[SLE] Suggestion to improve OpenSUSE by providing only selected package!
Hi, I would like to suggest suse team to provide NOT all product but only SELECTED package while other package will still available as an option in separate CD. Why? By providing selected package, suse linux will: 1. faster in dev time 2. no need to spend time to answer/correct bug on un-popular package 3. we can not serve many master, right? you want suse support gnome, kde, fox or any windows at same time and same team? why don't choose only ONE gui as native X Windows while others as optional? 4. saving space! native/selected package will fit on less CD/DVD while optional still available for download on ftp or other additional cd/dvd. 5. installation time will be faster 6. Yast can serve more package with more configable (look at the apache/php which on suse 10.1 only provide too small configuration, i.e: can not set these php varibles: magic_quotes, display_error, etc. In compare to Novell Server! which all confiration can alter easier!) i believe the speed of suse linux dev will increase more than 100% if you provide only selected package. i pray every day suse linux become the most usable, easiest and stable linux in the world. currently, i can not serve any except make suggestion. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Tue 18 Jul 2006 08:54, The Nice Spider wrote:
Hi,
I would like to suggest suse team to provide NOT all product but only SELECTED package while other package will still available as an option in separate CD.
Who selects the packages? I am fairly sure that the package subset that you would pick would be different to the subset that I would pick. One of the nicest things about SUSE is the wide selection of packages it has available. If you want a narrower subset of packages with greater support and testing you should use SUSE Linux Enterprise (Which I also use btw..) Regards -- Peter Nixon http://www.peternixon.net/ PGP Key: http://www.peternixon.net/public.asc
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 07:54, The Nice Spider wrote:
Why? By providing selected package, suse linux will: 1. faster in dev time
That's not true, because the "extras" CD has to be developed at the same time. As a user, if i had to wait a couple months before Suse shipped the Extras CD with gcc on it, i would switch distributions.
2. no need to spend time to answer/correct bug on un-popular package
Who decides what's unpopular? Freshmeat rankings?
3. we can not serve many master, right? you want suse support gnome, kde, fox or any windows at same time and same team? why don't choose only ONE gui as native X Windows while others as optional?
While KDE is the de-facto "most popular" desktop, we cannot serve a single master because there are too many people using "minority" window managers/desktops. If Suse alienates those people, it loses market.
4. saving space! native/selected package will fit on less CD/DVD while optional still available for download on ftp or other additional cd/dvd.
It all fits on one DVD. What's the problem? You don't have to download it - many magazines come with a copy.
5. installation time will be faster
Saving 1/2 hour during install and costing more time later as the user has to find, select, and install more packages.
6. Yast can serve more package with more configable (look at the apache/php which on suse 10.1 only provide too small configuration, i.e: can not set these php varibles: magic_quotes, display_error, etc. In compare to Novell Server! which all confiration can alter easier!)
"Suse 10.1" is sold as a desktop OS. Novell Server is a Server OS.
i believe the speed of suse linux dev will increase more than 100% if you provide only selected package.
The number of packages installed has nothing to do with the speed of the OS.
i pray every day suse linux become the most usable, easiest and stable linux in the world.
It is.
currently, i can not serve any except make suggestion.
And we all love suggestions, but it sounds like you want one of the "micro" distributions which fits on a single bootable CD. Suse is not that distribution, and should not become that distribution. i've used Suse since '98 (version 6.0, i think) and i love it because i can install it and be back to work within 2 hours. i don't have to configure much, i don't have to change a lot. i just have to pop in the DVD, select the packages i want, and wait an hour or two. Afterwards i occasionally have to install an extra package which i missed during the install (flex, webalizer, etc). Ten years ago it was still fun to install Slackware and then spend 3 days configuring my system. It's not fun anymore, and with Suse i don't have to do that. -- ----- stephan@s11n.net http://s11n.net "...pleasure is a grace and is not obedient to the commands of the will." -- Alan W. Watts
On Jul 18, 2006, at 1:54 AM, The Nice Spider wrote:
I would like to suggest suse team to provide NOT all product but only SELECTED package while other package will still available as an option in separate CD.
Interesting... but who will select what packages? What is interesting to you may not be to me. I'm more into server right now, but am going toward user apps. You may be into Beagle and I may want MP3's. I would like to see an option for preselected sets such as server, with GUI. Not everyone is cli savvy. I think you may be right, but the issue is who (whom) gets to chose? Suse did say they were going to support one window... but was it the one you wanted? If it's not, are you going to complain till you get your way? I must admit, the first time I saw how much "stuff" suse includes on the disks I was amazed... (back in 7.1 I think) And, if I read your email right, this is all on the free version right? You compare this to Novell Server - the item that they have more time and $ invested in and charge more for? How can they stay in business if you ask this? Interesting post. I'd like to see more... (I gota ask- "The Nice Spider"?) Thanks, George
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 01:54, The Nice Spider wrote:
Hi,
I would like to suggest suse team to provide NOT all product but only SELECTED package while other package will still available as an option in separate CD.
I specifically buy SuSE linux because they provide such a wide range of ready-to-run applications. Wouldn't want it any other way. Next I suppose you will suggest *which* few apps they should supply. Send your suggestions to feedback as I requested two days ago. We here cannot do anything with them and SuSE devs do not read this forum. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Bruce Marshall wrote:
I specifically buy SuSE linux because they provide such a wide range of ready-to-run applications.
don't worry. A new selection system is on the way that will give the usefullness of both solutions. see opensuse lists http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-factory/2006-Jul/0074.html jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
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On Tuesday 18 July 2006 01:54, The Nice Spider wrote:
I would like to suggest suse team to provide NOT all product but only SELECTED package while other package will still available as an option in separate CD.
I specifically buy SuSE linux because they provide such a wide range of ready-to-run applications. Wouldn't want it any other way.
Next I suppose you will suggest *which* few apps they should supply.
Send your suggestions to feedback as I requested two days ago. We here cannot do anything with them and SuSE devs do not read this forum.
The SUSE Linux team is looking at providing Pattern Selections rather than
the current method. This could satisfy both. If you want to provide
input to this take a look at opensuse-factory@opensuse.org. I think this
is going to be a great boost to SUSE Linux. Also note that the Current
SUSE Linux is going to be named OpenSUSE Linux for the next release (See
opensuse-announce@opensuse.org).
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Boyd Gerber
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 12:31, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:
Send your suggestions to feedback as I requested two days ago. We here cannot do anything with them and SuSE devs do not read this forum.
The SUSE Linux team is looking at providing Pattern Selections rather than the current method. This could satisfy both. If you want to provide input to this take a look at opensuse-factory@opensuse.org. I think this is going to be a great boost to SUSE Linux. Also note that the Current SUSE Linux is going to be named OpenSUSE Linux for the next release (See opensuse-announce@opensuse.org).
The addresses you gave are email addresses. Am I supposed to send a blank email to those addresses? (I suspect they are mail lists) -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
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On Tuesday 18 July 2006 12:31, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:
Send your suggestions to feedback as I requested two days ago. We here cannot do anything with them and SuSE devs do not read this forum.
The SUSE Linux team is looking at providing Pattern Selections rather than the current method. This could satisfy both. If you want to provide input to this take a look at opensuse-factory@opensuse.org. I think this is going to be a great boost to SUSE Linux. Also note that the Current SUSE Linux is going to be named OpenSUSE Linux for the next release (See opensuse-announce@opensuse.org).
The addresses you gave are email addresses. Am I supposed to send a blank email to those addresses? (I suspect they are mail lists)
They are SUSE email lists.
http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate#Mailing_Lists
I thought it was obvious, but the above should answer any questions. You
use the mail list commands to get old messages or find an online archive.
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