[opensuse] Laptop with NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology
(Tip-toeing thru a minefield when trying to decide which laptop to buy is not much fun :-( .) What hidden reefs am I going to strike if I buy a laptop, to install openSUSE (13.1- and beyond), which has for its graphics something called 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology'? Will I be able to install oS on such a beast and get at least some fuzzy picture on the screen or not? (The laptop will come with Windows #8 pre-installed and which I will immediately consign to the latrine - after having it updated for free to 8.1 of course :-) .) Anybody, please, have an answer to, comment on, the above question? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Dne St 30. října 2013 11:11:20, Basil Chupin napsal(a):
(Tip-toeing thru a minefield when trying to decide which laptop to buy is not much fun :-( .)
What hidden reefs am I going to strike if I buy a laptop, to install openSUSE (13.1- and beyond), which has for its graphics something called 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology'?
Will I be able to install oS on such a beast and get at least some fuzzy picture on the screen or not? (The laptop will come with Windows #8 pre-installed and which I will immediately consign to the latrine - after having it updated for free to 8.1 of course :-) .)
Anybody, please, have an answer to, comment on, the above question?
There is a Bumblebee project http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_Bumblebee trying to give us implementation of Optimus for Linux. Definitely, You will be able to use at least one card with no big problems and performance looses. I wasn't able to get Bumblebee to work and I ended up with Intel graphic. And I'm fine.
BC
Good luck, Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
On 30/10/13 12:07, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Hi
(Tip-toeing thru a minefield when trying to decide which laptop to buy is not much fun :-( .)
What hidden reefs am I going to strike if I buy a laptop, to install openSUSE (13.1- and beyond), which has for its graphics something called 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology'?
Will I be able to install oS on such a beast and get at least some fuzzy picture on the screen or not? (The laptop will come with Windows #8 pre-installed and which I will immediately consign to the latrine - after having it updated for free to 8.1 of course :-) .)
Anybody, please, have an answer to, comment on, the above question? There is a Bumblebee project http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_Bumblebee
Dne St 30. října 2013 11:11:20, Basil Chupin napsal(a): trying to give us implementation of Optimus for Linux. Definitely, You will be able to use at least one card with no big problems and performance looses. I wasn't able to get Bumblebee to work and I ended up with Intel graphic. And I'm fine.
Thank you for this information. But could you please elaborate on what you mean by, "You will be able to use at least one card with no big problems and performance looses"? Do you mean that there are 2 cards involved in this graphic setup or that the Optimus feature can be turned off or what? Or do I need to install a new card (which one?) into this laptop which won't use the onboard NVS 5400M chip? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne St 30. října 2013 12:26:18, Basil Chupin napsal(a):
On 30/10/13 12:07, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne St 30. října 2013 11:11:20, Basil Chupin napsal(a):
(Tip-toeing thru a minefield when trying to decide which laptop to buy is not much fun :-( .)
What hidden reefs am I going to strike if I buy a laptop, to install openSUSE (13.1- and beyond), which has for its graphics something called 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology'?
Will I be able to install oS on such a beast and get at least some fuzzy picture on the screen or not? (The laptop will come with Windows #8 pre-installed and which I will immediately consign to the latrine - after having it updated for free to 8.1 of course :-) .)
Anybody, please, have an answer to, comment on, the above question?
There is a Bumblebee project http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_Bumblebee trying to give us implementation of Optimus for Linux. Definitely, You will be able to use at least one card with no big problems and performance looses. I wasn't able to get Bumblebee to work and I ended up with Intel graphic. And I'm fine.
Thank you for this information.
But could you please elaborate on what you mean by, "You will be able to use at least one card with no big problems and performance looses"?
Do you mean that there are 2 cards involved in this graphic setup or that the Optimus feature can be turned off or what? Or do I need to install a new card (which one?) into this laptop which won't use the onboard NVS 5400M chip?
Yes, there are two cards. Optimus technology is here to be able to switch between two graphic cards: one onboard (usually Intel, not strong, but power saving) and second (NVIDIA or ATI with high performance and higher energy consumption) very powerful. So You can choose in You need to save energy (laptop running from battery) or You need high performance (playing games or whatever). You can use kernel modules for Intel and blacklist those for NVIDIA or vice versa, so You use only the respective graphical card. It usually works fine. Bumblebee is here to give You possibility to switch graphic cards in running Linux system.
BC
Look to my cards (HP ENVY dv6): $ lspci | grep VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 630M] (rev a1) http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gt-630m http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/optimus http://www.nvidia.com/object/notebook-nvs.html http://www.nvidia.com/object/optimus_technology.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Optimus http://bumblebee-project.org/ Good luck, Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
On 30/10/13 12:55, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne St 30. října 2013 12:26:18, Basil Chupin napsal(a):
On 30/10/13 12:07, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
(Tip-toeing thru a minefield when trying to decide which laptop to buy is not much fun :-( .)
What hidden reefs am I going to strike if I buy a laptop, to install openSUSE (13.1- and beyond), which has for its graphics something called 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology'?
Will I be able to install oS on such a beast and get at least some fuzzy picture on the screen or not? (The laptop will come with Windows #8 pre-installed and which I will immediately consign to the latrine - after having it updated for free to 8.1 of course :-) .)
Anybody, please, have an answer to, comment on, the above question? There is a Bumblebee project http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_Bumblebee
Dne St 30. října 2013 11:11:20, Basil Chupin napsal(a): trying to give us implementation of Optimus for Linux. Definitely, You will be able to use at least one card with no big problems and performance looses. I wasn't able to get Bumblebee to work and I ended up with Intel graphic. And I'm fine. Thank you for this information.
But could you please elaborate on what you mean by, "You will be able to use at least one card with no big problems and performance looses"?
Do you mean that there are 2 cards involved in this graphic setup or that the Optimus feature can be turned off or what? Or do I need to install a new card (which one?) into this laptop which won't use the onboard NVS 5400M chip? Yes, there are two cards. Optimus technology is here to be able to switch between two graphic cards: one onboard (usually Intel, not strong, but power saving) and second (NVIDIA or ATI with high performance and higher energy consumption) very powerful. So You can choose in You need to save energy (laptop running from battery) or You need high performance (playing games or whatever). You can use kernel modules for Intel and blacklist those for NVIDIA or vice versa, so You use only the respective graphical card. It usually works fine. Bumblebee is here to give You possibility to switch graphic cards in running Linux system.
BC Look to my cards (HP ENVY dv6): $ lspci | grep VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 630M] (rev a1) http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gt-630m http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/optimus http://www.nvidia.com/object/notebook-nvs.html http://www.nvidia.com/object/optimus_technology.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Optimus http://bumblebee-project.org/
Good luck, Vojtěch
Thank you. I feel more confident now about 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology' :-) and I think I will now go ahead and order the laptop with this graphic feature. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne St 30. října 2013 13:22:58, Basil Chupin napsal(a):
On 30/10/13 12:55, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne St 30. října 2013 12:26:18, Basil Chupin napsal(a):
On 30/10/13 12:07, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne St 30. října 2013 11:11:20, Basil Chupin napsal(a): [...] http://www.nvidia.com/object/notebook-nvs.html http://www.nvidia.com/object/optimus_technology.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Optimus http://bumblebee-project.org/
Good luck, Vojtěch
Thank you.
I feel more confident now about 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology' :-) and I think I will now go ahead and order the laptop with this graphic feature.
OK, then let us know how it is working for You. ;-) No problem when getting one or second card to work, but when I tried it, I wasn't able to get the switching feature to work. And now I'm lazy to try again and I don't need it at all... :-)
BC
Good luck, Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne St 30. října 2013 12:26:18, Basil Chupin napsal(a):
On 30/10/13 12:07, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne St 30. října 2013 11:11:20, Basil Chupin napsal(a):
What hidden reefs am I going to strike if I buy a laptop, to install openSUSE (13.1- and beyond), which has for its graphics something called 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology'?
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Yes, there are two cards. Optimus technology is here to be able to switch between two graphic cards: one onboard (usually Intel, not strong, but power saving) and second (NVIDIA or ATI with high performance and higher energy consumption) very powerful. So You can choose in You need to save energy (laptop running from battery) or You need high performance (playing games or whatever). You can use kernel modules for Intel and blacklist those for NVIDIA or vice versa, so You use only the respective graphical card. It usually works fine. Bumblebee is here to give You possibility to switch graphic cards in running Linux system.
Worst case is, you will be able to use the laptop with the Intel video and all will "just work". You really only need the NVidia side if you're planning on gaming or doing some high end graphics rendering. As Vojtěch said, you can tinker with Bumblebee and get it working such that you can launch specific apps to run on the NVidia side. For general use, it's rarely worth the extra effort and pain - especially on a laptop (depending of course on what you intend on using the laptop for). I've got one machine with Optimus and never bothered with Bumblebee... the Intel side provides 100% of what is needed for a work laptop (office document editing, internet browsing, email etc.) C. -- openSUSE 12.3 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/10/13 13:26, C wrote:
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne St 30. října 2013 12:26:18, Basil Chupin napsal(a):
On 30/10/13 12:07, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne St 30. října 2013 11:11:20, Basil Chupin napsal(a):
What hidden reefs am I going to strike if I buy a laptop, to install openSUSE (13.1- and beyond), which has for its graphics something called 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology'? snip
Yes, there are two cards. Optimus technology is here to be able to switch between two graphic cards: one onboard (usually Intel, not strong, but power saving) and second (NVIDIA or ATI with high performance and higher energy consumption) very powerful. So You can choose in You need to save energy (laptop running from battery) or You need high performance (playing games or whatever). You can use kernel modules for Intel and blacklist those for NVIDIA or vice versa, so You use only the respective graphical card. It usually works fine. Bumblebee is here to give You possibility to switch graphic cards in running Linux system. Worst case is, you will be able to use the laptop with the Intel video and all will "just work". You really only need the NVidia side if you're planning on gaming or doing some high end graphics rendering.
As Vojtěch said, you can tinker with Bumblebee and get it working such that you can launch specific apps to run on the NVidia side. For general use, it's rarely worth the extra effort and pain - especially on a laptop (depending of course on what you intend on using the laptop for).
I've got one machine with Optimus and never bothered with Bumblebee... the Intel side provides 100% of what is needed for a work laptop (office document editing, internet browsing, email etc.)
C.
Aaah, this makes it even clearer (to me). As this laptop will not be used to do any animated graphics or cunningly contrived photoshop graphics but used for normal, mundane, everyday, boring, tasks then I shall place an order for this beast in the morning :-) . Thanks for the clarification C. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2013-10-30 at 13:52 -0000, Basil Chupin wrote:
Aaah, this makes it even clearer (to me).
As this laptop will not be used to do any animated graphics or cunningly contrived photoshop graphics but used for normal, mundane, everyday, boring, tasks then I shall place an order for this beast in the morning :-) .
If you are never going to use the nvidia features, it is cheaper to buy a laptop with only Intel graphics. And less hassle. Some laptops are sold with several combinations of graphics or cpu. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJ9H1kACgkQtTMYHG2NR9V0FgCeJgA0X1HqfCQHSxWvWM5wZ2IA 3TEAnjVG7/sxm1T0n+sYSYjY0wVE+PYA =DQlu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/11/13 04:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Wednesday, 2013-10-30 at 13:52 -0000, Basil Chupin wrote:
Aaah, this makes it even clearer (to me).
As this laptop will not be used to do any animated graphics or cunningly contrived photoshop graphics but used for normal, mundane, everyday, boring, tasks then I shall place an order for this beast in the morning :-) .
If you are never going to use the nvidia features, it is cheaper to buy a laptop with only Intel graphics. And less hassle. Some laptops are sold with several combinations of graphics or cpu.
Well, this one (which I already ordered) comes with the graphics which are the subject of this thread and there is no choice - but there are choices for other bits of it. I always take the view that one gets the best one can afford even if it may be an overkill because one never knows what may need to do with the object being purchased. There is nothing worse and most frustrating than to go out and buy something and then have to go out and waste time upgrading some part of it at a much higher price :-) . With no other choice re the graphics but choices for the other bits, I have gone for the max in all the "other bits" - except for the RAM which I have increased to only 8GB because I have 16GB on my desktop and this I know is an overkill (I don't think that I have ever seen its use go above ~3GB). BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2013-11-11 at 16:16 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
increased to only 8GB because I have 16GB on my desktop and this I know is an overkill (I don't think that I have ever seen its use go above ~3GB).
Mmm. This desktop has 8 GB, and using 3 GB of swap. But 8 is the maximum for it. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlKCg2gACgkQtTMYHG2NR9X27gCfVteVh53gNpUOjF8XLsQlqfkk sj4AmwSkkhMjSAel0oWC86Z2W2aCoqKH =nWGB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 13/11/13 06:37, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Monday, 2013-11-11 at 16:16 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
increased to only 8GB because I have 16GB on my desktop and this I know is an overkill (I don't think that I have ever seen its use go above ~3GB).
Mmm. This desktop has 8 GB, and using 3 GB of swap. But 8 is the maximum for it.
I have a suspicion that you mentioned at some stage that you are a 'believer' in sending the thing to sleep or hibernating it :-) . If you do then, naturally, you would be using more RAM. However, I never do either, nor intend to do so with the laptop, so I consider 8GB enough for my purposes. But if I find that I am wrong then I shall install another 8GB module in it. Easy, no? :-) Oh, another thing which will require more RAM and that is if your video card uses RAM for itself. I believe that video cards even with 2GB onboard still use some RAM but little and not as much as those who - what is the term, 'share'? - RAM. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2013-11-13 at 16:11 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 13/11/13 06:37, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Mmm. This desktop has 8 GB, and using 3 GB of swap. But 8 is the maximum for it.
I have a suspicion that you mentioned at some stage that you are a 'believer' in sending the thing to sleep or hibernating it :-) . If you do then, naturally, you would be using more RAM.
Yes, that's right, I hibernate all my machines instead of powering off. But the ammount of ram does not matter. I have one lapto wtih 4 GB, and another, old, with half a gig. Both hibernate fine. The curious thing is that doing that frees some ram, because it forces everything into swap, which means that those things are reloaded in ram only when needed... and some things are never needed again after initialization. No, currently I'm using 3 GB of swap because I have running some very hungry applications: thunderbird, firefox with many windows, seamonkey, java...
However, I never do either, nor intend to do so with the laptop, so I consider 8GB enough for my purposes. But if I find that I am wrong then I shall install another 8GB module in it. Easy, no? :-)
When you can, yes. I don't know how, but I can never do that :-} Sometimes, by the time (year) I decide to increase the ram, it is no longer sold. Or it is so absurdly expensive that it makes sense to buy a full and new computer instead. Or if I find memory modules, they do not work in that machine. Knowing that, when I choose a new computer, I populate as much ram as I can afford to buy. I prefer a slower and cheaper CPU with as much ram as possible.
Oh, another thing which will require more RAM and that is if your video card uses RAM for itself. I believe that video cards even with 2GB onboard still use some RAM but little and not as much as those who - what is the term, 'share'? - RAM.
Yes, that's common in laptops. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlKEBoAACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UxaACaAuJIcceZ84ohho11c+8tCuBe wH0AoImvL0Zh39Sgw7Do+H4b4k6JgzDC =69Hq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 30. Oktober 2013, 11:11:20 schrieb Basil Chupin:
(Tip-toeing thru a minefield when trying to decide which laptop to buy is not much fun :-( .)
http://www.thinkwiki.org/ helped me a lot. See the installation instructions for openSUSE.
What hidden reefs am I going to strike if I buy a laptop, to install openSUSE (13.1- and beyond), which has for its graphics something called 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology'? [...]
The most important question is: Can you disable Optimus in the BIOS in order to enable the Internal graphics card? Then, there should be no problem with 13.1. HTH Jan -- He who pays the piper calls the tune. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/10/13 17:13, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 30. Oktober 2013, 11:11:20 schrieb Basil Chupin:
(Tip-toeing thru a minefield when trying to decide which laptop to buy is not much fun :-( .) http://www.thinkwiki.org/ helped me a lot. See the installation instructions for openSUSE.
A MOST useful URL! Thanks for pointing it out. The advice there seems to be a bit dated - or hasn't yet caught up with events - as there are no instructions on how to install openSUSE on the T530 which is the one I am now most interested in. But I guess what was done in the T510 and T520 should also be applicable.
What hidden reefs am I going to strike if I buy a laptop, to install openSUSE (13.1- and beyond), which has for its graphics something called 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology'? [...] The most important question is: Can you disable Optimus in the BIOS in order to enable the Internal graphics card? Then, there should be no problem with 13.1.
HTH Jan
Now here is the rub, isn't it? :-) . I will ring Lenovo shortly and talk to their tech department about this. I suspect that one could switch off Optimus in the BIOS but I had better make sure. (On the othe hand, if there is work being done according to Cristian re Optimus then I can get the unit and use it with Win #8 while the Optimus question has been resolved.) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Čt 31. října 2013 03:15:45, Basil Chupin napsal(a):
On 30/10/13 17:13, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 30. Oktober 2013, 11:11:20 schrieb Basil Chupin: [...] Now here is the rub, isn't it? :-) . I will ring Lenovo shortly and talk to their tech department about this. I suspect that one could switch off Optimus in the BIOS but I had better make sure.
Some BIOSes have possibility to switch it, some (like mine from HP) don't...
(On the othe hand, if there is work being done according to Cristian re Optimus then I can get the unit and use it with Win #8 while the Optimus question has been resolved.)
W8? Good luck! :-D
BC
All the best, Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
On 31/10/13 19:29, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne Čt 31. října 2013 03:15:45, Basil Chupin napsal(a):
On 30/10/13 17:13, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 30. Oktober 2013, 11:11:20 schrieb Basil Chupin: [...] Now here is the rub, isn't it? :-) . I will ring Lenovo shortly and talk to their tech department about this. I suspect that one could switch off Optimus in the BIOS but I had better make sure. Some BIOSes have possibility to switch it, some (like mine from HP) don't...
See my post sent a few seconds ago. I can switch off this feature in the BIOS of the Lenovo.
(On the othe hand, if there is work being done according to Cristian re Optimus then I can get the unit and use it with Win #8 while the Optimus question has been resolved.) W8? Good luck! :-D
I cannot have it replaced it with any Linux distro - even though Lenovo DO ship some laptops with a Linux distro "of your choice". However, the upgrade to W 8.1 from W 8 is a freebie so I will do that. (The computer I ordered for my wife at the beginning of this year came with W 7 pre-installed, and it is still there. But it is never used. OK, I tell a lie - it was used a few times to update the files on a satnav unit I bought but that's all. And on this Lenovo I just ordered W8 can sit there rotting away while I have my oS 13.1 installed and used daily :-) .) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 31. Oktober 2013, 03:15:45 schrieb Basil Chupin:
On 30/10/13 17:13, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote: [...] A MOST useful URL! Thanks for pointing it out.
You are welcome. Feel free to add your experience with your new T530 and openSUSE, too.
The advice there seems to be a bit dated - or hasn't yet caught up with events - as there are no instructions on how to install openSUSE on the T530 which is the one I am now most interested in.
Well, I have written openSUSE ThinkPad installation instructions there since 2007. Nowadays, there simply is not much to write anymore! Most things just work.
But I guess what was done in the T510 and T520 should also be applicable.
Have a look at my T430s openSUSE installation instruction there. It should be even more applicable.
[...]
The most important question is: Can you disable Optimus in the BIOS in order to enable the Internal graphics card? Then, there should be no problem with 13.1. [...] Now here is the rub, isn't it? :-) . I will ring Lenovo shortly and talk to their tech department about this. I suspect that one could switch off Optimus in the BIOS but I had better make sure.
My T430s can. So I expected you could disable Optimus on your T530, too.
(On the othe hand, if there is work being done according to Cristian re Optimus then I can get the unit and use it with Win #8 while the Optimus question has been resolved.)
I simply do not need it. I always disable these external graphics cards *before* installation. However, if you want to use the HDMI or DVI connectors, you might have to enable the discrete NVidia card! Gruß Jan -- There is no heavier burden than a great potential. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/11/13 04:51, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 31. Oktober 2013, 03:15:45 schrieb Basil Chupin: >> On 30/10/13 17:13, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote: >> [...] >> A MOST useful URL! Thanks for pointing it out. > You are welcome. Feel free to add your experience with your new T530 and > openSUSE, too. > >> The advice there seems to be a bit dated - or hasn't yet caught up with >> events - as there are no instructions on how to install openSUSE on the >> T530 which is the one I am now most interested in. > Well, I have written openSUSE ThinkPad installation instructions there since > 2007. Nowadays, there simply is not much to write anymore! Most things just > work. > >> But I guess what was >> done in the T510 and T520 should also be applicable. > Have a look at my T430s openSUSE installation instruction there. It should > be even more applicable. > >> [...] >>> The most important question is: Can you disable Optimus in the BIOS in >>> order to enable the Internal graphics card? Then, there should be no >>> problem with 13.1. >> [...] >> Now here is the rub, isn't it? :-) . I will ring Lenovo shortly and talk >> to their tech department about this. I suspect that one could switch off >> Optimus in the BIOS but I had better make sure. > My T430s can. So I expected you could disable Optimus on your T530, too. > >> (On the othe hand, if there is work being done according to Cristian re >> Optimus then I can get the unit and use it with Win #8 while the Optimus >> question has been resolved.) > I simply do not need it. I always disable these external graphics cards > *before* installation. However, if you want to use the HDMI or DVI > connectors, you might have to enable the discrete NVidia card! > > Gru� > Jan Very sorry for not responding to your messages before this :-( - I just remembered about it. Thanks for the above. I have just read the brief instructions about installing oS and will now read in greater detail all other articles. Last night I downloaded the User's manual for the T530 and started reading it a short time ago. It ain't a desktop in a mini-box, is it? :-( Many things to get used to at the start. (The unit is being delivered next week.) One thing which is of particular concern to me is that it comes with Windows 8 pre-installed. Seeing as how I am paying for it whether I like it or not I was thinking of keeping it and doing the freebie upgrade to W8.1. But I read this earlier today and now I have severe doubts if I will allow this parasitic monster to reside on the Lenovo's HDD: http://www.infoworld.com/slideshow/127158/the-hidden-fangs-of-windows-81-and-how-avoid-them-230183#slide1 BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
One thing which is of particular concern to me is that it comes with Windows 8 pre-installed. Seeing as how I am paying for it whether I like it or not I was thinking of keeping it and doing the freebie upgrade to W8.1. But I read this earlier today and now I have severe doubts if I will allow this parasitic monster to reside on the Lenovo's HDD:
http://www.infoworld.com/slideshow/127158/the-hidden-fangs-of-windows-81-and...
Hmmm interesting. The first two things in that article sound like I was reading about Ubuntu (Smart Scopes and Smart Search sound almost identical, and the MS login account and Ubuntu One are remarkably similar). C. -- openSUSE 12.3 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/11/13 16:40, C wrote:
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
One thing which is of particular concern to me is that it comes with Windows 8 pre-installed. Seeing as how I am paying for it whether I like it or not I was thinking of keeping it and doing the freebie upgrade to W8.1. But I read this earlier today and now I have severe doubts if I will allow this parasitic monster to reside on the Lenovo's HDD:
http://www.infoworld.com/slideshow/127158/the-hidden-fangs-of-windows-81-and... Hmmm interesting. The first two things in that article sound like I was reading about Ubuntu (Smart Scopes and Smart Search sound almost identical, and the MS login account and Ubuntu One are remarkably similar).
Aaaah, so THAT is what all the fuss is about! There's a thread in Ubuntu - "Stop it!" - which came about after someone posted something in a totally different list. Naturally moi had to join in - and ended up being moderated! :-D . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 12. November 2013, 16:26:51 schrieb Basil Chupin:
[...] Thanks for the above. I have just read the brief instructions about installing oS and will now read in greater detail all other articles.
Last night I downloaded the User's manual for the T530 and started reading it a short time ago. It ain't a desktop in a mini-box, is it?
Isn't most of this windows-specific in there? Read the Hardware Maintenance Manual for more fun.
:-( Many things to get used to at the start. (The unit is being delivered next week.)
Next week... then you can install oS 13.1. :)
One thing which is of particular concern to me is that it comes with Windows 8 pre-installed. Seeing as how I am paying for it whether I like it or not I was thinking of keeping it and doing the freebie upgrade to W8.1.
Okay. Maybe this is good enough for you: * Create a usb recovery drive (16GB IIRC) so that you can restore the state you bought it, e.g., to send it back or sell it later: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/create-usb-recovery-drive * Download the Windows 8.1 ISO with the generic key, for detailed instructions use Google * Delete everything from the HDD when installing openSUSE * Get VirtualBox from their website and install a clean Windows 8 from the ISO there, you might have to use a generic key again and the key for activation is in here: /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/MSDM However, I never tried this with Windows 8. Before it, the key was printed on a label on the bottom of the laptop.
But I read this earlier today and now I have severe doubts if I will allow this parasitic monster to reside on the Lenovo's HDD: [...]
That still holds true for an virtual installation! Gruß Jan -- Apathy is the worlds fastest growing disease. But who cares? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/11/13 23:23, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote:
Am Dienstag, 12. November 2013, 16:26:51 schrieb Basil Chupin:
[...] Thanks for the above. I have just read the brief instructions about installing oS and will now read in greater detail all other articles.
Last night I downloaded the User's manual for the T530 and started reading it a short time ago. It ain't a desktop in a mini-box, is it? Isn't most of this windows-specific in there? Read the Hardware Maintenance Manual for more fun.
I started to read it last night and I see what you mean! :-D I now know one thing: I will not be replacing any FRU-FRUs any time soon! :-D
:-( Many things to get used to at the start. (The unit is being delivered next week.) Next week... then you can install oS 13.1. :)
I have a very good feeling and getting good vibes about this laptop. Today I received the mouse for it which I ordered and this mouse was despatched last week from Hong Kong and went to Fiji for some reason before finally arriving at my door this afternoon. But the laptop was despatched today from....... the city of my birth, Shanghai! :-) . If a little mice can travel to Fiji before coming to my house, I expect the laptop to at least travel to Hawaii before arriving at my front door :-) . (I really don't know how Lenovo do it! The mice is worth $23 (to me) and it travelled by air from HK to Fiji then to Sydney and finally by road transport to me - at no cost except for the cost of the mice. I order something from a computer shop 300km away and it costs me between $13 to $25 just to have it delivered. And the damn mice travels on an aeroplane from HK.......?! I think that there is gold in them there laptops, that's what I think! :-) .)
One thing which is of particular concern to me is that it comes with Windows 8 pre-installed. Seeing as how I am paying for it whether I like it or not I was thinking of keeping it and doing the freebie upgrade to W8.1. Okay. Maybe this is good enough for you: * Create a usb recovery drive (16GB IIRC) so that you can restore the state you bought it, e.g., to send it back or sell it later: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/create-usb-recovery-drive * Download the Windows 8.1 ISO with the generic key, for detailed instructions use Google * Delete everything from the HDD when installing openSUSE * Get VirtualBox from their website and install a clean Windows 8 from the ISO there, you might have to use a generic key again and the key for activation is in here: /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/MSDM
Many thanks for this valuable info. I have had a quick read and don't quite match what you say above and what is in that URL but I'll work it out. I'm not so sure that I want to download the iso for 8.1 but will want to create the recovery USB which will install 8.1 - if what I have read is what I think I read, if you see what I mean. And for the purpose of creating such a USB recovery 'disc' I just bought an 8GB USB stick as I cannot see how any installation source which is contained on a 'normal' DVD can take up more space than 8GB (in compressed files).
However, I never tried this with Windows 8. Before it, the key was printed on a label on the bottom of the laptop.
I'll look for this when I get the laptop, but the Manual doesn't specifically mention this but does mention the serial number of the unit, the model number - the usual stuff.
But I read this earlier today and now I have severe doubts if I will allow this parasitic monster to reside on the Lenovo's HDD: [...] That still holds true for an virtual installation!
Yep, this I suspected because this is the normal advice I give to people who want to use Virtual-anything and install anything-MS: you need virus scanners and all the other 3rd party industry - which MS generated - apps and which relies on MS for its continual survival. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 13. November 2013, 16:57:05 schrieb Basil Chupin:
On 12/11/13 23:23, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote: [...]
Isn't most of this windows-specific in there? Read the Hardware Maintenance Manual for more fun.
I started to read it last night and I see what you mean! :-D
:)
I now know one thing: I will not be replacing any FRU-FRUs any time soon! :-D
I have to replace the TrackPoint cap frequently. ;) And, if needed in a few years, replacing memory or harddisk is not much harder. The Hardware Maintenance Manual is excellent.
[...] (I really don't know how Lenovo do it! The mice is worth $23 (to me) and it travelled by air from HK to Fiji then to Sydney and finally by road transport to me - at no cost except for the cost of the mice. I order something from a computer shop 300km away and it costs me between $13 to $25 just to have it delivered. And the damn mice travels on an aeroplane from HK.......?!
The poor little thing! I hope it did not travel alone but had some company of many other mice. And, thus, the costs are lower for each individual.
[...] Many thanks for this valuable info. I have had a quick read and don't quite match what you say above and what is in that URL but I'll work it out.
The link is for the usb recovery drive creation only.
I'm not so sure that I want to download the iso for 8.1 but will want to create the recovery USB which will install 8.1 - if what I have read is what I think I read, if you see what I mean.
The recovery drive will restore the original state of your system. That is, first, exactly on that hardware only and, second, including all pre- installed software! Thus, you cannot use the recovery drive to install it in a virtual machine because there is only a virtual BIOS without the key and the drivers do not match.
And for the purpose of creating such a USB recovery 'disc' I just bought an 8GB USB stick as I cannot see how any installation source which is contained on a 'normal' DVD can take up more space than 8GB (in compressed files).
See above. The recovery disc is not a normal installation medium and, thus, needs more space. Because of this, I advised to download the Windows ISO. It can be used to install a clean and fresh Windows without all this pre- installed software (that would be IMHO totally useless in a virtual machine, BTW).
[...]
But I read this earlier today and now I have severe doubts if I will allow this parasitic monster to reside on the Lenovo's HDD: [...] That still holds true for an virtual installation!
Yep, this I suspected because this is the normal advice I give to people who want to use Virtual-anything and install anything-MS: you need virus scanners and all the other 3rd party industry - which MS generated - apps and which relies on MS for its continual survival.
If you only use the internet to update windows or software you bought, then you could live without a 3rd party virus scanner. But if you start to use your virtual windows to view any PDF, you should better have a virus scanner installed. :-/ Gruß Jan -- I don't know, I don't care and it doesn't make any difference. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2013-10-31 at 03:15 -0000, Basil Chupin wrote:
Now here is the rub, isn't it? :-) . I will ring Lenovo shortly and talk to their tech department about this. I suspect that one could switch off Optimus in the BIOS but I had better make sure.
The feature has been removed from the Optimus specification. Modern bios should not have this switch. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJ9ICcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9X2DQCgljDGBZA5rskTw+LgXQ0UoeU6 svwAn2fV5TnJkt4sRiaAuWhI4eyyCGih =MJ6z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/11/13 04:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Thursday, 2013-10-31 at 03:15 -0000, Basil Chupin wrote:
Now here is the rub, isn't it? :-) . I will ring Lenovo shortly and talk to their tech department about this. I suspect that one could switch off Optimus in the BIOS but I had better make sure.
The feature has been removed from the Optimus specification. Modern bios should not have this switch.
Define "modern bios" :-) . Isn't it true that there is no longer a "bios" but something else and all to do with "secure booting" (UEFI) or something? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2013-11-11 at 16:19 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 09/11/13 04:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The feature has been removed from the Optimus specification. Modern bios should not have this switch.
Define "modern bios" :-) .
Anything made this year, for instance.
Isn't it true that there is no longer a "bios" but something else and all to do with "secure booting" (UEFI) or something?
Yes, that's correct. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlKChFoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WdEACZATdv4VOylueVatlW5S341+XJ 8igAn36AbFXG6lJ3h2UDT4flKV6FhfF0 =L52f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 13/11/13 06:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Monday, 2013-11-11 at 16:19 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 09/11/13 04:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The feature has been removed from the Optimus specification. Modern bios should not have this switch.
Define "modern bios" :-) .
Anything made this year, for instance.
Isn't it true that there is no longer a "bios" but something else and all to do with "secure booting" (UEFI) or something?
Yes, that's correct.
Ah, so I had better look closely at what this laptop I am getting contains. As well as keeping track of the Bumblebee project. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 30/10/13 08:11, Basil Chupin escribió: t updated for free to 8.1 of course :-) .)
Anybody, please, have an answer to, comment on, the above question?
Optimus technology is not supported by nouveau.. in current kernels (3.12rc..) the nvidia device will be turned off automatically if it is not the driving GPU of the system. Power managment of Nvidia cards also does not work yet. All this may change in the future.. as nvidia seems to be willing to cooperate with driver developers now. -- "Any real systematist (or scientist in general) has to be ready to heave all that he or she has believed in, consider it crap, and move on, in the face of new evidence. That is how we differ from clerics." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/10/13 17:25, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 30/10/13 08:11, Basil Chupin escribió: t updated for free to 8.1 of course :-) .)
Anybody, please, have an answer to, comment on, the above question?
Optimus technology is not supported by nouveau.. in current kernels (3.12rc..) the nvidia device will be turned off automatically if it is not the driving GPU of the system. What do you mean by this? Do you mean that I won't have any decent video when the kernel switches off "the nvidia device" or that the Optimus
Thanks for this info. part will be switched off and the only thing which will be lost is the powersaving provided by Optimus?
Power managment of Nvidia cards also does not work yet.
All this may change in the future.. as nvidia seems to be willing to cooperate with driver developers now.
OK, that's fine with me, so to speak :-) , but the real question is: will I still have working nVidia graphics and be able to have 1920x1080 resolution and not something which resembles EGA graphics? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 31/10/13 00:21, Basil Chupin escribió:
What do you mean by this? Do you mean that I won't have any decent video when the kernel switches off "the nvidia device" or that the Optimus part will be switched off and the only thing which will be lost is the powersaving provided by Optimus?
The NVIDIA device is usually wired through the Integrated GPU, when your system is not using the nvidia chip as the primary video output (usually can be configured in the BIOS) then the integrated graphics will drive the display.. the kernel then (version 3.12 only!) will do powersaving, otherwise your battery life will be beyond awful and the machine will make a lot of fan noise.
will I still have working nVidia graphics and be able to have 1920x1080 resolution and not something which resembles EGA graphics?
Yes, video will work with the appropiate resolution and all of that.. but you may not be able to actually use the nvidia device without third party hacks, depending on how your system is internally wired or what level of control your BIOS offers. -- "Judging by their response, the meanest thing you can do to people on the Internet is to give them really good software for free". - Anil Dash -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/11/13 04:50, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 31/10/13 00:21, Basil Chupin escribió:
What do you mean by this? Do you mean that I won't have any decent video when the kernel switches off "the nvidia device" or that the Optimus part will be switched off and the only thing which will be lost is the powersaving provided by Optimus?
The NVIDIA device is usually wired through the Integrated GPU, when your system is not using the nvidia chip as the primary video output (usually can be configured in the BIOS) then the integrated graphics will drive the display.. the kernel then (version 3.12 only!) will do powersaving, otherwise your battery life will be beyond awful and the machine will make a lot of fan noise.
will I still have working nVidia graphics and be able to have 1920x1080 resolution and not something which resembles EGA graphics?
Yes, video will work with the appropiate resolution and all of that.. but you may not be able to actually use the nvidia device without third party hacks, depending on how your system is internally wired or what level of control your BIOS offers.
Thanks for this, Cristian, and sorry for not replying earlier. I will ensure that I have kernel 3.12.x installed when I get the laptop. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/10/13 22:11, Basil Chupin wrote:
(Tip-toeing thru a minefield when trying to decide which laptop to buy is not much fun :-( .)
What hidden reefs am I going to strike if I buy a laptop, to install openSUSE (13.1- and beyond), which has for its graphics something called 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology'?
Will I be able to install oS on such a beast and get at least some fuzzy picture on the screen or not? (The laptop will come with Windows #8 pre-installed and which I will immediately consign to the latrine - after having it updated for free to 8.1 of course :-) .)
Anybody, please, have an answer to, comment on, the above question?
BC
Well, the part about Optimus is still under development in the Bumblebee project but it is solved with respect to the laptop which I have ordered. I have ordered the Lenovo T530 laptop (with the i7 cpu) and I found out (by phoning Lenovo) that- (1) I can switch off UEFI in the BIOS; and (2) switch off Optimus feature (in the BIOS) for the graphics chip. So, whoever is working on the Bumblebee Project, please hurry up and get Bumblebee fully operational, OK? :-) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
I have ordered the Lenovo T530 laptop (with the i7 cpu)
I've been using Lenovo laptops as work computers for several years. I've found them to be really robust/durable... they stand up to all sorts of abuse. Never had any issues with Linux on the T410 and T430. Basically, as a work laptop, they do the job quite well. C. -- openSUSE 12.3 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 31/10/13 09:33, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 30/10/13 22:11, Basil Chupin wrote:
(Tip-toeing thru a minefield when trying to decide which laptop to buy is not much fun :-( .)
What hidden reefs am I going to strike if I buy a laptop, to install openSUSE (13.1- and beyond), which has for its graphics something called 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology'?
Will I be able to install oS on such a beast and get at least some fuzzy picture on the screen or not? (The laptop will come with Windows #8 pre-installed and which I will immediately consign to the latrine - after having it updated for free to 8.1 of course :-) .)
Anybody, please, have an answer to, comment on, the above question?
BC
Well, the part about Optimus is still under development in the Bumblebee project but it is solved with respect to the laptop which I have ordered.
I have ordered the Lenovo T530 laptop (with the i7 cpu) and I found out (by phoning Lenovo) that-
(1) I can switch off UEFI in the BIOS; and
(2) switch off Optimus feature (in the BIOS) for the graphics chip.
So, whoever is working on the Bumblebee Project, please hurry up and get Bumblebee fully operational, OK? :-)
BC
Sounds like you may want to update to the 3.12 kernel once you get the device running on openSUSE 13.1: http://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/1pwduo/the_kernel_is_dead_l... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/11/13 23:52, Peter wrote:
On 31/10/13 09:33, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 30/10/13 22:11, Basil Chupin wrote:
(Tip-toeing thru a minefield when trying to decide which laptop to buy is not much fun :-( .)
What hidden reefs am I going to strike if I buy a laptop, to install openSUSE (13.1- and beyond), which has for its graphics something called 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology'?
Will I be able to install oS on such a beast and get at least some fuzzy picture on the screen or not? (The laptop will come with Windows #8 pre-installed and which I will immediately consign to the latrine - after having it updated for free to 8.1 of course :-) .)
Anybody, please, have an answer to, comment on, the above question?
BC
Well, the part about Optimus is still under development in the Bumblebee project but it is solved with respect to the laptop which I have ordered.
I have ordered the Lenovo T530 laptop (with the i7 cpu) and I found out (by phoning Lenovo) that-
(1) I can switch off UEFI in the BIOS; and
(2) switch off Optimus feature (in the BIOS) for the graphics chip.
So, whoever is working on the Bumblebee Project, please hurry up and get Bumblebee fully operational, OK? :-)
BC
Sounds like you may want to update to the 3.12 kernel once you get the device running on openSUSE 13.1: http://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/1pwduo/the_kernel_is_dead_l...
Aaah, now this sounds most interesting - and thanks for posting this. 3.12 kernel is in the HEAD repo, eh? I am using /stable/standard/ so will switch over to HEAD shortly to get 3.12. BUT wait a second :-( . I finally received today the info to be able to patch the 3.11.6-3 kernel to be able to compile the latest nVidia driver (319.60) so what will happen with the 3.12 kernel? I certainly don't want to get stuck with the nouveau driver :-( . Do you know if any patches are required to make the nVidia drivers compile? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/30/2013 12:11 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
(Tip-toeing thru a minefield when trying to decide which laptop to buy is not much fun :-( .)
What hidden reefs am I going to strike if I buy a laptop, to install openSUSE (13.1- and beyond), which has for its graphics something called 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology'?
Will I be able to install oS on such a beast and get at least some fuzzy picture on the screen or not? (The laptop will come with Windows #8 pre-installed and which I will immediately consign to the latrine - after having it updated for free to 8.1 of course :-) .)
Anybody, please, have an answer to, comment on, the above question?
BC
One thing you might consider: With Intel graphics you cannot connect 2 monitors - or i could not get it working. For me this is a common use when working at the dockstation, and since bumblebee did not work well, i use the nvidia card all the time - running on battery is no fun.
Dne St 6. listopadu 2013 23:41:46, Florian Gleixner napsal(a):
On 10/30/2013 12:11 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
(Tip-toeing thru a minefield when trying to decide which laptop to buy is not much fun :-( .)
What hidden reefs am I going to strike if I buy a laptop, to install openSUSE (13.1- and beyond), which has for its graphics something called 'NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology'?
Will I be able to install oS on such a beast and get at least some fuzzy picture on the screen or not? (The laptop will come with Windows #8 pre-installed and which I will immediately consign to the latrine - after having it updated for free to 8.1 of course :-) .)
Anybody, please, have an answer to, comment on, the above question?
BC
One thing you might consider: With Intel graphics you cannot connect 2 monitors - or i could not get it working. For me this is a common use when working at the dockstation, and since bumblebee did not work well, i use the nvidia card all the time - running on battery is no fun.
No, I use two monitors every day (second monitor connected to notebook) and it works perfectly with Intel. I have been doing it with several notebooks, Intel cards and versions of openSUSE with KDE4. No problem. All the best, Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
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