Sending email via SMTP that is not current dial-up ISP
I've installed SuSE 8.2 on my laptop and would like to be able to send email via my hometown ISP's SMTP server.I've got an AT&T dialup which I'll be using as my ISP when travelling. This always worked for me before when using a Microsoft OS and Outlook. Currently when I dial into AT&T, there is no problems getting messages from my hometown providers POP server, but if I try to send, nothing happens until I get the message "Error while performing operation: Could not connect to mail.kpunet.net (port 25):Connection timed out." I'm using Ximian 1.2 and kppp as the dialup application. I've tried a variety of SMTP login configurations, (POP before SMTP, Login and Plain) with no sucess. Any suggestions?? Thanks.
On Saturday 03 April 2004 07:54, Glenn wrote:
I've installed SuSE 8.2 on my laptop and would like to be able to send email via my hometown ISP's SMTP server.I've got an AT&T dialup which I'll be using as my ISP when travelling.
This always worked for me before when using a Microsoft OS and Outlook.
Currently when I dial into AT&T, there is no problems getting messages from my hometown providers POP server, but if I try to send, nothing happens until I get the message "Error while performing operation: Could not connect to mail.kpunet.net (port 25):Connection timed out."
I'm using Ximian 1.2 and kppp as the dialup application.
I've tried a variety of SMTP login configurations, (POP before SMTP, Login and Plain) with no sucess.
Any suggestions??
Thanks.
This is not unusual. Most ISPs won't allow someone not on their network to send mail thu them unless its to one of their cutomers. You have to make another network in Kmail that has the outgoing smtp server set up to go thru ATT's smtp server. But, you are running linux, not windows. Why don't you just install sendmail or postfix that came with SuSE and let your computer be it's own mail transport agent?? That's the way Linux was supposed to work. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Saturday 03 April 2004 13:16, John Andersen wrote:
On Saturday 03 April 2004 07:54, Glenn wrote:
I've installed SuSE 8.2 on my laptop and would like to be able to send email via my hometown ISP's SMTP server.I've got an AT&T dialup which I'll be using as my ISP when travelling.
This always worked for me before when using a Microsoft OS and Outlook.
Currently when I dial into AT&T, there is no problems getting messages from my hometown providers POP server, but if I try to send, nothing happens until I get the message "Error while performing operation: Could not connect to mail.kpunet.net (port 25):Connection timed out."
I'm using Ximian 1.2 and kppp as the dialup application.
I've tried a variety of SMTP login configurations, (POP before SMTP, Login and Plain) with no sucess.
Any suggestions??
Thanks.
This is not unusual. Most ISPs won't allow someone not on their network to send mail thu them unless its to one of their cutomers.
You have to make another network in Kmail that has the outgoing smtp server set up to go thru ATT's smtp server.
But, you are running linux, not windows. Why don't you just install sendmail or postfix that came with SuSE and let your computer be it's own mail transport agent?? That's the way Linux was supposed to work.
That wouldn't work if you are trying to email certain ISPs (such as AOL) that block "dynamic IP ranges" of plenty of ISPs from sending mail direct to their customers.
On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 04:42:07PM -0500 or thereabouts, user86 wrote:
On Saturday 03 April 2004 13:16, John Andersen wrote:
On Saturday 03 April 2004 07:54, Glenn wrote:
I've installed SuSE 8.2 on my laptop and would like to be able to send email via my hometown ISP's SMTP server.I've got an AT&T dialup which I'll be using as my ISP when travelling.
happens until I get the message "Error while performing operation: Could not connect to mail.kpunet.net (port 25):Connection timed out."
I've tried a variety of SMTP login configurations, (POP before SMTP, Login and Plain) with no sucess.
This is not unusual. Most ISPs won't allow someone not on their network to send mail thu them unless its to one of their cutomers.
You have to make another network in Kmail that has the outgoing smtp server set up to go thru ATT's smtp server.
But, you are running linux, not windows. Why don't you just install sendmail or postfix that came with SuSE and let your computer be it's own mail transport agent?? That's the way Linux was supposed to work.
That wouldn't work if you are trying to email certain ISPs (such as AOL) that block "dynamic IP ranges" of plenty of ISPs from sending mail direct to their customers.
yes it does work if you set your MTA, eg, postfix, sendmail, or qmail to relay through his ISP's SMTP for those specific domains such as aol.com, otherwise use his standard MTA to send for those not listed... this is done in the smtp routing file of MTAs. -- Gary Your E-Mail has been returned due to insufficient voltage
On Saturday 03 April 2004 15:58, Gary wrote:
That wouldn't work if you are trying to email certain ISPs (such as AOL) that block "dynamic IP ranges" of plenty of ISPs from sending mail direct to their customers.
yes it does work if you set your MTA, eg, postfix, sendmail, or qmail to relay through his ISP's SMTP for those specific domains such as aol.com, otherwise use his standard MTA to send for those not listed... this is done in the smtp routing file of MTAs.
It still wouldn't work in this case, as AT&T blocks outbound tcp/25. Regardless, the number of mail systems accepting connections from dynamic IPs is quickly shrinking (the system I admin, for one; using the SORBS dynamic IP blocklist alone has cut the incoming flow of spam and viruses to my system by about 70%). -- Homepage http://scott.exti.net XFce desktop environment http://www.xfce.org Goodies for the XFce desktop http://xfce-goodies.berlios.de GPG public key ID: 811B00AB
On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 10:52:27PM -0600 or thereabouts, Scott Jones wrote:
On Saturday 03 April 2004 15:58, Gary wrote:
That wouldn't work if you are trying to email certain ISPs (such as AOL) that block "dynamic IP ranges" of plenty of ISPs from sending mail direct to their customers.
yes it does work if you set your MTA, eg, postfix, sendmail, or qmail to relay through his ISP's SMTP for those specific domains such as aol.com, otherwise use his standard MTA to send for those not listed... this is done in the smtp routing file of MTAs.
It still wouldn't work in this case, as AT&T blocks outbound tcp/25.
agreed, the point is moot in this case, but the above may apply to others whom do not use a dialup, and may still be blocked by AOL, etc unless going through their ISP SMTP server.
Regardless, the number of mail systems accepting connections from dynamic IPs is quickly shrinking (the system I admin, for one; using
yes, very true.
the SORBS dynamic IP blocklist alone has cut the incoming flow of spam and viruses to my system by about 70%).
I currently block several dialup IP blocks in my own RBL, as well as those servers I manage, but have not tried SORBS... will check that out.. -- Gary
The Saturday 2004-04-03 at 23:23 -0600, Gary wrote:
dynamic IPs is quickly shrinking (the system I admin, for one; using
yes, very true.
the SORBS dynamic IP blocklist alone has cut the incoming flow of spam and viruses to my system by about 70%).
I currently block several dialup IP blocks in my own RBL, as well as those servers I manage, but have not tried SORBS... will check that out..
But that means that you both are blocking me, for example. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Saturday 03 April 2004 10:54, Glenn wrote:
Currently when I dial into AT&T, there is no problems getting messages from my hometown providers POP server, but if I try to send, nothing happens until I get the message "Error while performing operation: Could not connect to mail.kpunet.net (port 25):Connection timed out."
AT&T blocks outbound port 25, which means you can send mail out only through their SMTP server when dialed up with them (and yes, this is a good thing, despite the inconvenience). I don't know about Evolution, but with KMail, you can change your outgoing server on the fly by setting up multiple SMTP servers and identities. Barring that, you would need to change it manually, depending on who you are using for dialup at the time. -- Homepage http://scott.exti.net XFce desktop environment http://www.xfce.org Goodies for the XFce desktop http://xfce-goodies.berlios.de GPG public key ID: 811B00AB
Thanks for all of the advice and suggestions regarding this. The problem was that I'd wanted to be able to sent SMTP mail via a specific server (while travelling) that was not my current ("on the road") ISP. I've solved this problem by creating another mail profile in Evolution that uses both the AT&T SMTP and POP servers, however email sent from this account has my hometown SMTP as the reply address. Given that I can check my hometown POP sever from AT&T, this method should work allowing me to send and receive from my hometown server without having to actually use the AT&T email address.If the recipient of one of these ("spoofed"??) messages replies to it, their response is sent not to the originating AT&T email account, but to the one on my hometown KPU.net ISP. I know, it's not elegant, but it'll work... Thanks again for the responses. On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 20:34, Scott Jones wrote:
On Saturday 03 April 2004 10:54, Glenn wrote:
Currently when I dial into AT&T, there is no problems getting messages from my hometown providers POP server, but if I try to send, nothing happens until I get the message "Error while performing operation: Could not connect to mail.kpunet.net (port 25):Connection timed out."
AT&T blocks outbound port 25, which means you can send mail out only through their SMTP server when dialed up with them (and yes, this is a good thing, despite the inconvenience).
I don't know about Evolution, but with KMail, you can change your outgoing server on the fly by setting up multiple SMTP servers and identities. Barring that, you would need to change it manually, depending on who you are using for dialup at the time.
-- Homepage http://scott.exti.net XFce desktop environment http://www.xfce.org Goodies for the XFce desktop http://xfce-goodies.berlios.de GPG public key ID: 811B00AB
I have several pop3 emails on evolution working fine. Only hotpop cant use its own smtp so I switched it to another one and that works. CWSIV On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 20:34, Scott Jones wrote: <SNIP>
I don't know about Evolution, but with KMail, you can change your outgoing server on the fly by setting up multiple SMTP servers and identities. Barring that, you would need to change it manually, depending on who you are using for dialup at the time.
-- Homepage http://scott.exti.net XFce desktop environment http://www.xfce.org Goodies for the XFce desktop http://xfce-goodies.berlios.de GPG public key ID: 811B00AB
I do this with hotpop whose smtp is unreliable. I use hotpop for an
extra address and the smtp from another address all while dialing up via
the primary whose mail itself is sometimes unreliable.
Hacking does not have to be elegant it has to work. Its also fun to make
the unconventional idea work.
Try that in Redmond Washington. :)
CWSIV
On 04 Apr 2004 11:20:11 -0700 Glenn
Thanks for all of the advice and suggestions regarding this.
The problem was that I'd wanted to be able to sent SMTP mail via a specific server (while travelling) that was not my current ("on the road") ISP.
I've solved this problem by creating another mail profile in Evolution that uses both the AT&T SMTP and POP servers, however email sent from this account has my hometown SMTP as the reply address. Given that I can check my hometown POP sever from AT&T, this method should work allowing me to send and receive from my hometown server without having to actually use the AT&T email address.If the recipient of one of these ("spoofed"??) messages replies to it, their response is sent not to the originating AT&T email account, but to the one on my hometown KPU.net ISP.
I know, it's not elegant, but it'll work...
Thanks again for the responses.
On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 20:34, Scott Jones wrote:
On Saturday 03 April 2004 10:54, Glenn wrote:
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