to complain about one, then do it for all.
Doing it once in a while is better. Doing it all the time will become obnoxious. Believe you me, you do not want me posting such a posting with each and every off-topic posting. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau
Sorry guys, for posting this in the wrong list. I took a look at all the previous discussions this month, saw 4 or so for 10.1, and assumed this could go here. Let's not get into a big flame war over where to place mail. PS, speaking of beta software, Outlook/Word is acting like it now. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: houghi [mailto:houghi@houghi.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:55 AM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] 10.1 beta6 hard crashed on a latitude d500 during install On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 04:29:04PM +0100, Mike wrote:
Gee, there was just a whole discussion about the status of a beta package the past couple of days. Yet you didn't complain about those. Maybe it's because you can't help the guy that asked the question. I don't know. Don't really care. If you are going to complain about one, then do it for all.
Doing it once in a while is better. Doing it all the time will become obnoxious. Believe you me, you do not want me posting such a posting with each and every off-topic posting. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
On 3/15/06, Michael DePaulo
Sorry guys, for posting this in the wrong list. I took a look at all the previous discussions this month, saw 4 or so for 10.1, and assumed this could go here. Let's not get into a big flame war over where to place mail.
From http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate : # opensuse for general discussion about the openSUSE (development)
Something called "opensuse-factory" is such an obvious choice to post comments on the beta release isn't ?!? project. For general questions related to released SUSE Linux versions (eg. 9.3, 10.0) please use suse-linux-e # opensuse-factory for discussion about the latest development version of SUSE Linux. That includes the Factory Distribution and alpha/beta versions. Notice they both say development. It would be more clear if the factory line read more like this: # opensuse-factory for discussion about the latest developmental (alpha/beta) versions of SUSE Linux. Or better yet... opensuse --- general discussion about the openSUSE (released) projects. opensuse-development --- general discussion about openSUSE (development - alpha/beta) projects.
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 15:13 -0500, Adam Cody wrote:
On 3/15/06, Michael DePaulo
wrote: Sorry guys, for posting this in the wrong list. I took a look at all the previous discussions this month, saw 4 or so for 10.1, and assumed this could go here. Let's not get into a big flame war over where to place mail.
Something called "opensuse-factory" is such an obvious choice to post comments on the beta release isn't ?!?
From http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate : # opensuse for general discussion about the openSUSE (development) project. For general questions related to released SUSE Linux versions (eg. 9.3, 10.0) please use suse-linux-e # opensuse-factory for discussion about the latest development version of SUSE Linux. That includes the Factory Distribution and alpha/beta versions.
Notice they both say development. It would be more clear if the factory line read more like this: # opensuse-factory for discussion about the latest developmental (alpha/beta) versions of SUSE Linux.
Or better yet... opensuse --- general discussion about the openSUSE (released) projects. opensuse-development --- general discussion about openSUSE (development - alpha/beta) projects.
And here I was led to believe this was the list for install problems with the beta versions. Guess I'll need to change as well. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
And here I was led to believe this was the list for install problems with the beta versions. Guess I'll need to change as well. -- Ken Schneider
That was my belief as well until I read Joseph's statement.. Just trying to provide feedback that the website isn't clear on this distinction...then again, the whole Factory thing is sloppy as well. Does anyone else find the wording (below) causing more confusion rather than clarifying the distinctions? Or is it just me? Adam http://en.opensuse.org/Factory_Distribution : "The Factory Distribution is the current state of the development for the next SUSE Linux distribution. The Development Releases of SUSE Linux (like Alpha, Beta or RC releases) are snapshots from this distribution. This means the Factory Distribution can be in any state, while the Development Releases do get some basic testing before the release." Mailing list descriptions: opensuse for general discussion about the openSUSE (development) project. opensuse-factory for discussion about the latest development version of SUSE Linux. That includes the Factory Distribution and alpha/beta versions.
And here I was led to believe this was the list for install problems with the beta versions. Guess I'll need to change as well. -- Ken Schneider
That was my belief as well until I read Joseph's statement.. Just trying to provide feedback that the website isn't clear on this distinction...then again, the whole Factory thing is sloppy as well. Does anyone else find the wording (below) causing more confusion rather than clarifying the distinctions? Or is it just me? Adam http://en.opensuse.org/Factory_Distribution : "The Factory Distribution is the current state of the development for the next SUSE Linux distribution. The Development Releases of SUSE Linux (like Alpha, Beta or RC releases) are snapshots from this distribution. This means the Factory Distribution can be in any state, while the Development Releases do get some basic testing before the release." Mailing list descriptions: opensuse for general discussion about the openSUSE (development) project. - Hide quoted text - opensuse-factory for discussion about the latest development version of SUSE Linux. That includes the Factory Distribution and alpha/beta versions.
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Adam Cody
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Adam Cody
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houghi
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Joseph M. Gaffney
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Ken Schneider
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Michael DePaulo
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Mike