On 10/02/2005 08:40 AM Chema Ollés wrote: [removed fullquote]

Thanks Eberhard

No Offence meant, but I line of answer and a fullquote above? could you please try to "quote wise"? Thanks, OJ -- "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners."

On 10/02/2005 05:54 PM Chema Ollés wrote:

Johannes Kastl escribió:

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[removed fullquote] Hi Johannes: I'll try to do it next time... OK?

That's great. Thanks.

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But your separator is damaged ;-) It should be "-- " with a space at the end. I see you use Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) so: do you type the signature "manually" or do you use a textfile? OJ -- "...Unix, MS-DOS, and Windows NT (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)." (By Matt Welsh)

On 10/02/2005 07:14 PM houghi wrote:

I believe that is done by pgp or gpg

Then it should be in ENIGMAIL=>PREFERNCES=>Treat -- as signature separator, in the ADVANCED Tab. OJ -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve immortality through not dying. (Woody Allen)

On Sunday 02 October 2005 13:17, Chema Ollés wrote: <snip>

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so: do you type the signature "manually" or do you use a textfile? <snip> "My separator" have a space at the end (you can see I write an *) Well,I use a text file.

Hello, Thunderbird sends "text" e-mails in "format="text/flowed" format. This is a specialized markup designed to enhance the portability of text messages across a variety of platforms, display types and font sizes (think cell phones to PDAs to notebooks, and so on.) Compatible e-mail clients *dynamically insert and remove trailing spaces and newlines* as needed to wrap text to match the display. It seems Thunderbird's "text/flowed" encoding mechanism likes to strip "excess" trailing spaces from outgoing e-mails, too. In my case, it was stripping the trailing space from the signature delimiter each time it appended my signature (a plain vanilla ASCII text file.) By the way, to see this you have to 'cat' or 'less' an affected e-mail from the command line or open it in a proper text editor. Otherwise, Thunderbird's embedded "text/flowed" parser inserts the desired space dynamically when the file is opened and viewed natively. I researched and tweaked and debugged this problem for over a week and got nowhere. I eventually gave up in disgust and switched to KMail. Case closed (here, at least) and I haven't looked back since. Of course, YMMV... regards, - Carl

On Sunday 02 October 2005 15:50, Johannes Kastl wrote:

You know that you can switch that off 8as many people do, cause it causes a lot of preoblems. And TB or rather Enigmail has some preferences about that.

I wasn't too happy about making the switch beforehand, to be sure... but I really like Kontact and would recommend it to anybody. As far as turning text/flowed format "off"... yes, I think if you edit the preferences.js file (turning a couple of "true" values to "false" I think) your message bodies behave normally but the problem is in the "wrapper" encoding and wasn't affected. I did spend a lot of time on this and, IIRC, it was an outstanding bug... maybe it's been fixed since then. regards, - Carl

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 houghi escribió:

On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 03:32:22PM -0400, Carl Hartung wrote:

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Compatible e-mail clients *dynamically insert and remove trailing spaces and newlines* as needed to wrap text to match the display. It seems Thunderbird's "text/flowed" encoding mechanism likes to strip "excess" trailing spaces from outgoing e-mails, too. In my case, it was stripping the trailing space from the signature delimiter each time it appended my signature (a plain vanilla ASCII text file.)

The problem is not the trailing space. It is the change done by pgp, or at least how he uses it. It puts a dash space in front of the space, space dash.

houghi OH MY GOD!!! Please,how do you think I must write "--"? Is very,very important to me to know... Best Regards

Chema Ollés Usuario Linux: #198057 Linux 2.6.13.2-2-smp #1 SMP Mon Sep 26 14:25:33 UTC 2005 i686 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDQEHf65SpD7GhbzoRAmojAJ9M6PuepRC+3c0qGzRt8BYpBafa0ACeLCU8 6agnJdXxUokopfz8rKkDVtw= =sHkw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 10:23:59PM +0200, Chema Ollés wrote:

By turning off the pgp signature: http://houghi.org/shots/mutt-gpg001.png

or use an other way to sign.

It is pgp that puts the `- ` in front of the `-- `

houghi Hi: Well I can see that you see "- --" and not "-- "

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 houghi escribió: like I see. Is this so important? Sorry I don't understand? I think is better for all I signed my mail... ;-) Best Regards ** (only for now) Chema Ollés Usuario Linux: #198057 Linux 2.6.13.2-2-smp #1 SMP Mon Sep 26 14:25:33 UTC 2005 i686 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDQEri65SpD7GhbzoRAk12AKCL3zhUEnRfS5ArLnmF6FmXx45O3ACfUuL+ XXFAyf/5dodhE/DOWDMyZ4A= =hfIY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On 10/02/2005 10:23 PM Chema Ollés wrote:

OH MY GOD!!! Please,how do you think I must write "--"? Is very,very important to me to know... Best Regards

Have you checked that Preference in the Enigmail Menu? (Treat -- as signature separator) And have you unchecked the "Allow flowed text" checkbox? OJ -- Programming is like sex: if you make a mistake, you have to support it for the rest of your life. (unknown)

Carl Hartung wrote:

I researched and tweaked and debugged this problem for over a week and got nowhere. I eventually gave up in disgust and switched to KMail. Case closed (here, at least) and I haven't looked back since. Of course, YMMV...

Does my separator work? I use TB but seem to have a working separator. -- Mvh Kenneth Aar

On Monday 03 October 2005 09:50, Johannes Kastl wrote: <snip>

For me it worked.

OJ

This:

signature failure

--------------enigBEE5B48964628C704048B74C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc"

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFDQTceMAex/QZx/TMRAg3XAJ9XL6a0n36NMJp5wywF3mSFnNfrcgCfdNz/ CSSTYkK1biL2ADEtyWg01rU= =3tiA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--------------enigBEE5B48964628C704048B74C--

was a joke, right? - Carl

On Monday 03 October 2005 08:31, Kenneth Aar wrote:

Carl Hartung wrote:

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I researched and tweaked and debugged this problem for over a week and got nowhere. I eventually gave up in disgust and switched to KMail. Case closed (here, at least) and I haven't looked back since. Of course, YMMV...

Does my separator work? I use TB but seem to have a working separator.

Looks good here... As I said, the only reliable way I could see the problem was *outside* of T-bird. For some reason, the embedded editor always screwed up the sig delimiter regardless of my text/flowed settings in the preferences.js file. To view the actual output being mailed, I'd compose and send test mails to myself at my Yahoo! e-mail address, then view the results in my browser. - Carl